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RE: Roleplaying etiquette for open world on Balmung - McBeefâ„¢ - 06-13-2015
(06-13-2015, 01:47 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: There's nothing wrong with that at all. Most people are pretty accommodating. My issue is with what TheLastCandle was talking about, which is people who don't ask but demand -- and make rather unreasonable demands, such as "don't talk OOC near us, we're RPing." There's a reasonable middle ground.
I'd agree with this. There is a certain amount of tolerance everyone must have for disruption. If you 100% do not want any ooc stuff going on, then go to a house and lock the door.
Otherwise you have to put up with a certain level of ooc background noise.
RE: Roleplaying etiquette for open world on Balmung - Qhora Bajihri - 06-13-2015
(06-13-2015, 01:39 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: it does us no favors to also start making demands of fellow players when they're doing normal things that cause no harm.
And that's my problem with the original thread. The person's setting themselves up as a victim of... completely normal (even relatively polite in the grander scheme of how responses can go) behavior.
And referring to it as "such selflessness" as if she's doing everyone else a favor by engaging in roleplay? If she's not doing it for her own enjoyment, why is she doing it at all? Does she expect all other players and characters to give her the royal treatment just because it's "the central hub of a roleplay server"?
Nothing she did was wrong, per se, but the ultimate attitude she has about all of the situation is unforgiving and unfriendly. If she wasn't trying so hard to be "selfless" she might have focused instead on the interactions she did enjoy, perhaps even been in awe of the fact that no one spammed dragoon spins on her head in a location that is only an RP hub by mutual consent rather than rule enforcement. Maybe she wouldn't have focused on the little things like being called crazy IC, which I have done and had done to me a LOT, and never questioned it as a perfectly viable and even appropriate response.
I feel like this needs a Fry meme with something like "not sure if actually feeling entitled or being facetiously critical of other people's senses of entitlement."
RE: Roleplaying etiquette for open world on Balmung - TheLastCandle - 06-13-2015
(06-13-2015, 01:47 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: There's nothing wrong with that at all. Most people are pretty accommodating. My issue is with what TheLastCandle was talking about, which is people who don't ask but demand -- and make rather unreasonable demands, such as "don't talk OOC near us, we're RPing." There's a reasonable middle ground.
Exactly this! Mutual respect makes me feel warm and fuzzy. Like, I have a lot of friends who don't RP at all, but go as far as to use "(( ))" or brackets to enclose their words when they're talking in open chat near a group of roleplayers, just as a way of letting them know to "Ignore this statement that is entirely irrelevant to what you're doing!" They don't have to do it, but it's a nice gesture.
RE: Roleplaying etiquette for open world on Balmung - Leanne - 06-13-2015
What I am going to was already said I guess, but, my personal etiquette is that thing I always love to insist: Your freedom ends where others begins. It would be nice if everyone tried to find a middle ground to work with, or reach a compromise where both parties are satisfied. Trying to invariably tug things to be -your- way will very probably find you conflict. Heck, even trying to find a middle ground where there's divergence can find you conflict.
So...dunno, call it the hugbear treatment or whatever, but try to be understanding, try to be nice, and most important of all, try to be reasonable. I don't feel it hurts, and no one is more important than anyone. That's my personal opinion.
RE: Roleplaying etiquette for open world on Balmung - Fox - 06-13-2015
(06-13-2015, 01:49 PM)Leomoon Wrote:(06-13-2015, 01:15 AM)Foxberry Wrote: RP there if you want, enough said. But be polite, as Natalie said. I can't stress this enough. That doesn't mean your character can't be a jackass. I've rped a crab-ass kitty before, but oocly just be respectful of others.If I happened upon a RP running around I normally will watch OOCly and get close enough to hear all the characters, if I feel like joining I will ask them and people are normally very open to people jumping in.
I personally really enjoy reading rp so if others want to read mine that's fine by me.
I also enjoy it other people joining into my rp group, my status reads welcome to walk ups so what you're doing is great. 
RE: Roleplaying etiquette for open world on Balmung - LiadansWhisper - 06-14-2015
The original thread that this linked to, I went and read it. Â It honestly reminds me of subtweeting on Twitter. Â And just as useful.
