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RE: Opinions on Padjal Characters? - Desu Nee - 02-21-2015

(02-21-2015, 11:34 AM)Edvyn Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 11:32 AM)Desu Nee Wrote: And his wipe is crushing the Arena with a hamburguer


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Adds confirmed. 

SE please listen we did all your work.

RE: Opinions on Padjal Characters? - Khoure - 02-21-2015

(02-21-2015, 11:19 AM)Edvyn Wrote: i had the idea for a plotline involving ancient, never-before-seen primals where i lead a couple players through this long convoluted series of connected events and they see strange M-shaped runes everywhere they go and then at the very end they find out that these never-before-seen primals are just ronald mcdonald, grimace, birdie and hamburglar. only the burger king can save eorzea from the impending big mac attack.

i'm not sure if you wanted a reply for this, but okay. I should have clarified to, any idea can be written if one is serious about it. Obviously, there is no one willing to be serious about writing something like that. And in addition, the ability to write something well is sort of like an exponential graph, difficulty approaching infinity as you approach the asymptote of "nothing to do with canon whatsoever" that being said, Padjal are actually a thing in canon, and imho while definitely not near 0 difficulty, certainly not near infinite difficulty either. Something approaching infinite difficulty would be like someone trying a weird crossover as you've proposed.

RE: Opinions on Padjal Characters? - Edvyn - 02-21-2015

(02-21-2015, 11:46 AM)Khoure Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 11:19 AM)Edvyn Wrote: i had the idea for a plotline involving ancient, never-before-seen primals where i lead a couple players through this long convoluted series of connected events and they see strange M-shaped runes everywhere they go and then at the very end they find out that these never-before-seen primals are just ronald mcdonald, grimace, birdie and hamburglar. only the burger king can save eorzea from the impending big mac attack.

i'm not sure if you wanted a reply for this, but okay. I should have clarified to, any idea can be written if one is serious about it. Obviously, there is no one willing to be serious about writing something like that. And in addition, the ability to write something well is sort of like an exponential graph, difficulty approaching infinity as you approach the asymptote of "nothing to do with canon whatsoever" that being said, Padjal are actually a thing in canon, and imho while definitely not near 0 difficulty, certainly not near infinite difficulty either. Something approaching infinite difficulty would be like someone trying a weird crossover as you've proposed.
but king moggle mog was a fairytale among the moogles made reality by the power of mass belief. if a significant group (the fry kids) believed in the mcprimals and undertook the necessary mcrituals to summon them, couldn't the mcprimals happen just like king moggle mog did?

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RE: Opinions on Padjal Characters? - FreelanceWizard - 02-21-2015

(02-21-2015, 11:58 AM)Edvyn Wrote: but king moggle mog was a fairytale among the moogles made reality by the power of mass belief. if a significant group (the fry kids) believed in the mcprimals and undertook the necessary rituals to summon them, couldn't the mcprimals happen just like king moggle mog did?

And then you have Saint Shiva, who while ostensibly a living being at one point, wasn't a god, as well as Enkidu, who's just an average monster that isn't even from this universe. Phoenix was essentially conjured into existence despite the people desiring protection not specifically praying for it. There's definitely a lot of stuff regarding "Primals" and their summoning that the Ascians (and the devs) are holding close to their chest. Even Louisoix's explanation of Phoenix in Final Coil doesn't entirely clarify the matter.

So... yeah. Metaphysically, it seems like if you got the Fry Kids together with enough crystals and strong enough belief, you could indeed summon the McPrimals.

Not that I'd advise that one do such a plot, mind you. Smile

RE: Opinions on Padjal Characters? - Magellan - 02-21-2015

(02-21-2015, 11:46 AM)Khoure Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 11:19 AM)Edvyn Wrote: i had the idea for a plotline involving ancient, never-before-seen primals where i lead a couple players through this long convoluted series of connected events and they see strange M-shaped runes everywhere they go and then at the very end they find out that these never-before-seen primals are just ronald mcdonald, grimace, birdie and hamburglar. only the burger king can save eorzea from the impending big mac attack.

i'm not sure if you wanted a reply for this, but okay. I should have clarified to, any idea can be written if one is serious about it. Obviously, there is no one willing to be serious about writing something like that. And in addition, the ability to write something well is sort of like an exponential graph, difficulty approaching infinity as you approach the asymptote of "nothing to do with canon whatsoever" that being said, Padjal are actually a thing in canon, and imho while definitely not near 0 difficulty, certainly not near infinite difficulty either. Something approaching infinite difficulty would be like someone trying a weird crossover as you've proposed.
There's a standard baseline in communal RP as far as what is acceptable and what isn't. Due to sheer number of players, this baseline has to be watered down, with stricter adherence to lore than the baseline in... say an FC or a small group.

In other words; safe. Communal RP has to be safe, otherwise you stretch and bend lore in all kinds of weird, contorted directions, until what you are left with is Tera; a game that really had very little lore, and a straaaannnnggggeeee variety of rp characters like vampire princesses, and a thousand year old horse-warlock, and everyone and their brothers, mothers, and dogs played assassins.

Thing is, none of this was backed by lore. And none of it was necessarily disputed by lore either, because there was such a lack of it. I understand the tendency of others to shoot down ideas deemed too radical, as you then start to create that strange amalgam of mary sues, special snowflakes, power creep, etc. etc.

But the whole reason FC's and smaller groups exist, is because communal RP can be so vanilla. Too safe. People get so caught up in what is lore appropriate, and what will be accepted by the masses, that they can, in a very real sense, cripple their character of anything that would make them interesting. There is a skill in itself in making a 100% lore-friendly, will never offend anyone"S OOC sensibilities, character... well... interesting. People are constantly pushing and prodding the lore boundaries.... because the extraordinary is a lot more inspiring creatively to a lot of people, than just writing about an everyday joe.

