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RE: Why You Should Keep an Open Mind and Not Judge Other Roleplayers in Most Cases - Zhavi - 11-19-2015
(11-19-2015, 03:13 AM)Glioca Sargonnai Wrote:(11-19-2015, 02:42 AM)Zhavi Wrote:(11-18-2015, 10:29 PM)V Wrote:Disagree. Â I know pewople with behavior I see as assholish that I welcome from them to me, because of how they mean it and how I take it. Â They're rough, but it has lead to immense improvement in my writing.(11-18-2015, 09:20 PM)Zhavi Wrote: If you're saying don't be an asshole unnecessarily (sometimes the raw, brutal truth is a good thing), then I agree.
There is no situation where being an asshole is necessary. Truth can be delivered, even in a blunt and straight forward fashion, without being an asshole. That truth is also much more effectively delivered when done so with tact.
The only reason anyone has for ever being an asshole to someone else is because of the enjoyment they get from it. By all means, be an asshole as it pleases you, but don't pretend you're doing anyone a favor.
It's fantastic that you have people that you're willing to let be assholes to you. Everyone else isn't you, and you shouldn't expect them to deal well if you or someone else come at someone with a judgmental, confrontational, disparaging or demeaning attitude involving their writing or character concepts.Â
It's a ridiculous expectation of behavior that just because you're alright with it, it means that others will be as well. That's like saying you have one friend who is fine with you walking up to them and going 'Hey, Bitch, how ya been?'. Not every friend is going to be okay with that form of address directed at them.Â
Similarly, like it was stated earlier, respect is a two way street and it's easy to be respectful rather than going 'Rawr, your writing sucks and you should feel bad and only play in this way that I say is okay!'. Those 'assholes' could have gone at you in literally any other way, and it's likely you still would have gotten the message. And if you wouldn't have, that's still obstinate behavior on your part, and not an excuse for them to be an asshole to you, or for you or them to be an asshole to others.
So no, there is never a legitimate reason for being an asshole to someone. Just excuses people give to explain away themselves or others behaving that way.
Yo, I never said anywhere that I expect anyone to be anything or be ok with anything. All I stated was my own thought, in direct reply to thr OP. I've always been of the opinion that people cab do whatever the heck they want in regards to rp - that includes how they react to someone. But that was my opinion, I am not shoving it on you.
That said, the type of behavior I was referring to doesn't sound like it matches your definition of asshole, anyways.
Edit - you wanna keep discussing this send me a pm, this is way off topic.
RE: Why You Should Keep an Open Mind and Not Judge Other Roleplayers in Most Cases - Kismet - 11-20-2015
Everyone should just be like me and assume everyone just flat-out sucks from the get go. That way, when it turns out they're NOT shit, then I get to be pleasantly surprised! If not? Then I have nothing to be disappointed about because I already expected a lack of quality, so then I can be on my merry way.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
RE: Why You Should Keep an Open Mind and Not Judge Other Roleplayers in Most Cases - Garalona - 11-20-2015
(11-20-2015, 01:13 PM)Kismet Wrote: Everyone should just be like me and assume everyone just flat-out sucks from the get go. That way, when it turns out they're NOT shit, then I get to be pleasantly surprised! If not? Then I have nothing to be disappointed about because I already expected a lack of quality, so then I can be on my merry way.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You mean everyone doesn't do this?
You kids and your optimism.
RE: Why You Should Keep an Open Mind and Not Judge Other Roleplayers in Most Cases - -no longer matters- - 11-20-2015
Also as much as I hate to say this, I let OOC dictate who I want to RP with, like you could be the greatest RPer in the world, but if you're a dick OOC. I don't have time for that. But if you're a struggling RPer and you're super nice OOC I'll do what I can to help you out. Help get you on the path to being better, and RP with you even if others won't.
I've noticed a lot of people that do a lot of Prejudging about RP tend to be dicks, at least on here.
RE: Why You Should Keep an Open Mind and Not Judge Other Roleplayers in Most Cases - SuplexBunny - 11-30-2015
We all have a standard by which we RP with, as others have said, We gravitate towards people that generally have similar taste. For me for example, I'm quite flexible in what I like, I do think if one is on an MMO that the theme is the game itself, not Naruto, Bleach, etc. I will ERP. -Shrugs-Â
I don't care about what character someone wishes to portray as long as they can do it efficiently. If someone is an asshole character, they should convey it more than just bullying everyone. Like, an asshole can be snarky, clever, and sarcastic in the way they act as long as it's done in proper context, otherwise they come off as mischievous and a boring roleplayer because 99.9% of the time, you'll know how interactions with that character will go.
