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RE: An EU server, for EU roleplayers - Swanmay - 05-19-2017
From a personal perspective, I think it's really a now or never situation. I'm certainly not suggesting everyone move and abandon the server they have come to call home, but creating a new EU-centric community would benefit a great many people in the long run. Particuarly as Balmung is closed to new characters and transfers for the time being.
I would like to say I have an alt that is ready to go, and I'll likely be starting an FC once we get the new servers so people can have some organised RP and newcomers can have a point of referral should they wish. Hopefully this will have an accompanying LS with it for those who don't want to join an FC just yet.
One concern that people seem to have is that RP will not thrive. Now, all I can really say to this is that it is up to us as a community to ensure that happens. It will be difficult at first, but if you want to see something happen then make it happen. Be the change you want to see in the server!
RE: An EU server, for EU roleplayers - matchstixs - 05-19-2017
You're right, Sig. However, if this were any other time I would be very much with you on the stance that this won't work. In this case, I am not.
They key difference? Transfers are free. This difference is near monumental. Whilst before I would agree that asking people to fork out $18 to transfer is too much and unlikely to foster a community, for free there is an unspeakable amount of freedom here. With an EU server we can have EU timed events, with proper ping, a more open housing market, gil xfer is near a non-issue - I can understand why people on Balmung may not want to transfer, but EU RPers that don't want to/can't play on Balmung? It's perfect.
With a fresh server, with a hefty gil limit (10m you, 5m retainers, that's minimum of 20m per character without any extra retainers? If they count. I'm not 100% sure), it's possible for entire FCs that are scattered across the EU Data-Center to finally converge without much/any personal loss and is also a place to flag for new players/RPers. They might even be able to upgrade FC or personal houses if they wanted to, thanks to the availability.
There is almost always more than one community on various MMOS, NA and EU. EU is nearly always the smallest and scattered as we are now, this is a wonderful chance to finally converge.
(( Also, as a note for housing. 60 per ward, twelve wards is 720. Four regions is 2,880 plots (provided Shirogane holds the same number). And 8,640 apartments. ))
Sorry if this came out a bit jumbled, I'm working on barely any sleep and I'm sick to boot xD
EDIT: SWANMAY SAID IT IS SO MUCH BETTER TERMS THAN I DID.
RE: An EU server, for EU roleplayers - Sig - 05-19-2017
(05-19-2017, 09:48 AM)Lulula Lulu Wrote:(05-19-2017, 09:07 AM)Sig Wrote: I challenge anyone who supports the effort to create an alternative RP server to explain how this initiative will be different than the numerous other failed attempts to create alternative RP servers. All prior attempts to create anything greater than a 20-50 person RP clique on another server have failed due to disorganization, conflicting player interests, and the lack of a player base large enough to sustain RP. This time will be no different.ÂYou are a NA player and can do both RP and PvE easily. EU players can't do both due to one little thing called LATENCY. I personally refuse to pay a monthly sub just for RP as I can't do anything other than that after the server move. EU server should be established.
Some posters express concern about the lack of EU events; however, it is very likely that there will be even /less/ events to attend if EU players break off from the general population and form their own community. There will also be less potential RP partners and types of RP. You will not have a sufficient player base to sustain a vibrant, diverse, and healthy RP community in the long-term.
It is one thing for a few new RPers who physically can't access Balmung at the present time to select a server to play on until Balmung is open for transfer, it's another thing to repeat the failed efforts of the past and divide a vibrant RP community.
And that is the difference between any former attempt and this one. We are forced to do this by a little fact that we can't play the game like we used to.
Actually, I have erratic play schedules and also can't partake of most NA timezone material. And most EU players I know hover around 150-200 ping after the database transfers, which is completely manageable [my ping from the west coast US used to be around that before data center relocation]. The sky does not appear to be falling for most EU players I know. I'm sorry you're having difficulties.
I still have not seen a viable argument how a server move will result in anything more than a tiny 20-50 person RP community. Free transfers will not fix things. Please understand that those types of communities are severely limited in scope of RP, content, frequency of RP, and generally taper off after a few months, rendering everyone's efforts wasted. RPers need large and vibrant central RP hubs, or RP ends up more about scrounging up participants than the actual content.
I don't want to see great EU RP'ers run off into the dark to form a tiny conclave of RP that gradually tapers off and dies over time. NA and EU RPers need each other. RP'ers need to stick together for the sake of quality RP, man. We need to bring it in for a giant Balmung group hug.
