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RE: Coil T1-2 Advice on Getting Started/Learning it - LiadansWhisper - 02-03-2014
(02-03-2014, 09:23 PM)Aleister Wrote:(02-03-2014, 05:15 PM)ExKage Wrote: I don't know who the real lead is in it. Either our FC leader or one of my friends...If you're looking to poke into Coil ASAP (Which Yoshi has stated its contents will be the hardest in the game for now.) I wouldn't neglect gear just because it has something you dislike for example, a cowl. Only gimping yourself and hurting the rest of the team plus it only requires philo tomes to buy it which.. aren't a big deal haha and you could easily just grind myth for 2 weeks and obtain the BLM i90 chestpiece which is better than the CT stuff. If you really dislike the cowl, you could just equip the DL gear for hard dungeons and raids only and then swap to something you prefer on downtime, I use to do that. Heck I still do, just with snowman gear now.
I tried to avoid the DL because its a cowl that woukd take up the hat and the chest. I'm really hoping a crimson vest pops up on me tonight
Actually, trying for two separate pieces ends up working out to a stat gain.
RE: Coil T1-2 Advice on Getting Started/Learning it - Aleister - 02-03-2014
(02-03-2014, 09:24 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:Sure, CT promises you a loot item of your choice, sure but how many runs would you have to do just for that item piece to drop and also have a small chance of losing to another player? Yeah tis a stat gain but it'd be much more easier to just grind myth tomes to get a i90 myth piece and use that with another piece of gear you have saved. Its offers more stats than a CT gear + HM dungeon.. But thats my thought on it, it can be simply ignored.(02-03-2014, 09:23 PM)Aleister Wrote:(02-03-2014, 05:15 PM)ExKage Wrote: I don't know who the real lead is in it. Either our FC leader or one of my friends...If you're looking to poke into Coil ASAP (Which Yoshi has stated its contents will be the hardest in the game for now.) I wouldn't neglect gear just because it has something you dislike for example, a cowl. Only gimping yourself and hurting the rest of the team plus it only requires philo tomes to buy it which.. aren't a big deal haha and you could easily just grind myth for 2 weeks and obtain the BLM i90 chestpiece which is better than the CT stuff. If you really dislike the cowl, you could just equip the DL gear for hard dungeons and raids only and then swap to something you prefer on downtime, I use to do that. Heck I still do, just with snowman gear now.
I tried to avoid the DL because its a cowl that woukd take up the hat and the chest. I'm really hoping a crimson vest pops up on me tonight
Actually, trying for two separate pieces ends up working out to a stat gain.
RE: Coil T1-2 Advice on Getting Started/Learning it - Aldotsk - 02-03-2014
(02-03-2014, 09:08 PM)Aleister Wrote:(02-03-2014, 07:40 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:Pretty much what Liadan has said, sadly if you don't have 7 friends or a FC willing to teach the intended way of handling Turn 2 you won't get far in T4.(02-03-2014, 06:58 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: I would agree and disagree on Enrage method. It IS an easy way out to clear Turn 2, but for those who have been running many times has still failed to clear it normally because of lack of gears and DPS. Honestly, the worst part is when you are trying to fight ADS withing 4~6 clicks and you can't seem to kill it in that amount of time.Â
I would suggest to try and do enrage and do it normal way afterwards because with the way people want to get Allagan gears right now is just a milestone if you try it regular way.
Eh. Â I'm pretty Lassiez Faire about the whole thing. Â If you can't get past Turn 2 the regular way, you won't make it past Turn 4 anyway.
.... Not everyone has 7 friends or has huge FC/LS community to work things out to do Turn 2 like you say. So that argument is kind of invalid.
RE: Coil T1-2 Advice on Getting Started/Learning it - Trigonxv - 02-04-2014
I got by t4 with a pug and we decided to ls up been doing fine clearing t4 even when we do t2 enrage, so it's not a matter of o you cleared t2 enrage style? sorry but you prolly can't do t4 it's just a matter of working together with people and adapting to various people's skill sets which is something of a rarity in mmo's. my advice if your question still hasn't been resolved form learning groups you have a significantly higher chance of getting patient and fun individuals in which you can learn content at your leisure
RE: Coil T1-2 Advice on Getting Started/Learning it - LiadansWhisper - 02-04-2014
(02-03-2014, 11:21 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: .... Not everyone has 7 friends or has huge FC/LS community to work things out to do Turn 2 like you say. So that argument is kind of invalid.
I think you're misunderstanding what I was getting at. Â If you don't have the ability to get past T2 (i.e. your personal skill level is too low) via the normal method, then you don't have the ability (i.e. personal skill level) to get past T4.
What I was getting at is that if you are able to clear T4, then you have the skill to be there. Â There isn't a way that I know of to "cheese" T4, so you certainly have the ability to clear T2 normally if you can make it through T4.
I hope that made a bit more sense.
