(05-07-2015, 03:58 PM)allgivenover Wrote: Bend the lore as far as you can without breaking it. But keep in mind that good lore bending won't ever get decimated by new lore, only slightly modified.

(05-07-2015, 03:54 PM)Verad Wrote:

(05-07-2015, 03:50 PM)Kayllen Wrote: I would change it to whatever the proscribed style of fighting is in the lore, since, by the given example such a proscribed style of fighting would be highly detailed in said content drop. 

Adding to that it can simply be something passed down from father to son, too. It doesn't really change anything to do with the character and the back story is easily tailored to accommodate such a change.

I'd also be pretty surprised if SE ever did such a thing since 'fighting styles' in FF14 are almost all singularly based on the weapon rather than how that weapon is used. It's an extremely unlikely hypothetical but there you have it.

Also I see you perused my character wiki which makes you like... the fifth person in the world to do so lol. A couple points of clarification: the Circle of Blades was only taught in that group of Temple Knights as a means of perfect defense. Said group of Temple Knights were all wiped out due to a political betrayal. It is possible for the fighting style to be used with weapons other than sword-and-shield as it is a mindset more than a fighting style though it does favor the sword by virtue of its original design (La Destreza Spanish Fencing). Lastly there are only likely a small handful of surviving practitioners and only one of those is confirmed (Kayllen).

Regardless SE coming in to say "the TK's only fight THIS way and NO OTHER WAY, is not going to be a problem as I've taken all that into account beforehand. =)

I have no interest in whether or not SE will or will not actually do this. The question is a hypothetical. Plausibility rarely matters.

That said, while you say it's a fighting style, your wiki also very clearly explains how it has a definite impact on a student's psychology, to the extent that you explicitly state its students have to learn not to think that way. If it turns out that the fighting style of the Temple Knights is one which similarly influences psychology to the extent that they are all, say, completely sincere and openly emotional in contrast to the absence of emotion that your current style describes, will Kayllen's psychology change to follow suit?

(05-07-2015, 04:04 PM)Yssen Wrote: The fun part is that we are finding out more and more that things are not that rigid.

There are many Dragoons (Heavensward Trailer), there have been and are other WHMs besides the Padjal and the WoL (Y'shtola and Amdapoor Secrets), and so on.

It also works both in the opposite direction, we recently found out that Au Ra are not specifically draconic in lineage. Wildwoods found out in the Gelmorra Lore Bomb from a while back that they might have very much been in the wrong as far as their conflict with the Duskies goes. That same lore bomb, and other snippets have turned a Gridanian RPers idea that the Elementals are a force for good a bit on ear by talking about what they do, and revealing that they were not always in the Black Shroud. There are countless other examples going all the way back to 1.0 (hully crap, miqo culture. among other examples).

Lore is a living breathing thing. As the story of the game rolls on we will find out more and more stuff. More and more stuff will be hinted at. (We've been hearing that Garleans have third eyes since 1.0). We should all be prepared to be thrown sideways by Lore from time to time. What we should not do is deal in absolutes, and  commit to a strict stance because of those assumed absolutes. One just ends up being wrong in their strict stance half the time when that happens, and I have yet to see too many people say "Whoops I was wrong" at all when it happens. On either side of whatever issue. To pull an example from outside the FFXIV, no one saw a ton of support for R+L=J when they first read GoT. Several books, a show, and some re-reading with analysis a later and it is a widely supported theory. We must emphasize theory. We don't know for sure until it is in print. We exist in the same place with regard to the game's lore.

In conclusion we must be flexible. None of us knows all of anything. We didn't write any of this world, we just play in it and read it as the secrets come out. We all have theories, but none of us is more right than anyone else until we see it in print. We should remember this as we take stances on things.

(05-07-2015, 04:12 PM)Kayllen Wrote: This discussion is pretty enjoyable, so far!