RE: An EU server, for EU roleplayers - Rosamund - 05-19-2017
(05-18-2017, 09:05 AM)Anehki Wrote: Hey guys,
I was wondering if anyone would be interested in making a EU FF Roleplayers discord for those interested in the Unofficial EU RP server possibility? Maybe that will help us all keep communication going and help us all stay on the same page.
I'm in a discord right now about potentially establishing an alternative server which includes NA and EU - link here. I do like the idea of an EU one specifically but this one is already off the ground and I think efforts should be consolidated or it's going to be even harder to organise what's already a fractured population.
As for an EU RP server itself, I'm still not convinced it'll pan out. I'm happy to throw alts around and see how it goes but I'm not optimistic enough to start trying to convince my FC and friends to consider moving. I've been on low pop realms in WoW before and ultimately transferred to Argent Dawn because it was impossible to find RP. I'm aware that the difference here is there is no option to transfer to the big server if you're a newcomer, but I don't see it ending well. Call me jaded; that's just how I feel.
That said, my ping doubling overnight does worry me too. But RP is what I'm here for at the end of the day, and my home is going to be where the RP is regardless of how many times I'll fall off the ledge on Titan.
RE: An EU server, for EU roleplayers - Swanmay - 05-19-2017
(05-19-2017, 10:05 AM)Sig Wrote:(05-19-2017, 09:48 AM)Lulula Lulu Wrote:(05-19-2017, 09:07 AM)Sig Wrote: I challenge anyone who supports the effort to create an alternative RP server to explain how this initiative will be different than the numerous other failed attempts to create alternative RP servers. All prior attempts to create anything greater than a 20-50 person RP clique on another server have failed due to disorganization, conflicting player interests, and the lack of a player base large enough to sustain RP. This time will be no different.ÂYou are a NA player and can do both RP and PvE easily. EU players can't do both due to one little thing called LATENCY. I personally refuse to pay a monthly sub just for RP as I can't do anything other than that after the server move. EU server should be established.
Some posters express concern about the lack of EU events; however, it is very likely that there will be even /less/ events to attend if EU players break off from the general population and form their own community. There will also be less potential RP partners and types of RP. You will not have a sufficient player base to sustain a vibrant, diverse, and healthy RP community in the long-term.
It is one thing for a few new RPers who physically can't access Balmung at the present time to select a server to play on until Balmung is open for transfer, it's another thing to repeat the failed efforts of the past and divide a vibrant RP community.
And that is the difference between any former attempt and this one. We are forced to do this by a little fact that we can't play the game like we used to.
Actually, I have erratic play schedules and also can't partake of most NA timezone material. And most EU players I know hover around 150-200 ping after the database transfers, which is completely manageable [my ping from the west coast US used to be around that before data center relocation]. The sky does not appear to be falling for most EU players I know. I'm sorry you're having difficulties.
I still have not seen a viable argument how a server move will result in anything more than a tiny 20-50 person RP community. Please understand that those types of communities are severely limited in scope of RP, content, frequency of RP, and generally taper off after a few months, rendering everyone's efforts wasted. RPers need large and vibrant central RP hubs, or RP ends up more about scrounging up participants than the actual content.
I don't want to see great EU RP'ers run off into the dark to form a tiny conclave of RP that gradually tapers off and dies over time. Â RP'ers need to stick together for the sake of quality RP, man.
The point of the thread is yes, to encourage people to move, but it is also about setting up a community for those who are coming into the game with Stormblood and as of now have nowehere to go. As Balmung is the only unofficial RP server to date, and is closed for the forseeable. Furthermore, you are discounting the many people who always come into a game as of the expansion release (I was a heavensward baby myself) and those who are not on the RPC for whatever reason.
So yes, 20-50 players on the RPC may move but with time and dedication that could grow to become a sister community to Balmung.
RE: An EU server, for EU roleplayers - Y'idya - 05-19-2017
I think a small community can work out, and I'm sure it would slowly grow if people stuck with it. There will surely be new people playing with SB, just gotta hope they come here first and find out what server to play on.Â
But I think it's unlikely that the EU community would up and move from Balmung. The biggest factor in this is everyone is willing to "throw alts" at a new server. But there's not really anyone saying they want to up and move their main.Â
I think it does have more potential than past efforts however, since Balmung isn't going to get any bigger, so the new players have to go somewhere...
