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RE: So few Roe? - SessionZero - 10-02-2015

(10-02-2015, 02:08 PM)Dinah Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 02:03 PM)Calliope Cloverbloom Wrote: I dislike any MMO race that doesn't appear to have genetic consistency between the genders. In other words, if the males and the females don't appear to have originated from the same base organism (your gender isn't determined instantly upon conception - for awhile in the womb a person hasn't developed a gender yet), then it defies logic too hard for me. And yes, I know. Fantasy setting, fireballs out of thin air, where is your logic now. I know. Nevertheless.

In FFXIV, the two that scratch this "do not want" itch for me are the Roes and the Au Ra.
Umm what? They look like they're the same race. Only the Au Ra Look drastically different. The Roegadyn look much like Human Male and Females. If you put a Body Builder Male and Female the differences in appearance are about Roegadyn proportions.

Gonna second this. I don't see all that much disparity between male Roe and female Roe.

RE: So few Roe? - Cato - 10-02-2015

(10-02-2015, 02:00 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 01:52 PM)Graeham Wrote: Most role-players - and regular players - will drift towards the conventionally attractive or 'normal' races first and foremost. It's why the majority of characters in FFXIV are either Hyur or Miqo'te and the majority of characters in WoW are either Human or Blood Elves.

I won't lie - Roegadyn don't interest me in the slightest. I'll happily interact with them but I find them to be ridiculously oversized and I tire of how often they're just played as big, dumb brutes with the players behind them claiming that they'd easily overpower anybody they came across.

If someone's arm is the size of my entire midsection I usually give them benefit of the doubt.

That'd certainly apply when comparing a non-combatant with your typical Roegadyn but ultimately it's a Final Fantasy game. Real world realism isn't as important as realism subjective to the setting is. So I'm perfectly fine with the idea of a skilled Lalafell or Midlander beating up a Roegadyn because there's countless examples of stuff like that happening in-game.

RE: So few Roe? - Warren Castille - 10-02-2015

(10-02-2015, 02:33 PM)Graeham Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 02:00 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 01:52 PM)Graeham Wrote: Most role-players - and regular players - will drift towards the conventionally attractive or 'normal' races first and foremost. It's why the majority of characters in FFXIV are either Hyur or Miqo'te and the majority of characters in WoW are either Human or Blood Elves.

I won't lie - Roegadyn don't interest me in the slightest. I'll happily interact with them but I find them to be ridiculously oversized and I tire of how often they're just played as big, dumb brutes with the players behind them claiming that they'd easily overpower anybody they came across.

If someone's arm is the size of my entire midsection I usually give them benefit of the doubt.

That'd certainly apply when comparing a non-combatant with your typical Roegadyn but ultimately it's a Final Fantasy game. Real world realism isn't as important as realism subjective to the setting is. So I'm perfectly fine with the idea of a skilled Lalafell or Midlander beating up a Roegadyn because there's countless examples of stuff like that happening in-game.

Overpower =/= outskill. Too often people confuse literal strength for the characteristic of strength. It's plenty possible to be more skilled or practiced than someone larger than you, face them and win even if they're ten times stronger physically.

It's okay for logic to exist. Beating someone doesn't necessarily mean you're stronger. Losing doesn't mean you're weaker.

RE: So few Roe? - Eliane Dufresne - 10-02-2015

(10-02-2015, 01:52 PM)Graeham Wrote: Most role-players - and regular players - will drift towards the conventionally attractive or 'normal' races first and foremost.

I think this is true of the people you interact with as well. My main used to be a femroe (futa-free Tongue), and it's definitely been enlightening see how very few random people were immediately willing to interact with her versus a more conventionally pretty Elezen. I know a lot of that has to do with character personalities and professions as well, but I honestly think there's a bit of a bias, subconscious or no, that players have towards characters that look 'nice' even when RPing. That's not so much true in a closed environment like an FC where you have time to get to know everyone, but when trying to meet strangers? Just like RL, it's the conventionally pretty girls who tend to get the attention first. Wink

Personally I love Roes to death. But the difficulty in playing one is definitely why I rerolled. :/

RE: So few Roe? - Alexandr Nocturne - 10-02-2015

(10-02-2015, 03:12 PM)Eliane Dufresne Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 01:52 PM)Graeham Wrote: Most role-players - and regular players - will drift towards the conventionally attractive or 'normal' races first and foremost.

