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RE: Naming - LeCard - 12-01-2013
For those looking for more discusion/info on Miqo'te naming I present this little tid bit of fun: Loremonger discussion
From this bit, I think it would be safe for anyone wanting to make their own extra lore friendly Miqo'te family name to use the naming conventions of tribal groups such as Native Americans and aborigines of Australia.
@burning Passion
Regarding Roe naming, While Hellsguard do use translated names, they will still have a name from the same scheme as Seawolves. They will just be less likely to start by introducing themselves with their "true name" and instead be far more comfortable with giving a translated one. The translated name being the two words that make up their first name in the old language, dropping their family name entirely.
So burning passion would have a real first name made up of something along the lines of:
Fyr= fire
hezz=hot
wall=boil
Abyl=Rage
Zirn=fury/furious
Aerg=ambitious
pfrew=joy
toum=dream
And that is from the list of Known Roe words, so a combination of them like, Zirntoum could be made a rough translation that would equal furious dream(or miss translated as burning passion as it would be /close enough/)
RE: Naming - Zac Evans - 12-01-2013
I'm kinda with Erik on this one. My real name is Zachary Evans-fits perfectly with Midlander naming conventions. Now, granted, I could've given it a hyper fantasy-esque spin such as Zachariah G. Evanson Esq. the problem with it though is it didn't fit the whole farm boy scheme. Think of fantasy novel! Does the farm boy thrust out into the dangerous world EVER have an amazing eighty-seven syllable name lavished with titles and deep, DEEP meaning? Nah. It's usually things like Mat, Thom, Zac and Avere opposed to Stormageddon von World-Breaker, Alouisoux Delacroix, or Magnificent Lequise!!
But everyone's right. All the way from 'special snowflake' to 'lore reasons'.
Everyone stay the hell away from the name Alouisoux Delacroix! I need to use that.
RE: Naming - K'nahli - 12-01-2013
(12-01-2013, 06:47 AM)Zac Evans Wrote:Stormageddon von World-Breaker
Hahahaha.
Though I agree with Faye. Many people enjoy being the exception or breaking away from lore and as a result, traditional naming methods in fact become the minority. Thats not to say that anyone not following the conventions were wrong in any way, its just a bit unfortunate that so many avoid it.
RE: Naming - Clover - 12-01-2013
As it was stated, I'm also okay with it so long as the other person has an explanation for their character's name, which tends to be the case.
However, if this kind of "special" situation happens more often than not and becomes the norm, I have to completely, 100% agree with Faye. The lore itself would change and the races would lose their identity. I like experiencing the original lore, so I'd naturally be bothered by this.
In any case, I haven't played with many people myself, so I haven't experienced this kind of problem. In the Miqo'te's case, most of the Miqo'te NPCs we see in game aren't even tribal, so seeing a city Miqo'te is a very normal occurrence. No idea about other races, as I've only RPed with Hyurs and Miqo'tes so far, and I don't remember any of them being out of the norm.
Edit: I didn't notice this, but I've been pointed out that even city Miqo'te NPCs still have tribal names...
In that case, I guess that being a Miqo'te and not having a Miqo'te name is indeed rare, no matter if you're from a tribe or from a city. I've mostly RPed with the Miqo'tes from the K tribe, so I don't really know how many Miqo'te characters are actually ignoring the lore naming system.
RE: Naming - K'nahli - 12-01-2013
(12-01-2013, 09:54 AM)Clover Wrote: In the Miqo'te's case, most of the Miqo'te NPCs we see in game aren't even tribal, so seeing a city Miqo'te is a very normal occurrence.
Oddly, that never occurred to me but is a very good point. All miqo'te(as far as I am aware) follow conventions despite living and (presumably) having even been born in the cities/towns/villages away from their traditional settlements.
RE: Naming - Naunet - 12-01-2013
(12-01-2013, 09:54 AM)Clover Wrote: In the Miqo'te's case, most of the Miqo'te NPCs we see in game aren't even tribal, so seeing a city Miqo'te is a very normal occurrence.
It's entirely possible that many miqo'te living in the cities are maintaining their family tribe dynamics simultaneously. Remember, "tribe" doesn't automatically imply some isolated group of individuals far out in the wilderness. Perhaps that N' or K' or W' or whatever prefix miqo'te NPC you see in town is just one of a whole family who live and make a living in the city as a unit. I know Twinflame has got a sort of mafia-esque dynamic going with one of his miqo'te's tribe.
Food for thought! Just cause a miqo'te is in the city, doesn't mean they've forsaken their tribe's way of life!
RE: Naming - Clover - 12-01-2013
(12-01-2013, 12:50 PM)Naunet Wrote:Ah, that's true. I had assumed that Miqo'tes were either living in the deserts/forests like good tribes, or had completely abandoned the tribal life to embrace the city customs, in which case their names could be just anything (except Japanese names, as there's no way to justify them within the lore that I know of (?) ).(12-01-2013, 09:54 AM)Clover Wrote: In the Miqo'te's case, most of the Miqo'te NPCs we see in game aren't even tribal, so seeing a city Miqo'te is a very normal occurrence.
