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RE: Need people's cooperation in FC event in cities being terrorized. - Kinono - 12-05-2014
(12-05-2014, 11:39 AM)Aldotsk Wrote: And anywhere that any Lalafells with blue/redhair would go to.
Well, damn.
RE: Need people's cooperation in FC event in cities being terrorized. - Warren Castille - 12-05-2014
There's nothing wrong with despairing events, but going specifically after the Sworn seems like a bad idea, especially because you know there are people playing that role after you had Anelia abandon it. You're effectively forcing every one of them to choose a side, and they're not compatible with each other at all.
It's also true that, in a world made up of heroic-figures waiting to play heroes, it's going to be immensely difficult to stop someone who doesn't see this thread on the RPC from wanting to help. If you've got a visible bad guy, expect them to get attacked. It can create some very difficult-to-manage ugliness, and while you're inviting people to contact you and get involved, it still sounds a bit like "But me and mine are the main characters, so we'll be saving the day."
There's also the unfortunate implications that come from all three nations being utterly unable to protect their borders and requiring adventurers to have to save them. Part of what made the former bomb incident work was because there really were Immortal Flame roleplayers on the front line, working to help and doing their jobs. This is going to render the Grand Companies AND the cities' respective law enforcement all completely inept until your FC saves the day (across the entire Alliance, no less).
I admit there's a lot of grumpy-sounding assumption in this post. There's just a lot of scope here and I'm not sure if you're truly wanting to risk alienating Anelia and your entire FC over this. It's usually a poor idea to write yourself in as the savior of entire countries and/or holidays and expect other people to believe you, hence folks mentioning this might work best as an in-FC story with maybe one or two outsiders, instead of it being an open-world event everyone else gets to watch you win or lose.
I don't want you to spill all the details for your event here, but I'm taking "he knows Anelia would get angry if he attacked the Sworn" to mean that this entire incident is over Anelia and your bad guy. It's hard to find folks interested in RPing savior-worship.
RE: Need people's cooperation in FC event in cities being terrorized. - McBeefâ„¢ - 12-05-2014
Guys I need help with my plot we're going to drop dalamund on Eorzea again.
Participation optional but everyone act really scared.
RE: Need people's cooperation in FC event in cities being terrorized. - Warren Castille - 12-05-2014
(12-05-2014, 01:57 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote: Guys I need help with my plot we're going to drop dalamund on Eorzea again.
Participation optional but everyone act really scared.
Do we have to treat it as canon?
RE: Need people's cooperation in FC event in cities being terrorized. - McBeefâ„¢ - 12-05-2014
(12-05-2014, 01:59 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:(12-05-2014, 01:57 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote: Guys I need help with my plot we're going to drop dalamund on Eorzea again.
Participation optional but everyone act really scared.
Do we have to treat it as canon?
No but Eorzea will be a crater, plz respect and react appropriately.
RE: Need people's cooperation in FC event in cities being terrorized. - Berrod Armstrong - 12-05-2014
(12-05-2014, 01:45 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: Again, I have not said people cannot be involved. And yes, if I target lore based areas for the FC plot, it does involve everyone and many people will not like it. I just wanted to keep everyone notified that I don't want them to be annoyed or upset like what happened in askier's event. No matter what people say about his event, there were those who liked it, and you can't satisfy everyone in something. I am only giving the idea that I'd want to let people know that is is FC focused but because of what's happening here, it'll affect everyone. If you are affected and you want to be involved, don't hesitate to jump in and talk to me.I feel the need here to point out the major difference between what you have planned, and what Askier, Oscare and Jancis' events involved.
I liked world events sometimes that have these kind of crisis because I don't always see happy world events that happen all the time. And don't get me wrong. I find jancis's and oscare's events from past few weeks to be amazing and also the ball dances and etc. but why not also have despairing events too?
The latter events were designed specifically to treat to the community -- that is, everyone was invited to allow those events to be a part of their characters' canon, and for the events that took place to leave a permanent impression on their character histories -- as well as open up avenues for future action taken by any community members who were interested to pursue. One event was uplifting and cool, and the other was one full of danger and tragedy.Â
Askier's event had the SLIGHT hiccup of people basically being unaware or non-participating in the very world-changing aspects of it (world as in the general surroundings in which the characters interact). Therefore, the canon existed for some people, and it didn't for others. Still, everyone was more or less agreed on it being a fun idea for the community. I was one of the people who didn't wish to have the poison thing in my canon (for story reasons), but I did enjoy the fact that the community was invited to participate on a lasting basis -- and followed the events avidly!
What you have planned is something for your free company. If it is FC focused, then your FC will basically be attempting to place a canon onto the wider community for its own sake. If it was for the community's sake, if the entire community was invited to this plot, it would have been a lot less contentious. As it stands, it is not.
After Pearl Lane and the Sultanshack get kerbloozled and your Free Company returns to the arc in it's own halls, what becomes of the outside community characters who have been affected? How will Berrod avenge his Pearl Lane buddies? How will Crofte handle the aftermath of what happened in the Sultanshack? How can one assume that the players of these characters would put themselves in this situation for the sake of an event not made for the community, but specifically tailored to a Free Company?
One does not just get to say 'It's FC focused, but it'll affect everyone'. That's basically declaring that your FC plot has a hold on every single character who uses Ul'Dah as a setting. It is not so. Therefore, the solution lies within either opening the event to the community, or keeping it within your FC canon. The latter is a bit safer, because it means that the plot will be a bit easier to control.Â
This isn't a matter of satisfying everyone. It's a matter of keeping things where they belong, and not forcing people to have to deal with making a choice because of one Free Company plot.
