(10-23-2014, 11:45 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:

(10-23-2014, 11:35 AM)Askier Wrote: Also, the biggest issue is, expect to be thwarted and eventually have to pay for your crimes.  This happens.  Sooner or later everyone loses.  Osric lost to Jin'li, just as Jin'li lost and died to Osric later.  People are out to stop you and even if you are stopped, and are given a trial, and fake your own death, and then become a Flame, like Askier, there is a stigma your character will forever bear.  It's a strange sensation, but it will happen.  Even to this day Askier is discriminated against in character for his actions byt other PC's and that is an organic development but can be tough if you aren't ready for it because you'll love to grow your 'villain' and seeing this not work out for them social can be disheartening.

Everyone ever signing on to play a villain-type should be forced to read this and sign a document stating they've read it.

Quote:Number two: Be prepared to lose. We're the villains in other people's arcs, and they often (if not usually) want to emerge the victorious hero. This means we'll be in a position where people want us to take our lumps. Accept this. Since we are going to be asked to lose (or at least not win) frequently, you should develop good OOC communication habits: Tell people OOCly what sort of losses you're not willing to suffer - for C'kayah, I always let people know that I'm unwilling for him to be killed, maimed, or imprisoned for long periods. Some discussion of the arc, and especially the time commitment, is good, too. I've had a few misunderstandings with people for failing to do this, and there have been arcs that have been simply dropped because some of the people involved decided that they didn't want to participate for as long as the arc was going to run.

(10-23-2014, 02:24 PM)C Wrote:

Quote:Number two: Be prepared to lose. We're the villains in other people's arcs, and they often (if not usually) want to emerge the victorious hero. This means we'll be in a position where people want us to take our lumps. Accept this. Since we are going to be asked to lose (or at least not win) frequently, you should develop good OOC communication habits: Tell people OOCly what sort of losses you're not willing to suffer - for C'kayah, I always let people know that I'm unwilling for him to be killed, maimed, or imprisoned for long periods. Some discussion of the arc, and especially the time commitment, is good, too. I've had a few misunderstandings with people for failing to do this, and there have been arcs that have been simply dropped because some of the people involved decided that they didn't want to participate for as long as the arc was going to run.

(10-23-2014, 01:15 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: So drinking at Drybones would definitely not make any sense since that place is overrun by Brass Blades and Immortal Flames because they have to deal with Amaljaa everytime from the south.

(10-23-2014, 02:29 PM)Aya Wrote:

(10-23-2014, 01:15 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: So drinking at Drybones would definitely not make any sense since that place is overrun by Brass Blades and Immortal Flames because they have to deal with Amaljaa everytime from the south.

Unless, you know, you just consider that its a remote tavern location that rarely has anyone to be bothered by the fact that you're being publicly villainous.  Nowhere has to be -perfect-, and I really don't care if some NPC Blades have their feelings hurt (considering that their hands are full with other work, anyway, it doesn't seem likely that they would be too concerned with Ul'dahn-based law enforcement, its like the Wild West out there).  Either there or the Coffin and Coffer seem like they would be fine representative spots for more villainous characters to hang out.

(10-23-2014, 02:29 PM)Aya Wrote:

(10-23-2014, 01:15 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: So drinking at Drybones would definitely not make any sense since that place is overrun by Brass Blades and Immortal Flames because they have to deal with Amaljaa everytime from the south.

Unless, you know, you just consider that its a remote tavern location that rarely has anyone to be bothered by the fact that you're being publicly villainous.  Nowhere has to be -perfect-, and I really don't care if some NPC Blades have their feelings hurt (considering that their hands are full with other work, anyway, it doesn't seem likely that they would be too concerned with Ul'dahn-based law enforcement, its like the Wild West out there).  Either there or the Coffin and Coffer seem like they would be fine representative spots for more villainous characters to hang out.