I honestly don't see how anyone could enforce one set of RP etiquette on the entire server anyway. Â There's just too many people, and none of us have godmod ban powers.Â
RE: Roleplaying etiquette for open world on Balmung - Rahal - 06-14-2015
There isn't a place like Goldshire in FFXIV, most ERP I have found takes place in FC houses and usually in private rooms. It is a bit of a running joke among the people that I play with that people who spend a bit too much time in a private room "Must be ERPing" and we do tease each other about itÂ
.I rarely go to The Quicksand on Reiko anymore unless she is with other people. I have had one to many bad experiences there to the point where the people I play with consider dragging me over there ICly on any character a big deal.
When she had short hair I would get constant tells asking if she was a lesbian and bugging me for lesbian catgril ERP, even though 1) Reiko had a boyfriend a the time 2) Her sexuality really isn't something important to the character (Or something I haven't really thought too hard about, and really should not be any character's sole defining trait) given it's completely OOC of her to jump in bed with someone she just met regardless of genderÂ
 ) .She got the "Lightning Hair" back after growing it out after her friends encouraged her to do so (and being sick of called "boy" by one too many people ICly) and people ask if I'm playing a crossdresser or trangender character because she's extremely slender and slightly androgynous looking in certain clothes worn OOCly (Infantry Shirt, any kind of heavy armour, all baggy clothes)Â
.Being there alone on Rahal generally just gets me completely ignored with the odd "Are you playing a trap?" /tellÂ
. Yeah okay fine, Rahal being androgynous was deliberate, but still he only wore a dress once, and that was at a themed party, and he is not really interested in men anyway...I've come to the conclusion that The Quicksand is a wretched hive of scum and villainy, where occasionally some idiot might preposition an alone character OOCly for ERP. If you are there with friends, it's a nice little place to Rp. Going there alone? Hoo boy.Â
Also its a quest hub to be ready for trolls. I have found that most FC leaders are quite reasonable if you just send them a /tell to say they have some members trolling RPers. I've only ever had 2 FC leaders be rude or dismissive of it, and I've counted 6 instances of getting an apology from the players I reported to thier FC leader.
RE: Roleplaying etiquette for open world on Balmung - g0ne - 06-14-2015
Just be nice, friendly, respectful and level headed and calm. Also, communication. It's always good to speak up and try to clear up misunderstandings instead of zipping your mouth and letting things spiral out of control.Â
 Be honest. COMMUNICATION!Respect other people's boundaries and accept that not everyone's approaches to RP are the same.Â
And like Faye said, there's lots of nice and friendly RPers out there, but like in real life, it's always the notorious bits that go boom and are spoken of and known.
RE: Roleplaying etiquette for open world on Balmung - Faye - 06-14-2015
(06-14-2015, 12:32 PM)Rahal Wrote: I've come to the conclusion that The Quicksand is a wretched hive of scum and villainy, where occasionally some idiot might preposition an alone character OOCly for ERP. If you are there with friends, it's a nice little place to Rp. Going there alone? Hoo boy.Â
I'm sorry to say that sounds like a pretty extreme opinion, and I do have to wonder how often these negative experiences have truly happened, or if there was some sort of behavior conveyed to provoke them? I've spent a lot of time at the Quicksand (typically alone) across several characters (female Midlander, male Midlander, and three different catgirls, one of which dressing and acting particularly provocative) and I've received only the occasional blatant "Want to ERP?" tell, several of the more subtle "omg your character is so pretty! we should RP sometime!" tells, and had a single instance of a total stranger telling me all about how their character is a futa, and the majority of all this happened on my female Midlander; oddly enough the catgirls were usually left alone, probably since the Quicksand is so often overflowing with female Miqo'te.
Also, none of these people were particularly volatile. The people asking for ERP I told no thanks and they left me alone, didn't try to harass or guilt me about it. The people who complimented my character I thanked and we both moved alone. Even futa lady I just humored with a brief conversation before my replies tapered off and hers did, too. No one displayed any cause for me to be concerned or offended.