RE: Need people's cooperation in FC event in cities being terrorized. - Unnamed Mercenary - 12-05-2014
Aldotsk Wrote:I am only giving the idea that I'd want to let people know that is is FC focused but because of what's happening here, it'll affect everyone
I'm not if what I was trying to convey has been interpreted correctly. This is an issue. Right here. Forcing a storyline onto people will inevitably cause issues. I can't tell you how to fix it, but I can point out that it's broken.Â
This. Is. Problematic.
RE: Need people's cooperation in FC event in cities being terrorized. - McBeefâ„¢ - 12-05-2014
Also we killed nanamo and now I'm nanamo.
RE: Need people's cooperation in FC event in cities being terrorized. - Aldotsk - 12-05-2014
So what, you want me to fully open it for everyone else so they can participate in it and have more villains be involved too? Because I could literally do that, but I do not wish to keep it on the side of nowhere to have this event to happen.
This won't be just Ul'dah, this will be also two other cities too.
RE: Need people's cooperation in FC event in cities being terrorized. - McBeefâ„¢ - 12-05-2014
(12-05-2014, 02:09 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: So what, you want me to fully open it for everyone else so they can participate in it and have more villains be involved too? Because I could literally do that, but I do not wish to keep it on the side of nowhere to have this event to happen.
This won't be just Ul'dah, this will be also two other cities too.
#seriouspost
Just don't want you to do anything that will majorly impact the canon, that you will just then walk away from. Events as you describe will effect characters deeply, and the cities as well, they can't really be written off as a one off event.
If you instead were speaking of a long term plot, which would progress and have an ending, and all of that, I think people would be less annoyed than 'OMG UL'DAH IS ON FIRE'
RE: Need people's cooperation in FC event in cities being terrorized. - Gegenji - 12-05-2014
If I may suggest, does it HAVE to be in such a public locale? Blowing up obvious, definable areas that can intrude on other people's RP? You said yourself Ul'dah is much bigger than what is already being shown, so why not use a more nebulous made-for-the-event location instead?
Instead of Pearl Lane, what about a lesser known spot squirreled away somewhere? Rather than attacking the 'Sworn directly to draw her out, why not target one of Anelia's close friends who happens to be a 'Sworn? Or someone else close to her that isn't in such a prestigious position?
If it's an FC event, would it be possible to use your FC's manor and just dress up some of the rooms as "stages" where these scenes take place? A dirty bar, a Sultansworn's office. Then you can invite people over to be NPCs and it won't be as... pressing... on everyone else who is not.
(12-05-2014, 02:06 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote: Also we killed nanamo and now I'm nanamo.
But we have a secret clone army of Nanamos grown in vats under Sultansworn command!
RE: Need people's cooperation in FC event in cities being terrorized. - Unnamed Mercenary - 12-05-2014
(12-05-2014, 02:09 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: So what, you want me to fully open it for everyone else so they can participate in it and have more villains be involved too? Because I could literally do that, but I do not wish to keep it on the side of nowhere to have this event to happen.
This won't be just Ul'dah, this will be also two other cities too.
I think what most people are trying to say is "Keep it in your FC".
You cannot force the entire setting of the game to accept your FC's story arc. I can keep finding other ways of wording this if it'll help.
RE: Need people's cooperation in FC event in cities being terrorized. - Berrod Armstrong - 12-05-2014
(12-05-2014, 02:09 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: So what, you want me to fully open it for everyone else so they can participate in it and have more villains be involved too? Because I could literally do that, but I do not wish to keep it on the side of nowhere to have this event to happen.If YOU want, you can open it for everyone -- I'd only advise against it because the community is HUGE and something on that scale is really stressful to control. Things get out of hand really quickly.Â
This won't be just Ul'dah, this will be also two other cities too.
The other option is to keep it to the FC, so that it's something that goes on in your FC story -- that bubble of canon. It's not a bad thing, it's just how roleplay goes sometimes. For example, my FC has an arc going on that involves a group of killers trying to eliminate its members. One of the attacks took place in the Goblet, right in the yard of the FC house. In our FC canon, the Blades were bribed and made to look the other way as the house was swarmed. However! We did not ask our very active neighbors (at the time) to react or be forced to participate in the melee...essentially keeping things in our canon. In this case, it was small scale enough for our characters to go about talking about in public -- because the little pieces fit together enough to do so. Dealing with major cities with functioning law enforcement and a crapton of adventurers just sweating to get a chance at gil/recognition...that's a bit more difficult to manage.
RE: Need people's cooperation in FC event in cities being terrorized. - McBeefâ„¢ - 12-05-2014
(12-05-2014, 02:11 PM)Gegenji Wrote:(12-05-2014, 02:06 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote: Also we killed nanamo and now I'm nanamo.
But we have a secret clone army of Nanamos grown in vats under Sultansworn command!
“I will shoot at him†said the nanamo and he fired the fire flames. Gegenji sworded at him and tried to blew him up. But then the ceiling fell and they were trapped and not able to kill.
“No! I must kill the nanamos†he shouted
The linkpearl said “No, gegenjis. You are the nanamosâ€
And then gegenji was a merlwyb.
RE: Need people's cooperation in FC event in cities being terrorized. - Gegenji - 12-05-2014
(12-05-2014, 02:18 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote:(12-05-2014, 02:11 PM)Gegenji Wrote:(12-05-2014, 02:06 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote: Also we killed nanamo and now I'm nanamo.
But we have a secret clone army of Nanamos grown in vats under Sultansworn command!
“I will shoot at him†said the nanamo and he fired the fire flames. Gegenji sworded at him and tried to blew him up. But then the ceiling fell and they were trapped and not able to kill.
“No! I must kill the nanamos†he shouted
The linkpearl said “No, gegenjis. You are the nanamosâ€
And then gegenji was a merlwyb.
WHAT A TWEEST.