(02-04-2014, 12:43 AM)Trigonxv Wrote: I got by t4 with a pug and we decided to ls up been doing fine clearing t4 even when we do t2 enrage, so it's not a matter of o you cleared t2 enrage style? sorry but you prolly can't  do t4 it's just a matter of working together with people and adapting to various people's skill sets which is something of a rarity in mmo's. my advice if your question still hasn't been resolved form learning groups you have a significantly  higher chance of getting patient and fun individuals in which you can learn content at your leisure
The point is that T4 is a step up, in terms of skill required, from T2.
RE: Coil T1-2 Advice on Getting Started/Learning it - Aleister - 02-04-2014
I wouldn't worry about it if you're not crazy into PvE endgame content. when 2.2 comes out which is like.. perhaps the end of march? Coil will be getting a 'echo' buff for the Coil T1-T5 to make it easier. Just learn the fights by whatever method you can and enjoy it until it gets uber easy.
RE: Coil T1-2 Advice on Getting Started/Learning it - synaesthetic - 02-04-2014
If you don't like the darklight cowl, do what everyone else does and get a weaver to craft you caster vanya. The HQ versions are just as powerful as darklight cowl when taken together, and if you meld them, they're even more powerful.
I've been using a vanya robe on SMN with a few materia in it (not overmelded, though) since both Acheron and the ADS hate me and won't drop caster body pieces.
RE: Coil T1-2 Advice on Getting Started/Learning it - Asgarn - 02-04-2014
"Sooooome daaaaaaay over the raiiinbooooow!"
We'll get you that caster body some time soon.Â
RE: Coil T1-2 Advice on Getting Started/Learning it - Kage - 02-04-2014
(02-04-2014, 07:02 AM)synaesthetic Wrote: If you don't like the darklight cowl, do what everyone else does and get a weaver to craft you caster vanya. The HQ versions are just as powerful as darklight cowl when taken together, and if you meld them, they're even more powerful.
I've been using a vanya robe on SMN with a few materia in it (not overmelded, though) since both Acheron and the ADS hate me and won't drop caster body pieces.
My friend wasn't able to HQ mine and we threw a Savage Aim IV and Quicktongue IV onto it to "sort of" make up for it. We all just decided that I'd go for the CT body and myth robe. I don't mind getting the myth robe, as everyone says it IS one of the better alternatives to the Allagan tunic of casting. (It's just really ugly in my opinion and it'll take me just about 2 more weeks to get it).
Acheron dropped the crimson vest on Sunday. 4 days after I already took my loot
RE: Coil T1-2 Advice on Getting Started/Learning it - synaesthetic - 02-05-2014
The AF2 robe for BLM is better than allagan body unless you can make up the 34 accuracy somewhere else. This is not especially easy, and most BLMs can only make use of allagan body after they already collect a significant amount of allagan gear (specifically the shoes, circlet and pants) or they have allagan scepter (which has a lot of accuracy on it) or they have titan earrings, garuda ring and allagan ring, plus hero's belt.
If you can get the accuracy somewhere else (like on allagan scepter or have a bunch of EX primal jewelry), then allagan body is great for BLM. But even if the ADS finally stops hating me next week and drops it (unlikely) I'm still going to be using sorcerer's coat on BLM because I can't really make up the 34 accuracy anywhere else. However, it'll be used on SMN instantly since I am still using vanya on SMN. :/
(Unless, of course, Turn 4 drops another pair of allagan pants. Unlikely as well, but it could happen... we had two allagan healer body pieces drop two weeks in a row...)
RE: Coil T1-2 Advice on Getting Started/Learning it - LiadansWhisper - 02-05-2014
(02-05-2014, 01:51 AM)synaesthetic Wrote: (Unless, of course, Turn 4 drops another pair of allagan pants. Unlikely as well, but it could happen... we had two allagan healer body pieces drop two weeks in a row...)
o_O
We had the same loot table this week and I think last week, too. Â That is...weird.
Don't talk to me about pants. Â MY PANTS ARE OFF TWINTANIA.
RE: Coil T1-2 Advice on Getting Started/Learning it - Kage - 02-05-2014
I've always in the long term planned on getting the AF2 chest piece because of the better stats but it was also a sort of question of whether or not I'd go for it first.
I had decided that if I saw a Crimson Hat I'd need it... but it never showed up and Crimson Vest did. So I got the Crimson Vest and bought the AF2 hat to make up for it previously still being a Warlock's Hat.Â
At this point I'm ilvl76. I don't have many of the cross class skills. How detrimental is that?
RE: Coil T1-2 Advice on Getting Started/Learning it - synaesthetic - 02-05-2014
(02-05-2014, 02:16 AM)ExKage Wrote: I've always in the long term planned on getting the AF2 chest piece because of the better stats but it was also a sort of question of whether or not I'd go for it first.