RE: An EU server, for EU roleplayers - Nebbs - 05-19-2017
(05-19-2017, 10:08 AM)Inarah Wrote: ... I've been on low pop realms in WoW before and ultimately transferred to Argent Dawn because it was impossible to find RP....
I left AD when they created SWC server, but went back recently to realise all the RP had moved back to AD. I would expect something similar to happen in FFXIV as folks shift to alternative MMOs but then we would be looking a merging to a mega server maybe and another set of transfers.
RE: An EU server, for EU roleplayers - Virella - 05-19-2017
(05-19-2017, 09:48 AM)Lulula Lulu Wrote:Unless you're in a slav country, what may be possible, your ping should be around 170-180? That's what I heard from most Dutch, Danish, Belgium German, UK and French people so far. But if you are one of the few people severely affect, my apologies to you, because that sucks.(05-19-2017, 09:07 AM)Sig Wrote: I challenge anyone who supports the effort to create an alternative RP server to explain how this initiative will be different than the numerous other failed attempts to create alternative RP servers. All prior attempts to create anything greater than a 20-50 person RP clique on another server have failed due to disorganization, conflicting player interests, and the lack of a player base large enough to sustain RP. This time will be no different.ÂYou are a NA player and can do both RP and PvE easily. EU players can't do both due to one little thing called LATENCY. I personally refuse to pay a monthly sub just for RP as I can't do anything other than that after the server move. EU server should be established.
Some posters express concern about the lack of EU events; however, it is very likely that there will be even /less/ events to attend if EU players break off from the general population and form their own community. There will also be less potential RP partners and types of RP. You will not have a sufficient player base to sustain a vibrant, diverse, and healthy RP community in the long-term.
It is one thing for a few new RPers who physically can't access Balmung at the present time to select a server to play on until Balmung is open for transfer, it's another thing to repeat the failed efforts of the past and divide a vibrant RP community.
And that is the difference between any former attempt and this one. We are forced to do this by a little fact that we can't play the game like we used to.
As far as I know, none of my immediate EU friends and acquaintances had to quit the game due to, you know lag currently. I might be wrong and you may be one of them. But the majority of my EU friends didn't really notice the difference.
I do really think it is for the best RPs stick together, as much as I'd like to see an EU community, I don't think it's realistic.
RE: An EU server, for EU roleplayers - Arty - 05-19-2017
I am in a Slav country. I used to have ping of 120-130. Now my lowest is 200, and I can spike up to 265. The game is uplayable as it's so erratic and the attacks go off a few seconds after they should.
RE: An EU server, for EU roleplayers - Virella - 05-19-2017
(05-19-2017, 11:06 AM)Lulula Lulu Wrote: I am in a Slav country. I used to have ping of 120-130. Now my lowest is 200, and I can spike up to 265. The game is uplayable as it's so erratic and the attacks go off a few seconds after they should.I'm sorry to hear that, that's awful. Hope SE can still tweak it a bit. Not sure if a VPN would work, for me it did little.
RE: An EU server, for EU roleplayers - Rosamund - 05-19-2017
(05-19-2017, 10:30 AM)Yidya Wrote: But I think it's unlikely that the EU community would up and move from Balmung. The biggest factor in this is everyone is willing to "throw alts" at a new server. But there's not really anyone saying they want to up and move their main.Â
I think it does have more potential than past efforts however, since Balmung isn't going to get any bigger, so the new players have to go somewhere...
As an FC leader, with a house and lots of friends made in NA, the cons in moving outweigh the pros. Even if I did demand everyone follow me - which I wouldn't - I could very well end up being the only one from my circle who does leave. Free transfers help, reimbursement on housing helps, but you can't replace friends and that's going to be the biggest factor for a lot of people: will my friends come with me? It's a huge risk to take if you've already established IC and OOC ties. So yes, all I'm willing to do at this point is make an alt elsewhere.
But you're right, it does have greater potential than other efforts due to the sheer fact that people can't get onto 'the' big server anymore. I'm watching with interest to see how it works out and I wish all the best of luck to anyone starting a new community. I'm just worried because I've seen similar happen in other MMOs and the results weren't good.