With that said, there are some ideas, no matter how well written, that just will not find acceptance in the baseline communal rp. They muddy the waters far too much, and elevate that character above the efforts everyone else has put in to creating a workable, believable rp community. Those types of characters are much better off finding a small group, or an FC to rp in, that is more accepting of radical ideas.

Exploring new boundaries has always been a part of fantasy, but when you go far off the charted map, you can't expect the masses to follow you, because their interest lies in more identifiable, recognizable fiction.

RE: Opinions on Padjal Characters? - Desu Nee - 02-21-2015

The fact that this is becoming possible both amazes and terrifies me to no end.

RE: Opinions on Padjal Characters? - Edvyn - 02-21-2015

(02-21-2015, 12:09 PM)Desu Nee Wrote: The fact that this is becoming possible both amazes and terrifies me to no end.
IA IA RONALD MCDONALD
ZAMRAN MICALZODO RONALD MCDONALD
VRELPE MALPIRGE RONALD MCDONALD
ZODACARE OD ZODAMERANU RONALD MCDONALD
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THERE IS NOTHING SO CLEAN
AS MY BURGER MACHINE

RE: Opinions on Padjal Characters? - Flashhelix - 02-21-2015

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primal theme

RE: Opinions on Padjal Characters? - Edvyn - 02-21-2015

(02-21-2015, 12:27 PM)Flashhelix Wrote: [youtube]QWWsWP9bPAg[/youtube]
primal theme
if only that wonderful man were alive today Sad

RE: Opinions on Padjal Characters? - Flashhelix - 02-21-2015

(02-21-2015, 12:29 PM)Edvyn Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 12:27 PM)Flashhelix Wrote: [youtube]QWWsWP9bPAg[/youtube]
primal theme
if only that wonderful man were alive today Sad
[youtube]36lzxfEW6Mk[/youtube]

RE: Opinions on Padjal Characters? - Edvyn - 02-21-2015

(02-21-2015, 12:34 PM)Flashhelix Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 12:29 PM)Edvyn Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 12:27 PM)Flashhelix Wrote: [youtube]QWWsWP9bPAg[/youtube]
primal theme
if only that wonderful man were alive today Sad
[youtube]36lzxfEW6Mk[/youtube]
[youtube]szxp1f9EnP0[/youtube]
This beast comes out when it is 25 degrees below zero
It can rip your head off
It can fly as high as a bird
It can bite your face

RE: Opinions on Padjal Characters? - Khoure - 02-21-2015

(02-21-2015, 12:08 PM)Magellan Wrote: Exploring new boundaries has always been a part of fantasy, but when you go far off the charted map, you can't expect the masses to follow you, because their interest lies in more identifiable, recognizable fiction.

yeah, that's par for the course. My point was just "yes it can feasibly be written into a well rounded character that is interesting" not "yes it can be made into a character that everyone can/should acknowledge" And based on your post, we both can agree on that.

RE: Opinions on Padjal Characters? - Flashhelix - 02-21-2015

(02-21-2015, 12:37 PM)Edvyn Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 12:34 PM)Flashhelix Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 12:29 PM)Edvyn Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 12:27 PM)Flashhelix Wrote: [youtube]QWWsWP9bPAg[/youtube]
primal theme
if only that wonderful man were alive today Sad
[youtube]36lzxfEW6Mk[/youtube]
[youtube]szxp1f9EnP0[/youtube]
This beast comes out when it is 25 degrees below zero
It can rip your head off
It can fly as high as a bird
It can bite your face
[youtube]-MEpNG_lEeM[/youtube]
batman got my nerves
he was running me amok
he ridiculed me calling me a bum

RE: Opinions on Padjal Characters? - Edvyn - 02-21-2015

(02-21-2015, 12:41 PM)Flashhelix Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 12:37 PM)Edvyn Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 12:34 PM)Flashhelix Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 12:29 PM)Edvyn Wrote:
(02-21-2015, 12:27 PM)Flashhelix Wrote: [youtube]QWWsWP9bPAg[/youtube]
primal theme
if only that wonderful man were alive today Sad
[youtube]36lzxfEW6Mk[/youtube]
[youtube]szxp1f9EnP0[/youtube]
This beast comes out when it is 25 degrees below zero
It can rip your head off
It can fly as high as a bird
It can bite your face
[youtube]-MEpNG_lEeM[/youtube]
batman got my nerves
he was running me amok
he ridiculed me calling me a bum
he was a fucking asshole in the first place

RE: Opinions on Padjal Characters? - allgivenover - 02-21-2015

(02-21-2015, 10:43 AM)Hihimi Himi Wrote: I don't even know why this is so taboo, tbh, White mages that AREN'T padjal seem more taboo to me. Mind explaining that, anyone?

A good part of the community considers being a WHM taboo.

Part of it is that we can be WHMs in game, but we can't be Padjal. There's nothing you can do in game to visibly represent the Padjal horns. On top of that they're part of a small, elite cabal personally chosen by a great power in the world. It just makes it difficult to RP with the greater community.

Could you write an interesting, well-rounded original character that is a Padjal? Absolutely. But this sort of thing is better suited for fanfiction rather than roleplay.

Having said that, you should do whatever you need to do to have fun without being an asshole. I am very sure there's a ton of RPers who don't come to this forum to find approval engaging in RP that everyone here would sneer at. I once had an idea for a "disgraced" Padjal that had lost everything, but there really wasn't anything in the lore to go on with it, so I dropped it after realizing it would be extremely problematic. 

If you really want to play a Padjal, play one. Find a group that's ok with it and just RP with them and don't worry about outsiders or what this forum thinks.