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RE: General Lore Questions - Valence - 08-16-2017
(08-15-2017, 05:29 PM)Threed Crowley Wrote: Is the sword and crystal medium combo restricted to red magic/mages? 'Cause.. I'd like to have a character use the chicken knife as a generic spellsword or something rather than roleplaying an actual Red Mageâ„¢.
Thaumaturgy (and Black Magic by extension) also uses crystals/gems fixed on the staff to collect the mage's aetherial energies. The staff itself serves as a focus channeling it right to the gem.
The staff is always made of aether conductive materials, like bone, electrum, or other similar metals (beware, some metals like gold are actually insulating).
Considering how the RDM questline seems to outright say that the Red Mages channel their own aether through their focus and right into their sword, I believe said swords must be conductive enough to focus such spells and enchanted melee moves.
In short, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to play a RDM using a staff or anything else than a sword, and vice versa. The medium is not important, the difference lies in the school of magic.
RE: General Lore Questions - Arashin Kujqai - 08-17-2017
Do the tribes of Xaela have any particular naming conventions or translations? Like does the tribe name "Mol" or "Dotharl" actually come from any particular languages or concepts based off RL cultures? Or are the xaela tribe names mostly created at random for the most part?
RE: General Lore Questions - Unnamed Mercenary - 08-17-2017
(08-17-2017, 10:35 PM)Valic Wrote: Do the tribes of Xaela have any particular naming conventions or translations? Like does the tribe name "Mol" or "Dotharl" actually come from any particular languages or concepts based off RL cultures? Or are the xaela tribe names mostly created at random for the most part?
Quote:The Xaela
Auri creation myth tells of a Dawn Father and a Dusk Mother from whom all Au Ra are descended. The Xaela believe their veins to run thick with the blood of the latter─their lustrous black scales and fiery wills serving as proof of this divine lineage.
Unlike their sister clan, the Raen, who lead solitary lives hidden behind the savage peaks of Othard's eastern reaches, the Xaela are free spirits who roam the vast western steppe in close-knit tribes hunting, gathering, and warring as their ancestors have for countless generations.
(From the Character Creation screen)
As was mentioned earlier, Xaela names are based on Mongolian names/words used in the 15th century (give or take a few centuries). Lists of ancient Mongolian names can also be found on the Internet for those not versed in ancient Mongolian history (I’m guessing that’s a lot).
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Unlike Raen names, where the spellings are pretty much fixed, and there are no real variations for a single name, individual Xaela names come with multiple spellings, all of them acceptable. The Xaela, being nomadic, live lives that are one part solitary (when traveling as a clan) and one part community (when they interact with other clans they come across in their migrations). Because of this, similar names are used throughout the Othardian steppe, but they often feature slightly different spellings due to evolving separately in isolated clans. Also a factor is that, until recently, writing was almost non-existent amongst the tribes─written language simply not a necessity in the nomadic lifestyle.
The male names Jagadai, Chaghadai, and Tsagaday are all, essentially, the same name. However, in Othard (and FFXIV) they are considered unique.
While the Raen abandoned the method of using clan names as their surnames when they abandoned the nomadic lifestyle of their ancestors, the Xaela continue the tradition. This means that, for the most part, Xaela surnames are the names of one of 51 existing clans. The following is a list of the clan names and a quick blurb describing the clan. The words used in tribe names are, for the most part, original words based loosely on 15th to 17th century Mongolian spellings.
Au Ra Naming Conventions - Official FFXIV Forums Lore Board
RE: General Lore Questions - Arashin Kujqai - 08-18-2017
(08-17-2017, 11:18 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: *snip*Ty, I thought I read that here but wasn't sure. Started googling Mongolian naming and words but none of the tribes come up relative to it. Maybe it's stretched a bit for english sake?
RE: General Lore Questions - Unnamed Mercenary - 08-18-2017
(08-18-2017, 12:02 AM)Valic Wrote:(08-17-2017, 11:18 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: *snip*Ty, I thought I read that here but wasn't sure. Started googling Mongolian naming and words but none of the tribes come up relative to it. Maybe it's stretched a bit for english sake?