(05-07-2015, 04:25 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: -snip-

(05-07-2015, 04:28 PM)Melkire Wrote:

(05-07-2015, 04:25 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: -snip-

Pitch for Warren: Square-Enix clarifies in new lore dump that the Coliseum is the only Syndicate-sanctioned fighting arena and that all other tournaments have long since been outlawed throughout Thanalan, thereby effectively retconning the Grindstone out of existence as far as headcanon goes. What would Warren be doing instead?

I'd throw a pitch at everyone who's ever posted in this thread but I'm at work, don't have the time, and I feel like Warren cheated his way out of a real answer in his original post. I challenge everyone to try and answer the prompt, though.

(05-07-2015, 04:36 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:

(05-07-2015, 04:28 PM)Melkire Wrote:

(05-07-2015, 04:25 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: -snip-

Pitch for Warren: Square-Enix clarifies in new lore dump that the Coliseum is the only Syndicate-sanctioned fighting arena and that all other tournaments have long since been outlawed throughout Thanalan, thereby effectively retconning the Grindstone out of existence as far as headcanon goes. What would Warren be doing instead?

I'd throw a pitch at everyone who's ever posted in this thread but I'm at work, don't have the time, and I feel like Warren cheated his way out of a real answer in his original post. I challenge everyone to try and answer the prompt, though.

That's a good one. If third-party combat was illegal entirely, and always was without the Coliseum's sanction, I'd probably 1) poll the people at the GS if they cared and 2) drink a lot.

First things that come to mind: If it's illegal in Thanalan, we go outside of Thanalan. Set up shop in the foothills of Mor Dhona, or somewhere else that wouldn't mind. That'd make it a stretch to get Warren involved, due to him being anchored there, but I'm sure I could find a reason or three to get him outside.

Could also just handwave it in and say that the Grindstone has and has always had sanction from the Coliseum and treat it straight-up like a farm league. The Coliseum is where the REAL fighters go, but they've got to learn to raise those shields somewhere. The Grindstone would become the place where it lived up to its namesake: The only fighters who came out of it were sharper than ever before. Everything else is dust in the desert.

If I was reconsidering a large retcon, I could empty out of the basement of my FC house and straight-up Fight Club the joint. I can't exactly fit 30 people in there right now, but I'm sure I could try and make it work. Conversely, this future sees everyone get sick of the chatspam and quit, and Operation Mayhem never completes.

(05-07-2015, 04:45 PM)Aya Wrote: Just tell the Syndicate, "Good Luck finding Blades willing to shut it down." :-]

(05-07-2015, 04:12 PM)Kayllen Wrote: Contrarily I'd submit that plausibility has a lot to do with it since you're delving into some drastic hyperbole in order to prove that, what? I would actually become upset if SE dropped a lore bomb that drastically affected my character? I wouldn't, ultimately it isn't that big of a deal because despite how some aspects of the character are pretty solid there's really nothing that could happen to him at this point that would ruin the character's narrative and story continuity due to extensive pre-planning beforehand. On a side note, your example would be an entirely unique 'style' in the wide world of martial pursuits, though I can appreciate your intent.

Quote:On to your question, though. I would say that his psychology wouldn't change nor would need to change. He's been out of the Temple Knights for nearly 6-7 years, at this point and having left under rather 'curious' circumstances his entire life away from Ishgard has been one of having to be someone he necessarily isn't. It would be of practically little-to-no effort to shift the narrative from the training necessitating his mental state to his circumstances being the reasons for it. Again, this comes from a lot of pre-planning and from using real life historical representations of both martial arts and psychology. =)

This discussion is pretty enjoyable, so far!

(05-07-2015, 04:17 PM)Melkire Wrote:

(05-07-2015, 04:04 PM)Yssen Wrote: -snipped my own things!_

So to pose the writing prompt to you:

Let's say Square-Enix retcons out the old 1.0 lore regarding vengeance orders. Or maybe they expand on the lore and a mention comes up that Duskwight Elezen are not and have never been accepted into the Immortal Flames due to rampant racism. How would you handle adjustments to your character, their history, your headcanon, etc