I had decided that if I saw a Crimson Hat I'd need it... but it never showed up and Crimson Vest did. So I got the Crimson Vest and bought the AF2 hat to make up for it previously still being a Warlock's Hat.Â
At this point I'm ilvl76. I don't have many of the cross class skills. How detrimental is that?
The "really important" ones are Raging Strikes (if you don't have this one, you're just being lazy, getting level 4 on archer takes like 10 minutes tops) and Quelling Strikes (this one takes quite a bit longer since it's archer level 34).
The cross-class actions I assign are Raging Strikes (ARC 4), Quelling Strikes (ARC 34), Physick (ACN 4), Virus (ACN 12) and Eye for an Eye (ACN 34). All of these are useful, though some more useful than others.
Raging Strikes and Quelling Strikes are absolutely the most useful. Quelling Strikes becomes all but required when you're fighting bosses that spawn adds that must be burned down ASAP. Chirada on Garuda EX is a good example; you don't really have time to be screwing around and letting the tank get aggro, so you burn Quelling and can open up right away. Under the effects of QS, your threat generation is so incredibly tiny that the tank would literally have to be standing still and auto-attacking for you to actually pull aggro.
Raging Strikes is a damage cooldown. Use it when you want or need more DPS. Useful for burn phases. I do not macro it to anything and reserve it for when I need to put out a lot of DPS all at once (dreadnoughts in Turn 4, conflagrations on Twintania, Garuda EX during plume phases after the Razor Plumes are dead, etc).
Virus is situationally useful, especially now after the Virus nerf prevents Virus from being applied to the enemy more than once every one minute and twelve seconds. Cross-class Virus only reduces STR and DEX by 15%, which means it only affects physical damage. I use it when you have a mob being tanked but the SCH or SMN doesn't want to use their full-power Virus yet. Examples would be when pulling Caduceus in Turn 1; he hits very hard and deals only physical damage. While the party moves into position, the tank can end up taking a lot of damage. Once the tank tosses Tomahawk/Shield Lob, I use Virus as I run into position. Helps save the healers a few MP. I also use it on the sisters in Garuda EX and on the Clockwork Soldier that I kite in Turn 4. Lately I've been doing T4 as SMN and just having Titan-egi tank it instead of kiting it... though I still use Virus!
Physick is not that useful, really, but there aren't many other things to stick here. I've found ways to make it at least somewhat useful on BLM, even with our painfully low MND, it still heals for about 350-400 with plus-one relic. I will use it any time that I cannot attack for whatever reason and cannot pull aggro (Mistral Song, Mistral Shriek, Aerial Blast, Geocrush, Inferno, etc).
Eye for an Eye is, again, situational. Usually your healers will be able to keep this buff on your tanks when they need it, but I've found that when you have dicey pulls (Twintania comes to mind) putting Eye on both tanks helps make the transition more smooth. I also use it on cooldown in Turn 4 because those dreadnoughts hit hard.
RE: Coil T1-2 Advice on Getting Started/Learning it - Naunet - 02-05-2014
(02-05-2014, 01:56 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: Don't talk to me about pants. Â MY PANTS ARE OFF TWINTANIA.
But the myth pants are better anyway! Live the pantslessness.
RE: Coil T1-2 Advice on Getting Started/Learning it - Kage - 02-05-2014
Once again thank you so much for all your help and advice! I hope you all get your loot soon!
(02-05-2014, 05:53 AM)synaesthetic Wrote: The "really important" ones are Raging Strikes (if you don't have this one, you're just being lazy, getting level 4 on archer takes like 10 minutes tops) and Quelling Strikes (this one takes quite a bit longer since it's archer level 34).I would also be stupid to not have put it in when ARC needs to be 15 for BLM. I just... need to get in the habit of using it more often than in burning phases so it becomes second nature. Quelling Strikes is a different matter since my ARC is lvl 23 or so and it's become a bit of a chore to level it.
(02-05-2014, 05:53 AM)synaesthetic Wrote: The cross-class actions I assign are Raging Strikes (ARC 4), Quelling Strikes (ARC 34), Physick (ACN 4), Virus (ACN 12) and Eye for an Eye (ACN 34). All of these are useful, though some more useful than others.Of the ones you've listed and described I only have Raging Strikes and Physick. I leveled my ACN just about to get Physick. Would you agree then that if I wanted to use all of the cross-class abilities, in order, I'm best off getting Quelling Strikes and then working on ACN?
Raging Strikes and Quelling Strikes are absolutely the most useful. Quelling Strikes becomes all but required when you're fighting bosses that spawn adds that must be burned down ASAP. Chirada on Garuda EX is a good example; you don't really have time to be screwing around and letting the tank get aggro, so you burn Quelling and can open up right away. Under the effects of QS, your threat generation is so incredibly tiny that the tank would literally have to be standing still and auto-attacking for you to actually pull aggro.
Since I'm now in DL or higher and barring able to get actual experience in Coil soon, I'd be aiming for Myth Belt, Choker, and earrings before say... pants and shoes. Right?