I think this is true of the people you interact with as well. My main used to be a femroe (futa-free Tongue), and it's definitely been enlightening see how very few random people were immediately willing to interact with her versus a more conventionally pretty Elezen. I know a lot of that has to do with character personalities and professions as well, but I honestly think there's a bit of a bias, subconscious or no, that players have towards characters that look 'nice' even when RPing. That's not so much true in a closed environment like an FC where you have time to get to know everyone, but when trying to meet strangers? Just like RL, it's the conventionally pretty girls who tend to get the attention first. Wink

Personally I love Roes to death. But the difficulty in playing one is definitely why I rerolled. :/

Which is a shame.  I think Xau'a would have fun with any of yours, assuming they weathered the initial storm of his shyness. Blush

RE: So few Roe? - Vyce - 10-02-2015

The difference between male and female Au Ra is laughable. Males at least look kinda cool if you get the settings right. Females look like tiny anime highschoolers. And the naming scheme on half the population is icing on the cake. Yandere-chan waiting for senpai to notice her. Possibly the only things more weeb than a Mi'Qote in a yukata.

I think Roes are pretty cool. I made on when I first started playing but realized the Highlanders have some of the best history to work with

RE: So few Roe? - Lydia Lightfoot - 10-02-2015

(10-02-2015, 02:08 PM)Dinah Wrote: Umm what? They look like they're the same race. Only the Au Ra Look drastically different. The Roegadyn look much like Human Male and Females. If you put a Body Builder Male and Female the differences in appearance are about Roegadyn proportions.

Fem Roes don't have even remotely the same build as males. I could go into a lengthy discussion of society's views about women's bodies, but suffice it to say, the women are muscular but still rather slim by comparison to the very stocky and thickly-built men. It's a "sell sex appeal" choice on the part of the developers rather than a choice made with a mind towards biological consistency.

RE: So few Roe? - myahele - 10-02-2015

I might switch to a Roe eventually, body proportion aside, I just don't like how small their head looks like relative to their body

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RE: So few Roe? - Vyce - 10-02-2015

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RE: So few Roe? - SessionZero - 10-02-2015

(10-02-2015, 05:42 PM)Vyce Wrote: [Image: salmonroe-big.jpg]

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RE: So few Roe? - Cailean Lockwood - 10-02-2015

... I don't get it.

Edit: Is the mod note about me? I dunno what's happened. O.O

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RE: So few Roe? - -no longer matters- - 10-02-2015

(10-02-2015, 04:22 PM)Calliope Cloverbloom Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 02:08 PM)Dinah Wrote: Umm what? They look like they're the same race. Only the Au Ra Look drastically different. The Roegadyn look much like Human Male and Females. If you put a Body Builder Male and Female the differences in appearance are about Roegadyn proportions.

Fem Roes don't have even remotely the same build as males. I could go into a lengthy discussion of society's views about women's bodies, but suffice it to say, the women are muscular but still rather slim by comparison to the very stocky and thickly-built men. It's a "sell sex appeal" choice on the part of the developers rather than a choice made with a mind towards biological consistency.
Well there's a few things to take into account here.

1.) There was never supposed to be Female Roegadyn in the first place, I'm sure if there were the males would have been sized down some, as the Male Roegadyn is the tailless spiritual successor to the Galka.

2.) The bone mass is pretty spot on between the two, the muscle mass not so much but Muscle mass between human male and females are also quite despairing when you look at what each sex is capable of body mass wise. The heights are on par and aren't anywhere near as disparaging as Au Ra. If you have a problem with Roegadyn you should have the same problem with Highlanders as they're mass sizes are also disproportional. The Men are much larger than the women, and facially they don't even look to be the same race as the men are more cromagnum/neanderthal cave man looking and the women look like your basic slightly larger Homosapiens

RE: So few Roe? - V'aleera - 10-02-2015

The only thing keeping me from being able to make a Roe is figuring out how to make a good face.

RE: So few Roe? - -no longer matters- - 10-02-2015

(10-02-2015, 08:01 PM)V Wrote: The only thing keeping me from being able to make a Roe is figuring out how to make a good face.
That depends on your definition of good, I've seen tons of good looking male and female Roegadyn. They are more of a fierce race than a cute race, so your definition of good vs mine may differ.

For example, I can't play a Female Miqo'toe because I find their faces boring and uninspired. You cleary play one so you don't feel the same way. 

So it's really all subjective.

RE: So few Roe? - Fox - 10-02-2015

(10-02-2015, 08:06 PM)Dinah Wrote:
(10-02-2015, 08:01 PM)V Wrote: The only thing keeping me from being able to make a Roe is figuring out how to make a good face.
That depends on your definition of good, I've seen tons of good looking male and female Roegadyn. They are more of a fierce race than a cute race, so your definition of good vs mine may differ.

For example, I can't play a Female Miqo'toe because I find their faces boring and uninspired. You clear play one so you don't feel the same way. 

So it's really all subjective.


I've seen some Roe with softer features. While still fierce they do have a different sort of look. I've actually seen some Roe rped with a cute personality as well. So really it's all subjective as you've said. But I do feel that all the races take some work to get an appealing appearance.