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RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Berrod Armstrong - 10-15-2014
Not at all disappointed, just giving feedback! Good luck with the character, and have fun!
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Warren Castille - 10-15-2014
(10-15-2014, 12:09 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: Regardless, should people feel disappointed about how I want this character to go, I am sorry but I am pretty convinced of making a character like this since I am not sure if anyone thought of pulling this ludicrous stunt... Yet
There might be a reason for that. All the same, best of luck with your new concept. You're right that no one would technically know without being told (barring the third eye), and you'll be fairly well insulated since as an alt, she'll never see Anelia in person.
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Unnamed Mercenary - 10-15-2014
(10-15-2014, 11:42 AM)Kage Wrote:(10-15-2014, 11:35 AM)Coatleque Wrote:Truth. In Roen's case she was essentially raised as a Garlean. Until she learned she was adopted she -was- Garlean true and through. Loyalty suspect. Kage would be the first to cry crap if Franz ever became close to being a Sultansworn >.>;(10-15-2014, 11:28 AM)Kage Wrote: when they have not just a Garlean *cough*Roen*cough* serve unknown.
You also need to distinguish race from nationality. Â There are two types of Garleans.
Roen is a natural born Ala'Mhigan, adopted by Garleans if I'm not mistaken.
Coatleque is a full-blooded highlander, but was "nationally" Garlean simply because she was born just after the territory changed hands.
Franz, on the other hand, is a full-blooded Garlean with the 3rd eye and everything.
The thing is, the character would essentially need to be like Roen before even becoming an initiate. Inconspicuous in terms of where she came from. True origins. No one knows her heritage. Proven herself. I don't see how anyone would let her in close at all if she was known to be Garlean like Franz.
I think Franz is a bit of a special case here. I mean, he very blatantly doesn't deny being Garlean if someone calls him out on it for the most part. (Granted, most of the people who did he didn't perceive as threats.) Aside fro mthat, I do pretty much have an Easter basket of hidden eggs to pull out on occasion should he need either a quick escape, have something go wrong, or explain away some off quirk.Â
THe importatn distinction would be Crofte's point, and how the character identifies herself in the setting. There are important distinctions of identity for being "Garlean", ethnically, nationally, and legally.
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - OttoVann - 10-15-2014
(10-15-2014, 11:02 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: The Sultansworn exist specifically to protect the Sultana. The parallel to the Secret Service is reasonable, as is the doubt that bin Laden's/Castro's/Putin's/Hitler's/jung Il's family would be working for them. Dramatically interesting, sure, but likely straining suspension of disbelief.
Your not wrong but exactly how capable are Sworn in this game to investigate things like the Secret Service do? Its a decent analogy but from what I can tell Sworn are a mere fraction as capable and as...intelligence gathering (lack of words here) as the actual Secret Service.
I /could/ somewhat envision garleans breaking into Sworn ranks since I see or hear of no way that you could reliably sniff that out. We are in a medieval constrained fantasy world where background investigations seemingly are useless to non-existant.
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Aldotsk - 10-15-2014
(10-15-2014, 12:14 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:(10-15-2014, 12:09 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: Regardless, should people feel disappointed about how I want this character to go, I am sorry but I am pretty convinced of making a character like this since I am not sure if anyone thought of pulling this ludicrous stunt... Yet
There might be a reason for that. All the same, best of luck with your new concept. You're right that no one would technically know without being told (barring the third eye), and you'll be fairly well insulated since as an alt, she'll never see Anelia in person.
The character slots in my legacy account has been filled so the account is being created on my Ex's account that still has like 6 months to the subscription. (Yes I bought her a year subscription worth of game cards and then we broke up like two weeks after and she quit lol)
But regardless , I would like to have people gain connections  with this characters to view her differently. She'll be looked down upon by her ethnicity and her status (in the future) but to have people respect her in the future
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Warren Castille - 10-15-2014
(10-15-2014, 12:30 PM)OttoVann Wrote:(10-15-2014, 11:02 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: The Sultansworn exist specifically to protect the Sultana. The parallel to the Secret Service is reasonable, as is the doubt that bin Laden's/Castro's/Putin's/Hitler's/jung Il's family would be working for them. Dramatically interesting, sure, but likely straining suspension of disbelief.
Your not wrong but exactly how capable are Sworn in this game to investigate things like the Secret Service do? Its a decent analogy but from what I can tell Sworn are a mere fraction as capable and as...intelligence gathering (lack of words here) as the actual Secret Service.
I /could/ somewhat envision garleans breaking into Sworn ranks since I see or hear of no way that you could reliably sniff that out. We are in a medieval constrained fantasy world where background investigations seemingly are useless to non-existant.
Debatable. We also have access to linkshells and, depending on your personal canon, Fantasia draughts. The Sultansworn you see walking around in armor are akin to the guys in the suits with the earpieces. You're supposed to see those, but the Intelligence Community goes a lot deeper than that. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a section of the Sworn that specifically are off the record and exist simply to hang out in public places and make connections. Spycraft is an interesting angle but it's very difficult to do correctly because the people who know how to do it can't tell you they know how to do it.
Garlemald might have sleeper cells inside of the three main cities, but I would be surprised. Doesn't really seem their tactic, given their military and technological superiority. Wasting resources to infiltrate makes less sense than curbstomping your way across the land (which is what they'd done prior to being set back in Eorzea).