RE: Why You Should Keep an Open Mind and Not Judge Other Roleplayers in Most Cases - Edgar - 11-30-2015
(11-20-2015, 01:13 PM)Kismet Wrote: Everyone should just be like me and assume everyone just flat-out sucks from the get go. That way, when it turns out they're NOT shit, then I get to be pleasantly surprised! If not? Then I have nothing to be disappointed about because I already expected a lack of quality, so then I can be on my merry way.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Like I always say:Â
Pessimists go into something with one expectation: To be proven wrong.
RE: Why You Should Keep an Open Mind and Not Judge Other Roleplayers in Most Cases - g0ne - 12-04-2015
Okay, so one point I think no one pointed out (correct me of I'm wrong though) regarding the grammar and language issue is that not everyone's first language could be English. We say we want well structured, good quality posts, but what if the other person just wants to RP, but is unable to do so at the same level as us. Similarly, not everyone is gifted when it comes to writing, and everyone has different levels of education in languages. This is why I will give everyone a chance grammar and post wise. While constructive criticism is good, I will generally try to avoid it unless I know the person really well, because the other person is also a human, and could, even if there is the slightest chance, take it in a bad way.
So, no. I absolutely do not not RP (what...?) based on this category. People want to enjoy RP. And maybe if you, as a better RPer, by interacting with them can help them become a better RPer, then give them a chance, please.Â
I say all this because English is actually not my native tongue, and I know all too well the struggles of people who are not all that good at it, but want to be. Relate that to wanted to be good at RP post and content wise, and really, that is one thing that should not stop you from RPing.Â
Give the other person a chance. I'm sure they want to enjoy the game and RP just like you.
RE: Why You Should Keep an Open Mind and Not Judge Other Roleplayers in Most Cases - Valence - 12-04-2015
Being myself from another native language, I think it is a complicated issue. More than it looks.
I think there is a huge difference between grammar, and just syntax and mastery of language. Most foreigners to english i know, myself included, don't do that many grammar mistakes, because they already don't with their native language.
What they can do, however, is clumsy sentences, syntax mistakes, and bad phrasing, that kind of things. Especially when you still lack of practice in english, you will feel very limited.
But I think that most people actually writing actual trash grammar in english were a few english natives in my experience. Like you will find a few natives of your own language (in every language) writing like shit.
All il all, yes, more help and support for people in need is always good.
RE: Why You Should Keep an Open Mind and Not Judge Other Roleplayers in Most Cases - Nebbs - 12-04-2015
Just though I would drop in the link to a great piece on international RP by Ilw'ran.
http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=10111
RE: Why You Should Keep an Open Mind and Not Judge Other Roleplayers in Most Cases - Unnamed Mercenary - 12-04-2015
I usually let bad spelling and grammar slide within reason. (The idea that native English speakers making more mistakes is totally true from what I've done/seen.) If I'm able to figure out what a person's saying and especially if I know they're not a native speaker, I work more to make sure I understood the intent of the phrasing, if it was vague or strange.
I'm not nearly as forgiving for native speakers/writers making the same mistakes repeatedly when I know that they know better. A "teh" or minor spelling error is nothing. Half the time, I'm making the same typing errors from trying to type too fast or because reading quickly, I just self-correct it in my head. buT wen I c some1 typin something thats rong just becuz they dont wanna type correctly, I get mad. That's not only a disservice to people who aren't native speakers, but also to everyone else who tries to read it.
If I know someone is a non-native speaker, I'll ask for clarification if they say something strange. Or, if I'm able to figure out a pattern of something they're saying that isn't quite correct, I'll try to find a gentle way of helping them improve their English. Maybe it'll come out as me using the particular phrase or syntax they're messing up, or maybe it'll be something blunt like "I think you mean _____?" But that would only be done when there's a clear loss of information in the sentence or a very distinct difference of meaning.
RE: Why You Should Keep an Open Mind and Not Judge Other Roleplayers in Most Cases - FallenFedora - 12-06-2015
Quote:S'imba
The big one I've seen is taking absolutely everything a character says as truth and simply writing the rper off as a lore breaker. Which may be a complete lie on an ic level. There have been lots of characters S'imba knows that have tended to use terms to describe him that aren't remotely true about him. Some of it he'd deny other stuff he'd be too ignorant to know it's not true.Â
This has been something I found myself subjected to before -several- times over when I was RPing a baddie on another game some time ago. I've found that I have to now explicitly tell people that my character is going to lie to them, and break immersion and remove the surprising elements of the story I'm trying to tell just to appease a particular crowd and prevent them from telling me that I've just 'Meta-gamed my own character to suit my own circumstances'.
