(06-05-2013, 06:33 PM)Lilszee Wrote:

(06-05-2013, 06:25 PM)Aysun Wrote:

(06-05-2013, 06:24 PM)Lilszee Wrote:

(06-05-2013, 06:01 PM)Aysun Wrote: While I understand joining an established server with an established economy can be daunting, asking the RPC (where the majority of RPers, if not all of us, are currently placed on Balmung) to relocate to a new server is even more daunting. We don't even know that Legacy characters will be allowed to transfer to new servers yet.

Literally NO ONE has asked this.

Then I must be missing what is being asked...? Please clarify for me, I've been at work all day. x_x

New players want an alternative RP server so we don't have to deal with all the issues legacy servers have. We have a moderator telling us to go start our own community now at this point, though, so I guess there's no reason to even discuss it anymore.

Kylin: No one here wants people to not have Balmung. No one advocating for a new server for new players is or has said that to any degree whatsoever. We want a secondary server so we don't have to deal with a lot of the legacy issues. That. Is. All.

This isn't about not being able to unite on a same server because of friends or something. That's bound to happen. This is something unique to this launch.

(06-05-2013, 06:33 PM)Lilszee Wrote: New players want an alternative RP server so we don't have to deal with all the issues legacy servers have.

(06-05-2013, 10:06 PM)Lilszee Wrote: Quite a few RPers have no intention on joining a forum. I know I'll be taking about 6 other people wherever I go. I've discussed it with them, and none of them want to be on a legacy server. There is already an unrelated free company that doesn't want to be on a legacy server. There are several others here who don't.

If we're snagging 30ish people, we'll end up making our own RP community, and the RP communities really will be completely separate if that ends up happening. This also isn't accounting for a bunch of new players that'll be coming in closer to release, and who knows where they'll go. Some might enjoy the option of going to a place with an established community, but I'm imagining quite a few want to help establish one. And people tend to really enjoy new servers.

Will it be as large? No, it probably won't be. I'm actually positive it won't be, but the whole legacy server only attitude with several people not even entertaining the idea of a new server for new people who would want to join it is pretty weird, don't you think?

(06-05-2013, 08:53 PM)allgivenover Wrote:

(06-05-2013, 06:33 PM)Lilszee Wrote: New players want an alternative RP server so we don't have to deal with all the issues legacy servers have.

Some new players want an alternative RP server. It's not even a universal desire among us newbies.

(06-05-2013, 08:03 PM)Rhio Wrote: I can't speak for others in the community, but I can speak for me, and I've been around here for a while.

I have never, in my entire life, discriminated or been reluctant to roleplay with someone due to their level.  Nor can I say that I've ever witnessed someone else in Final Fantasy XIV think less of another player due to their level, relative experience, or anything else.  Several members of the RPC welcomed myself and my wife with open arms when we started playing Final Fantasy XI as miserably low-level characters post-Wings of the Goddess, with people going out of their way to help us get up to speed.  People will generally raise an eyebrow if you're a level 1 mage claiming to be a master caster, but that is the absolute extent of it.

While I can understand concerns about everything being set in stone by launch, the fact of the matter is that doesn't seem to be the case.  Communities will be somewhat established, but a lot of the game's dynamics will be in flux because the game itself is in flux.  Between level sync, new mechanics, and a completely different content flow, I don't think new players will be walking into a clubhouse with complete strangers.

Designating a "new" server for people who don't want to play on Balmung honestly seems like the sort of thing more likely to cause issues than avoid them.  It'll help people who are worried about the existing server community, but it'll make everything else more complicated, especially with establishing linkshells and setting up community events.  It's splitting the community, and considering how hard the community has fought to stay together, it's a bad idea.

Ultimately, I think the best approach is to stay the course.  If something needs to change, we'll address it as it happens as a group.

(06-05-2013, 10:12 PM)Zosimo Wrote:

(06-05-2013, 08:53 PM)allgivenover Wrote:

(06-05-2013, 06:33 PM)Lilszee Wrote: New players want an alternative RP server so we don't have to deal with all the issues legacy servers have.

Some new players want an alternative RP server. It's not even a universal desire among us newbies.

I don't see how you're qualified to make that assumption really. 

I am not a legacy status player and I have zero interest in joining a legacy server. 

Especially after having gone through the past several months of being in a guild I thought I would be starting ARR with, only to find out today that I was expected to join their legacy server at launch with no questions asked. So I left the guild. 

I have never seen an overtly-friendly MMO community where the vets outnumber the newbies is one other reason I wont be on a legacy server as well. 

I would be more interested to see a discussion on which server will be voted on as a non-legacy new player RP server as opposed to some trying to convince more to join a pre-existing community.

(06-05-2013, 10:39 PM)Zosimo Wrote: @Gerik: 

Actually, no because Allgivenover was making a general assumption that most newbies do not want an alternative RP server. "universal desire among us newbies" is a general assumption based on unfounded evidence. 

Since I myself am new to FFXIV, and based on the rules of the English language, Allgivenover cannot use the term "us" since I do not agree with him. 

I am hoping this site is not biased towards non-legacy players. If it is, then I guess this whole thread is moot if the OP's honest approach is going to be continuously trolled.

(06-05-2013, 08:53 PM)allgivenover Wrote: Some new players want an alternative RP server. It's not even a universal desire among us newbies.