RE: An EU server, for EU roleplayers - Kilieit - 05-19-2017
Yeah, the reason I think "if you leave Balmung that's bad! stay on Balmung!" is actually completely irrelevant here is because being on Balmung is no longer an option for anyone who started the game after 17/05/17. It is not possible to join Balmung. It is not possible to advertise Balmung as an open, welcoming community - because the game has forced its gates closed.
We need an open, welcoming community for roleplayers to join, either to start afresh or to start at all. Balmung can no longer be that community. Full stop. The end. Nothing to do with the people who make up the Balmung community - it is an immutable, indefinite, SE-made decision that - at the end of the day - we have to deal with, whether we like it or not.
Our only, singular option for providing that welcoming community, as of now, is to support the creation or growth of a new one - to encourage solid foundations for it so it can continue to grow moving forward. There's obviously a fair amount of desire for an EU-focussed attempt, so I support its pursuit.
If you're reading this thread, are European, and either aren't on Balmung, or are on the fence about leaving it because you don't really have m/any friends here... and are therefore considering throwing your lot in with the initiative described in the OP... I'd enthusiastically encourage you to do so. You have the opportunity to be part of something awesome. You are just one person, but those "one person"s add up, and there will need to be a lot of them if we want to make something lasting. You could be one of them. Go in with a positive, constructive mindset and do your best with the others to establish something good.
If you're like me and you don't feel like moving would be a good choice for you for one reason or another (any reason! many reasons! this is a hobby, it's your choice) - I would encourage you to promote the efforts (for the sake of those who might feel differently than you do), and to support in other ways if you have something you think you can offer that doesn't involve moving your character. Every roleplayer deserves to have a community that feels like "home" to them, and like I say, it is simply not possible for Balmung be that home for anyone just now joining the game (or anyone whose ping is now unplayable, anyone whose timezone renders USA-friendly events untenable...). Let's try and help those who are acting to stop the gap to do so.
RE: An EU server, for EU roleplayers - Erah'sae - 05-19-2017
(05-19-2017, 12:19 PM)Kilieit Wrote: stuffNot to continue beating a dead horse, didn't they do this at the start of HW as well? Â I know I had to wait to transfer in once I started. Â It wasn't possible then, it isn't possible now. Â It got better.
Anyway... Â Like I said on the other US thread, what I think you all need to do is sort out who is going to move first, sort out who is going to do your cat herding, event pushing, gathering / publicizing / etc. Â Then sort out where they want to go. Â We're spoiled by Balmung. Â It has hit the mass where it is really self sustaining for most of these things. Â
Building that from the ground up is a massive amount of work. Â I'd suggest get your workers sorted, let them sort out where they're going to set up shop with their people. Â Then build a thing, and the rest will fall into place. Â I fear if you (plural) move without that infrastructure and I fear for the long term sustainability.
For EU, there's time to get that in place before they announce the new EU data center servers. Â Low pings mean you'll likely find a server with more then just the RP community looking to move. Â That helps with your PvE stuff (hunts, raids, etc).
I have very little of a personal stake in this race, I've just seen this done (and not done) time and time again over the years. Â
tl;dr: Take your time, don't rush, and plan together before jumping.
RE: An EU server, for EU roleplayers - Unnamed Mercenary - 05-19-2017
(05-19-2017, 02:42 PM)Erah Wrote:(05-19-2017, 12:19 PM)Kilieit Wrote: stuffNot to continue beating a dead horse, didn't they do this at the start of HW as well? Â I know I had to wait to transfer in once I started. Â It wasn't possible then, it isn't possible now. Â It got better.
Not really. They implemented login queues and added the afk timer again, but most people could still pay to transfer in. (There were a couple small moments when transfers to Balmung were suspended, but nothing that had an official Lodestone post specifically about transfers.)
RE: An EU server, for EU roleplayers - Nodem - 05-19-2017
(05-19-2017, 02:55 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote:(05-19-2017, 02:42 PM)Erah Wrote:(05-19-2017, 12:19 PM)Kilieit Wrote: stuffNot to continue beating a dead horse, didn't they do this at the start of HW as well? Â I know I had to wait to transfer in once I started. Â It wasn't possible then, it isn't possible now. Â It got better.
Not really. They implemented login queues and added the afk timer again, but most people could still pay to transfer in. (There were a couple small moments when transfers to Balmung were suspended, but nothing that had an official Lodestone post specifically about transfers.)
You forgot the instanced zones which people hated.