Most people enjoy the 'intrigue' based RP, but there's just as many out there that want it all laid out in a crisp and neat time table, with the who, what, where and why. I can't fault them, but these are the ones I tend to avoid. I prefer giving a vague outline of what's going to happen, with room for player choices and interactions to change the course of the story, and let it go from there. Not everyone is a fan of this, and that's quite alright.Â
I'm inclined to agree with the sentiments that fair grammar, punctuation and the like is a must, but I have some leniency for those whom do not claim English as their primary language. Details don't need to be rampant, but I'd like enough to paint a picture in my head when it comes to emotes, and for those details to fall within what is reasonably possible within the setting.
Beyond that, I've found several well fleshed out characters in the most unlikely of settings just by playing out my lecherous Miqo'te businessman (you know and love him Sig.) and making passes at people before revealing through interactions that he isn't the shallow ERP seeking turd that I'm sure a lot of people take him for; Not every character is the one you see at face value, just as it is with people. It can swing both ways - the cool looking RPers can turn out to be absolute crap down the road with little to no consistency and the wall flowers making only one or two posts can turn out to be the multi/para posters you've been trying to find this whole time that are stooped in story.
As for my own personal input? I'm in general agreement with Sig; While we don't need to participate in all forms of roleplay, we shouldn't rule anyone out as being beneath us either, unless they're -really- scraping the bottom of the barrel... So long as it fits the setting, and seems relevant therein, I'm inclined to at least acknowledge that it is there, regardless of whether or not I choose to jump into it. It's a big server, and there's a lot of people to share it with. In the end, RP is just one giant book with a helluva lotta authors. Just my two cents worth.
RE: Why You Should Keep an Open Mind and Not Judge Other Roleplayers in Most Cases - Khoure - 12-06-2015
(11-20-2015, 01:13 PM)Kismet Wrote: Everyone should just be like me and assume everyone just flat-out sucks from the get go. That way, when it turns out they're NOT shit, then I get to be pleasantly surprised! If not? Then I have nothing to be disappointed about because I already expected a lack of quality, so then I can be on my merry way.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
don't get me wrong, it's great that this method works for you, but it does not work for everyone
I know this might just be a joke, but you did use the term 'everyone' and I know that a lot of people IRL and on internet believe that pessimism is entirely more mature and smart than being optimistic or even ambivalent. It's one way of looking at things, is all. Personally, if I were to be so pessimistic regarding all new people I meet, it would be extremely draining seeing as I already become very stressed at times interacting socially
for the main topic, i agree with what seems to be the consensus: everyone should be allowed to seek out specific types of RP as a tool to filter out more enjoyment, but that shouldn't be turned into a method of judging those who don't fit into those specific types, nor should it be turned into a statement of what rp is better or more proper. After all, there really isn't any correct way to RP, and the grammar-poor hasty quicksand ERP is RP just as much as the months planned out, elaborate, no rules broken, immersion-centric RP is.
RE: Why You Should Keep an Open Mind and Not Judge Other Roleplayers in Most Cases - Kismet - 12-06-2015
(12-06-2015, 08:06 AM)Khoure Wrote:(11-20-2015, 01:13 PM)Kismet Wrote: Everyone should just be like me and assume everyone just flat-out sucks from the get go. That way, when it turns out they're NOT shit, then I get to be pleasantly surprised! If not? Then I have nothing to be disappointed about because I already expected a lack of quality, so then I can be on my merry way.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
don't get me wrong, it's great that this method works for you, but it does not work for everyone
I know this might just be a joke, but you did use the term 'everyone' and I know that a lot of people IRL and on internet believe that pessimism is entirely more mature and smart than being optimistic or even ambivalent. It's one way of looking at things, is all. Personally, if I were to be so pessimistic regarding all new people I meet, it would be extremely draining seeing as I already become very stressed at times interacting socially
The post was largely meant to be facetious. While I do use that philosophy for not only my approach to RP, but most things in life, I do not actually think everyone (or anyone) needs to do what I do.
In regards to the topic, my point was that despite how critical I personally am of the people I encounter, I still at least give them a chance. Because how will I know if I'm right or wrong if I don't even RP with them?