RE: Roleplaying etiquette for open world on Balmung - Rahal - 06-14-2015
"I don't believe this happened and you must have done something to make it your fault!" Is all I'm getting from this post. Sorry but have you any idea now very condescending and rude what you just said is?
if you want me to violate the forum ToS and name and shame that's one thing. If you genuinely believe that harassment is the fault of the person getting said harassment? That is another thing entirely that I have no words for.
RE: Roleplaying etiquette for open world on Balmung - Warren Castille - 06-14-2015
(06-14-2015, 03:02 PM)Rahal Wrote: "I don't believe this happened and you must have done something to make it your fault!" Is all I'm getting from this post. Sorry but have you any idea now very condescending and rude what you just said is?
if you want me to violate the forum ToS and name and shame that's one thing. If you genuinely believe that harassment is the fault of the person getting said harassment? That is another thing entirely that I have no words for.
That's not what's happening here. Your experiences aren't the norm.
Also, do you have any idea how condescending and rude it is for you to write off an entire RP hub as a "hive of scum and Star Wars references?" That does an excellent job of making people who choose to RP there feel like shit, you know.
RE: Roleplaying etiquette for open world on Balmung - Faye - 06-14-2015
(06-14-2015, 03:11 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:(06-14-2015, 03:02 PM)Rahal Wrote: "I don't believe this happened and you must have done something to make it your fault!" Is all I'm getting from this post. Sorry but have you any idea now very condescending and rude what you just said is?
if you want me to violate the forum ToS and name and shame that's one thing. If you genuinely believe that harassment is the fault of the person getting said harassment? That is another thing entirely that I have no words for.
That's not what's happening here. Your experiences aren't the norm.
Also, do you have any idea how condescending and rude it is for you to write off an entire RP hub as a "hive of scum and Star Wars references?" That does an excellent job of making people who choose to RP there feel like shit, you know.
^ This. Your experiences are not common, or at least are a far cry from mine and those of most people I know. I'm just wondering if you are just genuinely unlucky, if you are exaggerating (you'll have to excuse me for thinking this a possibility after you called the main RP hotspot " a wretched hive of scum of villainy" based off a few very personal experiences), or if you're doing something to provoke this sort of behavior to receive it so much more often than others. If something unpleasant happens to you more often than it does others, rather than externalize the blame, it's wise to do some introspection.
Maybe you really are just unfortunate and happen to attract all the weirdos each time you go to the Quicksand for no logical reason. I don't really know one way or the other. Either way, I did not at all ask for names or detailed accounts of what happened, only wondered at how often these negative experiences really occurred.
RE: Roleplaying etiquette for open world on Balmung - Aaron - 06-14-2015
The OP link was fun to read. If I was able to comment id probably have said something sarcastic like ". . . Well are you crazy? "
RE: Roleplaying etiquette for open world on Balmung - industrythirteen - 06-14-2015
To me, the whole thing just seems like a massive misunderstanding. I don't really know why the individual on the thread on the official forums felt the need to post about it, but they did. Now that it's known who was involved, and both sides of the story have been aired, I realize that this conversation is essentially taking place in two different places, and I don't know that that helps anybody.Â
If it were me, I'd talk to the person and help clear up any OOC misunderstandings. As I've said in threads past, I hate to see misunderstandings become full-out grievances. For me, it would be well worth the time to understand how we got to this point, and what I can do to unravel it so that everyone gets right with it. Maybe the official forum original poster needs a little guidance, maybe they're just confused, maybe there's been some over-reaction, but regardless, they felt the need to post about it, and I don't feel like I should judge anyone for it; neither party involved. I'd rather see this discussion foster positive community growth, and something good come out of it. However, I know that that is the decision of the parties involved, and whether they think it is worth their time or efforts.
RE: Roleplaying etiquette for open world on Balmung - Cato - 06-14-2015
If there's one thing I've learned over the years that I've role-played in various different MMO's it's that the experiences of various individuals can differ significantly across the board. I've found random role-play to be very hit and miss so far in FFXIV and some days visiting the likes of the Quicksand or the Bismarck leaves me satisfied whilst other days I'm left staring in disbelief at the sheer weirdness that goes on there from time to time.