It's in the racial lore threads here and a certain compilation thread. It stands to note that the tribe names are probably romanized, if one could even call it that. Trying to find an exact letter search would probably only give you FFXIV-related results. Like many of the real-life culture-related things found in game, they're there for concepts and inspiration. Not exactly there to be a stand-in for the things they were inspired from.
RE: General Lore Questions - Arashin Kujqai - 08-18-2017
(08-18-2017, 12:05 AM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote:So nothing's particularly stopping someone who'd like to create an auri tribe from naming it based off another form of culture or something that isn't typically inspired the same way the current canon tribes are?(08-18-2017, 12:02 AM)Valic Wrote:(08-17-2017, 11:18 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: *snip*Ty, I thought I read that here but wasn't sure. Started googling Mongolian naming and words but none of the tribes come up relative to it. Maybe it's stretched a bit for english sake?
It's in the racial lore threads here and a certain compilation thread. It stands to note that the tribe names are probably romanized, if one could even call it that. Trying to find an exact letter search would probably only give you FFXIV-related results. Like many of the real-life culture-related things found in game, they're there for concepts and inspiration. Not exactly there to be a stand-in for the things they were inspired from.
RE: General Lore Questions - Unnamed Mercenary - 08-18-2017
(08-18-2017, 12:13 AM)Valic Wrote:(08-18-2017, 12:05 AM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote:So nothing's particularly stopping someone who'd like to create an auri tribe from naming it based off another form of culture or something that isn't typically inspired the same way the current canon tribes are?(08-18-2017, 12:02 AM)Valic Wrote:(08-17-2017, 11:18 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: *snip*Ty, I thought I read that here but wasn't sure. Started googling Mongolian naming and words but none of the tribes come up relative to it. Maybe it's stretched a bit for english sake?
It's in the racial lore threads here and a certain compilation thread. It stands to note that the tribe names are probably romanized, if one could even call it that. Trying to find an exact letter search would probably only give you FFXIV-related results. Like many of the real-life culture-related things found in game, they're there for concepts and inspiration. Not exactly there to be a stand-in for the things they were inspired from.
Reading a little too far into what I said. I'd personally stick to the cultures that Square-Enix provided, but there's nothing stopping you from adding to their lists. Xaela clans come and go. Raen don't particularly use surnames. I'd probably keep to the Mongolian theme if I were making a Xaela. Or I'd question why my Xaela has a different-sounding name. I'd want it to be intentional if say, it sounded French / "Ishgadian" or something. People move about and taking local names is certainly a part of that. But I'm a little more iffy on injecting a different culture into something while still trying to keep the original design. At that point, what benefit does keeping the SE-provided bits provide?
RE: General Lore Questions - Arashin Kujqai - 08-20-2017
RE: General Lore Questions - Seye Qhesu - 08-20-2017
(08-20-2017, 06:48 AM)Valic Wrote:Xaela have their own culture. Their own tradition. Their own Gods. The msq focuses on this as well as the side quests. I'm not sure what else I could tell you at this point that hasn't already been covered through years of discussion and ingame lore.
RE: General Lore Questions - Valence - 08-20-2017
They seem to /easternbow ingame as well.
But then as said above, they have their own culture yes. They don't believe especially in kami, since their beliefs is about the duality of the Dawn Father and the Dusk Mother.
RE: General Lore Questions - Kieron Lohengrin - 08-20-2017
(08-20-2017, 06:48 AM)Valic Wrote:
In the original JP, the Mol tribe specifically addresses obeying the will of the kami through their shaman, respectively localized as "elder gods" and "udgan." The way and context they use it is more aligned with the RL Shinto view of kami: nature spirits in their surroundings and day-to-day lives. The Oronir tribe directly worship the sun god Azim and claim to be his descendants (similar to RL Japan and their emperor), while the Kagon worship the moon goddess Nhaama.
Bear in mind that Othard is a big continent with yet-unexplored locations and customs, such as Dalmasca. It's not all a Japan / Asia analogue. A quest line in the Azim Steppe deals with a Kugane merchant coming to Reunion with zero knowledge of their ways and customs, and having to learn them. The Xaela tribes took inspiration from ancient Mongolian tribes, so you'll want to read up on them for further comparison.