It's entirely possible that many miqo'te living in the cities are maintaining their family tribe dynamics simultaneously. Remember, "tribe" doesn't automatically imply some isolated group of individuals far out in the wilderness. Perhaps that N' or K' or W' or whatever prefix miqo'te NPC you see in town is just one of a whole family who live and make a living in the city as a unit. I know Twinflame has got a sort of mafia-esque dynamic going with one of his miqo'te's tribe.
Food for thought! Just cause a miqo'te is in the city, doesn't mean they've forsaken their tribe's way of life!
But yes, this game doesn't seem to display any Miqo'te who doesn't have a proper Miqo'te name, so it's either they're still a part of a tribe as you say, or they simply maintain their roots even if they abandon the tribal life itself to mix with other cultures. I don't know and I'm glad I'm not playing a city Miqo'te; it's suddenly sounding too complicated to figure out ^^;
RE: Naming - Ridegmuve - 12-01-2013
To be honest, I just rolled the randomiser till I got a name I liked, so I didn't exactly do my homework on Duskwight Elezen... However I think it fits her perfectly and I'm having imense fun researching it now.
On others, to be honest, I really don't focus on their names because there could be a 100+1 reasons why their character is named like that (adopted/nickname/strange family tradition etc). I would rather focus on their RP if anything.
RE: Naming - Merri - 12-03-2013
Naturally, I'd have to agree with the idea that there is always rooms for exceptions so long as it's noted in some way, shape, or form -- even if that reason isn't ever explored ICly for whatever reason. I ran into this issue myself, as I played a Hyur during 1.0, and my character's name was quite Hyur. I had, however, always wanted to be Miqo'te from the get-go, and I took the chance when it rose up.
As opposed to changing my character's name entirely, he simply became a non-tribal Miqo'te. This was even easier for me, as my character was born on Ilsabard to begin with, not Aldenard. We do know that not all tribes settled on Aldenard. The ones that did are the ones we know canonically, but there are supposedly others that wandered to various regions. Plus there are likely those that never made the migration (which my bet is on them being the natives of Meracydia.)
At some point, Merri's ancenstors removed themselves from a tribal life in favor of a life in the (then) republic of Garlemald. He was obviously born after the Imperial regime had been instated, and let while young for reasons.
RE: Naming - C'kayah Polaali - 12-03-2013
(12-01-2013, 06:22 PM)Ridegmuve Wrote: To be honest, I just rolled the randomiser till I got a name I liked, so I didn't exactly do my homework on Duskwight Elezen... However I think it fits her perfectly and I'm having imense fun researching it now.
On others, to be honest, I really don't focus on their names because there could be a 100+1 reasons why their character is named like that (adopted/nickname/strange family tradition etc). I would rather focus on their RP if anything.
I did the same thing for C'kayah. The randomizer seems to do a pretty good job of constructing plausible lore-appropriate names for the various races.
RE: Naming - Knave - 12-03-2013
(12-01-2013, 06:22 PM)Ridegmuve Wrote: On others, to be honest, I really don't focus on their names because there could be a 100+1 reasons why their character is named like that (adopted/nickname/strange family tradition etc). I would rather focus on their RP if anything.
This. Generally, I've found myself pretty tolerant of most names people come up with for RP since there is, more often than not, a reason for them picking that particular name. I do, however, draw a line with goofy names (for example, if someone was named Buttface McHurty).
Much like Merri, I had a name picked out for my miqo'te long before they were in-game or any sort of info was given about their naming tradition. Naturally, by the time we had any thing to work with I was already attached to the name and loathed to get rid of it, so I did what any person would do. Research! Tweak! Twerk!
It was a long, grueling process to sort out the name issue since I needed to find something that not only matched Bancroft but would be used in his biological mother's name as well. The end result was the name Banli'a. There's a story behind it that I won't get into but out of respect for his mother, he still goes by that name however, like the rest of his personality, it's a name that is closely guarded and reserved for only those who are close and dear to his heart.
RE: Naming - Edgar - 12-03-2013
I'm pretty satisfied with my justifications for Edgar's name. This is taken straight from his wiki:
Quote:Name
Tribal Name
Z'Sira'a Tordone (Zoh-Sir-ah Tor-dawn-ah) As a mixed breed, Edgar's tribal name uses a combination of Seeker and Keeper naming conventions. He bears the prefix of his father, Z'Tal Tia, a Seeker of the Sun, along with the numerical suffix key to Keeper of the Moon traditions.
Aliases/Nicknames
Edgar Von Gandervalt An alias adopted upon learning of his parents' fate, taken up for safety reasons. The last name, Gandervalt, is taken from his adoptive family, with the addition of the preposition "Von", which means "of" or "from". The first name, Edgar, was chosen entirely at random.