(10-23-2014, 02:26 PM)Aldotsk Wrote:

(10-23-2014, 02:24 PM)C Wrote:

Quote:Number two: Be prepared to lose. We're the villains in other people's arcs, and they often (if not usually) want to emerge the victorious hero. This means we'll be in a position where people want us to take our lumps. Accept this. Since we are going to be asked to lose (or at least not win) frequently, you should develop good OOC communication habits: Tell people OOCly what sort of losses you're not willing to suffer - for C'kayah, I always let people know that I'm unwilling for him to be killed, maimed, or imprisoned for long periods. Some discussion of the arc, and especially the time commitment, is good, too. I've had a few misunderstandings with people for failing to do this, and there have been arcs that have been simply dropped because some of the people involved decided that they didn't want to participate for as long as the arc was going to run.

I honestly have to say that most villains always go into the path of "Team Rocket's Blasting off again!" or "I'll get you next time Gadget!" - but what the statement above pretty says everything about how one should play as villain.

(10-23-2014, 02:29 PM)Aya Wrote:

(10-23-2014, 01:15 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: So drinking at Drybones would definitely not make any sense since that place is overrun by Brass Blades and Immortal Flames because they have to deal with Amaljaa everytime from the south.

Unless, you know, you just consider that its a remote tavern location that rarely has anyone to be bothered by the fact that you're being publicly villainous.  Nowhere has to be -perfect-, and I really don't care if some NPC Blades have their feelings hurt (considering that their hands are full with other work, anyway, it doesn't seem likely that they would be too concerned with Ul'dahn-based law enforcement, its like the Wild West out there).  Either there or the Coffin and Coffer seem like they would be fine representative spots for more villainous characters to hang out.

(10-23-2014, 03:20 AM)Tiergan Wrote:

(10-23-2014, 12:29 AM)Boo the Hamster Wrote: What's funny is that was what my character was going to be like before, well, everything happened in RP.

Still, be careful with the heretic route.  There will be a time where eventually you /will/ end up as the raving mad Harrier, or eventually turn into an Aevis yourself.  At least, if you go down that path, that's what I think should happen, but who's to say if you involve the Echo or what not.

Is there any lore info on heretics?  Do they ALL go raving bonkers or only some of them?  The guy in the MSQ seemed fairly lucid and only turned into a dragon when cornered.

(10-23-2014, 03:04 PM)Boo the Hamster Wrote:

(10-23-2014, 03:20 AM)Tiergan Wrote:

(10-23-2014, 12:29 AM)Boo the Hamster Wrote: What's funny is that was what my character was going to be like before, well, everything happened in RP.

Still, be careful with the heretic route.  There will be a time where eventually you /will/ end up as the raving mad Harrier, or eventually turn into an Aevis yourself.  At least, if you go down that path, that's what I think should happen, but who's to say if you involve the Echo or what not.

Is there any lore info on heretics?  Do they ALL go raving bonkers or only some of them?  The guy in the MSQ seemed fairly lucid and only turned into a dragon when cornered.

Could be some, could be all on the raving bonkers bit, but there's terribly little lore right now.  Hopefully more comes Tuesday, but you get your subtle in the MSQ of 2.0, then you get the fanaticism that's expected from Ishgard's tales in Stone Vigil Hard.

Though it did seem that they are completely obsessed with Dravania and serving them as a whole if all of the Harriers in Stone Vigil hard had a say in that.

The ones you stun or they turn into Aevis?  They've done some ritual and are far gone with their sanity.  All that 'blood and fire!' shouting and whatnot before and after transformation points that out. Just because some crazy people sound lucid doesn't mean they arn't crazy. Just my two cents.

(10-23-2014, 02:24 PM)Tiergan Wrote: However, if he spends all of his time keeping his ass covered and outwardly being 'good', how do I ever find the chance to let him be antagonistic towards anyone?  ;A;

It sounds like Sophia's right, I'd have to actually create a plot to develop a scenario where he'd be an antagonist.

(10-23-2014, 04:11 PM)Knahli Wrote:

(10-23-2014, 02:24 PM)Tiergan Wrote: However, if he spends all of his time keeping his ass covered and outwardly being 'good', how do I ever find the chance to let him be antagonistic towards anyone?  ;A;

It sounds like Sophia's right, I'd have to actually create a plot to develop a scenario where he'd be an antagonist.