As far as how capable they are? Consider that seemingly majority of the Syndicate - professional conmen, backstabbers and power-hungry capitalists - have been unable to unseat her via diplomacy or skullduggery. I'd be willing to bet that assassination attempts are a dime a dozen, or at least approaching that. The Sultansworn Elite are in fact that (which is why I question Sworn fighting in the Grindstone, since it reveals that seemingly anyone can go toe to toe with them).
Personal biases aside, of course.
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Unnamed Mercenary - 10-15-2014
(10-15-2014, 12:30 PM)OttoVann Wrote:(10-15-2014, 11:02 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: The Sultansworn exist specifically to protect the Sultana. The parallel to the Secret Service is reasonable, as is the doubt that bin Laden's/Castro's/Putin's/Hitler's/jung Il's family would be working for them. Dramatically interesting, sure, but likely straining suspension of disbelief.
Your not wrong but exactly how capable are Sworn in this game to investigate things like the Secret Service do? Â Its a decent analogy but from what I can tell Sworn are a mere fraction as capable and as...intelligence gathering (lack of words here) as the actual Secret Service.
I /could/ somewhat envision garleans breaking into Sworn ranks since I see or hear of no way that you could reliably sniff that out. Â We are in a medieval constrained fantasy world where background investigations seemingly are useless to non-existant.
And Garleans likely do. I think the bigger issue is would the difficult trials of being trained break the person to an extent they'd slip up and reveal something undeniably....Garlean? We currently know that non-ethnic Garleans should have no issues "fitting in" with Eorzeans. They're all just hyur, after all. But an ethnically Grlean person, third eye and all? Probably not. There's a reason Franz in all his cheating and writeoffs I've made OOCly has a glamor that hides it. ...and it's not even perfectly reliable. If someone went and poked him where it's supposed to be, you can sure as bet he's screech in pain and react accordingly. Just the same that if there were to be some mystic glamor-dispelling thing dumped on him, it'd likely dispell and unless noticed, he'd be broadcasting it to the world. ...not exactly a state I'd want him in, and it'd need to be set up with approval beforehand, but certainly possible.
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Aldotsk - 10-15-2014
Speaking of third eye, that is a very good subject. Hmm I wish I could get a chance to ask Sounsyy if the third eye is all applied to all Garleans. If so, how it would work to hide it.
*sprays perfume on Franz's forehead*
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Berrod Armstrong - 10-15-2014
(10-15-2014, 01:04 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: Speaking of third eye, that is a very good subject. Hmm I wish I could get a chance to ask Sounsyy if the third eye is all applied to all Garleans. If so, how it would work to hide it.Native/pureblood Garleans, yes! And, a quick Glamour or a headband (or goggles) is all one needs!
*sprays perfume on Franz's forehead*
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Warren Castille - 10-15-2014
On that note, do we have confirmation it is a literal, extra optical ball in your skull?
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Sophia_Grave - 10-15-2014
Garleans generally don't have middle names. Those prefixes denote their title/rank.
EDIT: Also, we don't even know if all Garleans have one, since we know next to nothing of Garlean culture. If this character is the daughter of someone 'important', I guess filia or nata might fit, as both mean 'female offspring of'.
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Aldotsk - 10-15-2014
The character backgrounds is still being worked on. Noire is a daughter of third wife, and I am still debating whether I should keep her as natural born to get third eye or somehow use glamour to hide it or bs my way to say that her third eye was not attained due to genetic dominance on third wife.
Though, I am sure these Garleans also probably had like multiple wives and concubines based on their titles/statuses, where some may end up being half blood.
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Unnamed Mercenary - 10-15-2014
(10-15-2014, 01:07 PM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote:(10-15-2014, 01:04 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: Speaking of third eye, that is a very good subject. Hmm I wish I could get a chance to ask Sounsyy if the third eye is all applied to all Garleans. If so, how it would work to hide it.Native/pureblood Garleans, yes! And, a quick Glamour or a headband (or goggles) is all one needs!
*sprays perfume on Franz's forehead*
(10-15-2014, 01:08 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: On that note, do we have confirmation it is a literal, extra optical ball in your skull?
(10-15-2014, 01:11 PM)Apl_Juice Wrote: Garleans generally don't have middle names. Those prefixes denote their title/rank.
EDIT: Also, we don't even know if all Garleans have one, since we know next to nothing of Garlean culture. If this character is the daughter of someone 'important', I guess filia or nata might fit, as both mean 'female offspring of'.
...I just learned of multi-reply. This is amazing.
On topic:
From what I know, it's only for pure-blooded, ethnic, Garleans. Probably some ultra-recessive trait. I'd imagine anything else mixing in probably destroys all possibility of it showing up.
From the couple fragments of lore we do have, it is supposed to a biological/functional eye. Who knows if Garleans can really see through it though? (Or what they see.) I remember some lore post saying it helps them see more in battle. And all their headgear certainly protects it.
As for Franz, I don't RP a headband, but opted for a more...magical-styled glamour, like that of the imps. Physically, it looks like it isn't there, but clearly is. I'd imagine he blinks with it and all that jazz. On an NPC I'm half-writing stories for, she's going the headband/goggles route as she spies through Eorzea. She's got one goal, and getting caught is simply unacceptable by her standards.
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Aldotsk - 10-15-2014
Would half bloods claim an eye or fail to get an eye? Like if the female was highlander or any non-Garlean blood
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Unnamed Mercenary - 10-15-2014
(10-15-2014, 02:42 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: Would half bloods claim an eye or fail to get an eye? Like if the female was highlander or any non-Garlean blood
...no third eye. That's not a pure-blooded Garlean.