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RE: Gender roles - Nebbs - 07-05-2014
(07-05-2014, 02:59 PM)synaesthetic Wrote: ...
We're playing magic-slinging cat people and you're concerned that there isn't a large degree of "historically-accurate" sexism? Dafuq are you on about?
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Just that, it's fantasy
RE: Gender roles - Kellach Woods - 07-05-2014
All game writing is essentially C-list writing with very few exceptions though.
RE: Gender roles - synaesthetic - 07-05-2014
(07-05-2014, 03:17 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: All game writing is essentially C-list writing with very few exceptions though.
Sturgeon's Law in practice.
RE: Gender roles - allgivenover - 07-05-2014
(07-05-2014, 03:17 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: All writing is essentially C-list writing with very few exceptions though.
Fixed that for you.
RE: Gender roles - allgivenover - 07-05-2014
Also does anyone else find it hilarious that magic, cat-people, dragons, fairies, and all sorts of supernatural nonsense is somehow more acceptable and "realistic" than a world where women are not automatically second class citizens?
I mean, it'd make sense if we were playing an MMO heavily based off of 15th century Europe or something, but we're not even close to anything remotely historical.
XIV doesn't seem to portray women with significantly less rights at all, and that's alright. Just because the setting doesn't have cars and other modern conveniences doesn't mean that women have to be under the boot of the patriarchy.
RE: Gender roles - FreelanceWizard - 07-05-2014
*puts on Magic Admin Hat, blows whistle, throws the flag*
I have handed out warnings on this thread for posts that are extremely and unnecessarily combative. The next step if it continues will be temporary bans, as my patience is beginning to wear thin for this sort of thing. Please do not make me do that.
This is a contentious topic, but up until today, the conversation was polite and respectful. If you can't keep a cool head in this thread, I ask that you bow out of it. Thanks.
RE: Gender roles - Aya - 07-05-2014
This isn't something I can really imagine spending much time thinking about. The world certainly doesn't have in depth lore, or a wealth of background culture to draw from, and even if they did people would draw their own conclusions or project what they wanted into the world.
As in everything else there is no "right" way to RP gender expectations, all there are are the ways that each individual character handles it. Just as in the real word, you're going to encounter all types. Consider it as an opportunity for RP variety, or perhaps, like Aya does, an opportunity to be underestimated.
RE: Gender roles - allgivenover - 07-05-2014
The background and cultural lore might not be as thorough as we'd like but we can still draw conclusions from the way the world is actively depicted, and that depiction points to there being little reason to believe that women suffer as second class citizens in Eorzea.
RE: Gender roles - Kellach Woods - 07-06-2014
It's kind of weird how the game handles it.
On one side, we have two out of the three military leaders of Eorzea being women, with the one who isn't having to answer to one hierarchically. All are shown to be competent at their jobs and doing the best they can with a bad situation. We also have several women portrayed in what would be, in our society, typically "male" jobs and SOMEWHAT vice-versa (Jandelaine, although stylists being male and effeminate is definitely not a subversion by any means, same with the dance instructor).
On the other side, there's the unmentionable implications that seem to only occur to women across the main scenario as though it could never happen to men, or if it happened to men the rating would go up so it cannot happen to them for out of story considerations. And the fact that all dancers in Ul'dah/Costa del Sol are women.
I guess we can extrapolate that bad stuff still happens to women exclusively but people make less of a fuss about women in various roles.
RE: Gender roles - LiadansWhisper - 07-06-2014
(07-06-2014, 05:55 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: It's kind of weird how the game handles it.
On one side, we have two out of the three military leaders of Eorzea being women, with the one who isn't having to answer to one hierarchically. All are shown to be competent at their jobs and doing the best they can with a bad situation. We also have several women portrayed in what would be, in our society, typically "male" jobs and SOMEWHAT vice-versa (Jandelaine, although stylists being male and effeminate is definitely not a subversion by any means, same with the dance instructor).
On the other side, there's the unmentionable implications that seem to only occur to women across the main scenario as though it could never happen to men, or if it happened to men the rating would go up so it cannot happen to them for out of story considerations. And the fact that all dancers in Ul'dah/Costa del Sol are women.
I guess we can extrapolate that bad stuff still happens to women exclusively but people make less of a fuss about women in various roles.
You may or may not have noticed that Square is somewhat (or even very) inconsistent with how things in the game are portrayed vs. how they tell us they are.  A great example of this is their statements about Sunseeker Miqo'te.  From what they tell us in threads, Sunseeker tribes are primarily run by females - the Nunhs are pretty much never the heads of the tribe.  But, the only Sunseeker tribe we see in-game is being run by a Nunh.   ¯\(°_o)/¯Â
RE: Gender roles - FreelanceWizard - 07-06-2014
(07-06-2014, 06:13 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: From what they tell us in threads, Sunseeker tribes are primarily run by females - the Nunhs are pretty much never the heads of the tribe. Â But, the only Sunseeker tribe we see in-game is being run by a Nunh.
Minor correction: they're primarily run by people who are not nunh.
"Nunh status does not equate to leadership within a tribe, and in fact, very few nunh ever become leaders." (dev post) I would personally argue that, given the rest of the post, Seeker territory leadership is largely made up of the tia (otherwise, why would they explicitly state that Keepers are "highly matriarchal"), but there's been no explicit statement one way or the other of which I'm aware.EDIT: That said, it's a total grey area for the development of backgrounds, so either way you do it, you'll be within the boundaries of lore.
RE: Gender roles - LiadansWhisper - 07-06-2014
(07-06-2014, 07:45 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote:(07-06-2014, 06:13 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: From what they tell us in threads, Sunseeker tribes are primarily run by females - the Nunhs are pretty much never the heads of the tribe. Â But, the only Sunseeker tribe we see in-game is being run by a Nunh.
Minor correction: they're primarily run by people who are not nunh.
EDIT: That said, it's a total grey area for the development of backgrounds, so either way you do it, you'll be within the boundaries of lore.
Oh man. Â I like my theory better, darnit. Â >.>
RE: Gender roles - Kellach Woods - 07-06-2014
Yeah those are just like, the very obvious inconsistencies that I found just playing the game.
RE: Gender roles - Naunet - 07-07-2014
(07-06-2014, 08:37 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: Oh man. Â I like my theory better, darnit. Â >.>
It's a better theory and there's no evidence saying women don't lead Seeker tribes. Be at peace!
RE: Gender roles - Roswyn - 07-07-2014
When I was leveling my first character I was rather taken aback at the amount of rape and implied rape there is in this game in quests. What shocked me even more was when I brought it up to my FC no one else seemed to remember it.
Think about that one. I really disliked the way Squeenix used rape to drive it quests in FF14. (Ala Migo and Ishgard and two places that come to mind that had these quests.) It massively destroyed my immersion. Here I am, playing this awesome strong female character. She's this warrior of light collecting these crystals and defeating the Garleans and....oh. Rape. Great. Always against females too.
I get the feeling that Squeenix wants to have the convenience of placing woman in strong roles while at the same time subtly reminding us that they are physically weaker. Or the "majority" are weaker. MMO's like WoW head this off at the pass by blatantly saying in the game manual that there is no difference between males and females stat-wise in Azeroth. As far as I am aware, FF14 makes no such distinction.