RE: General Lore Questions - Arashin Kujqai - 08-20-2017
(08-20-2017, 09:26 AM)Rowena Everstone Wrote: Xaela have their own culture. Their own tradition. Their own Gods. The msq focuses on this as well as the side quests. I'm not sure what else I could tell you at this point that hasn't already been covered through years of discussion and ingame lore.
I'm not sure why but this comes off as a little hostile. I asked for specific terminology and general mannerisms was all, I'm well aware they have their own everything... I wasn't asking for their entire lore to be explained.
(08-20-2017, 11:37 AM)Valence Wrote: They seem to /easternbow ingame as well.
But then as said above, they have their own culture yes. They don't believe especially in kami, since their beliefs is about the duality of the Dawn Father and the Dusk Mother.
I see, so if one of them came across a primal, they'd more or less see it as just another monster of beast then? Not particularly any title or naming? I figured even the Xaela would recognize what a primal is or have a particular name for them. Wasn't sure if they carried over the eastern culture of bowing the same way but ty for clarifying on that.
(08-20-2017, 01:52 PM)Kieron Lohengrin Wrote: In the original JP, the Mol tribe specifically addresses obeying the will of the kami through their shaman, respectively localized as "elder gods" and "udgan." The way and context they use it is more aligned with the RL Shinto view of kami: nature spirits in their surroundings and day-to-day lives. The Oronir tribe directly worship the sun god Azim and claim to be his descendants (similar to RL Japan and their emperor), while the Kagon worship the moon goddess Nhaama.
Bear in mind that Othard is a big continent with yet-unexplored locations and customs, such as Dalmasca. It's not all a Japan / Asia analogue. A quest line in the Azim Steppe deals with a Kugane merchant coming to Reunion with zero knowledge of their ways and customs, and having to learn them. The Xaela tribes took inspiration from ancient Mongolian tribes, so you'll want to read up on them for further comparison.
I wasn't actually asking about their gods or the Mol's beliefs or Xaelas.. moreo-so just some basic habits of xaela all around in regards to "primals" specifically and the proper greeting used in game. The 2nd paragraph is exactly why I asked; it's a big continent, mostly japan asia inspired so I wasn't 100% sure on some customs. I should do that quest, I saw it once and didn't get to do it, shouldn't have blown it off.
RE: General Lore Questions - LiadansWhisper - 08-20-2017
(08-20-2017, 02:46 PM)Valic Wrote: moreo-so just some basic habits of xaela all around in regards to "primals" specifically and the proper greeting used in game.
The short answer to the primal question is, we don't know. The long answer is, we don't know because it's never addressed during the MSQ or in side quests (as far as I have seen). If there's information out there I haven't run into, Sounsyy probably knows of it.
But the general Xaela attitude towards Primals hasn't, to my knowledge, been explored in game.
As far as the greeting goes, I would honestly suggest you go play through the quests in the Azim Steppe if you want to know the details on that. There are tons of Sidequests and cutscenes. I suspect greetings vary from clan to clan.
RE: General Lore Questions - Arashin Kujqai - 08-20-2017
(08-20-2017, 03:22 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:That's what I thought and atm I don't have a sub so as much as I'd like to play through those quests right now, I cannot.(08-20-2017, 02:46 PM)Valic Wrote: moreo-so just some basic habits of xaela all around in regards to "primals" specifically and the proper greeting used in game.
The short answer to the primal question is, we don't know. Â The long answer is, we don't know because it's never addressed during the MSQ or in side quests (as far as I have seen). Â If there's information out there I haven't run into, Sounsyy probably knows of it.
But the general Xaela attitude towards Primals hasn't, to my knowledge, been explored in game.
As far as the greeting goes, I would honestly suggest you go play through the quests in the Azim Steppe if you want to know the details on that. Â There are tons of Sidequests and cutscenes. Â I suspect greetings vary from clan to clan.
RE: General Lore Questions - LiadansWhisper - 08-20-2017
(08-20-2017, 03:53 PM)Valic Wrote: That's what I thought and atm I don't have a sub so as much as I'd like to play through those quests right now, I cannot.
How exactly are you planning on RPing this character without a sub?