I'm not sure I understand. If you wanted to avoid having a plot then why are you even suggesting being an antagonist? Why kind of RP could you possibly be seeking from people without some sort of foundation to run off of? Do you want your character to be a villain(and therefore have an objective/goals) or do you just want him to be a jerk to people that are against his personal cause?

(10-23-2014, 04:29 PM)Tiergan Wrote:

(10-23-2014, 04:11 PM)K Wrote:

(10-23-2014, 02:24 PM)Tiergan Wrote: However, if he spends all of his time keeping his ass covered and outwardly being 'good', how do I ever find the chance to let him be antagonistic towards anyone?  ;A;

It sounds like Sophia's right, I'd have to actually create a plot to develop a scenario where he'd be an antagonist.

I'm not sure I understand. If you wanted to avoid having a plot then why are you even suggesting being an antagonist? Why kind of RP could you possibly be seeking from people without some sort of foundation to run off of? Do you want your character to be a villain(and therefore have an objective/goals) or do you just want him to be a jerk to people that are against his personal cause?

I'm not adverse to having a plot at all.  However, having one usually means I have to take the time to plan stuff out, herd folks together, see if they're even interested in whatever plot I'm cooking up in the first place, see if they're free to RP with me and if our schedules even match, etc - which, while very rewarding if successful - can also be very time-consuming.  

Unfortunately, I don't really have a lot of free time these days, which is the one and only reason why orchestrating a plot just to play an antagonist is kind of a bummer for me.

A lot of my RP on characters these days develops naturally and organically just by interacting with people and engaging with them.  I was hoping there was a way to RP a character with a more villainous slant with people in a similar way - where rivalry, challenge, and opposition is organic and develops on its own, which was why I made this thread hoping for any tips.  

I guess I'll just have to sit and think more on what I want and whether those things can even be achievable RPing in a more organic way or if I *have* to plan out a ton of stuff in advance.

(10-23-2014, 02:24 PM)C Wrote:

(10-23-2014, 11:45 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:

(10-23-2014, 11:35 AM)Askier Wrote: Also, the biggest issue is, expect to be thwarted and eventually have to pay for your crimes.  This happens.  Sooner or later everyone loses.  Osric lost to Jin'li, just as Jin'li lost and died to Osric later.  People are out to stop you and even if you are stopped, and are given a trial, and fake your own death, and then become a Flame, like Askier, there is a stigma your character will forever bear.  It's a strange sensation, but it will happen.  Even to this day Askier is discriminated against in character for his actions byt other PC's and that is an organic development but can be tough if you aren't ready for it because you'll love to grow your 'villain' and seeing this not work out for them social can be disheartening.

Everyone ever signing on to play a villain-type should be forced to read this and sign a document stating they've read it.

Yep! This is a big one. To reinforce this, here's the relevant section from the Tylwyth Narah new member's guide:

Quote:Number two: Be prepared to lose. We're the villains in other people's arcs, and they often (if not usually) want to emerge the victorious hero. This means we'll be in a position where people want us to take our lumps. Accept this. Since we are going to be asked to lose (or at least not win) frequently, you should develop good OOC communication habits: Tell people OOCly what sort of losses you're not willing to suffer - for C'kayah, I always let people know that I'm unwilling for him to be killed, maimed, or imprisoned for long periods. Some discussion of the arc, and especially the time commitment, is good, too. I've had a few misunderstandings with people for failing to do this, and there have been arcs that have been simply dropped because some of the people involved decided that they didn't want to participate for as long as the arc was going to run.

(10-23-2014, 05:33 PM)Knahli Wrote: Oh no, I understand that... but imagine you were in a perfect world where no-one minded how you treated their characters, then what would you hope to go for when engaging with normal people? Or is it just that you genuinely have no idea how you should/want to interact with people but want to explore a villainous dynamic in the hopes that something eventually forms unto itself? (Even with the latter I don't totally understand since without a plot concept then I don't know how you are hoping for things to progress for yourself).


Anyways, sorry if I am asking too many questions or being annoying! ;