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RE: Lore drops concerning Dragoon via the Heavensward Opening: - SicketySix - 04-14-2015

Still even if it was a x months on, x months off, it still wouldn't explain all these elite dragoons being outside Ishgard. Which to my understanding, once you are out, you can't get back in. I could be wrong on that.

RE: Lore drops concerning Dragoon via the Heavensward Opening: - Warren Castille - 04-14-2015

(04-14-2015, 09:42 AM)Casden Reeves Wrote: Still even if it was a x months on, x months off, it still wouldn't explain all these elite dragoons being outside Ishgard. Which to my understanding, once you are out, you can't get back in. I could be wrong on that.

I believe the exit-only policy referred to like, families and the like. Military and officials would be allowed to come home. I hope so, anyway.

"Hey, Johnson! Dragons out there! Also, don't come back thanks bye!"

RE: Lore drops concerning Dragoon via the Heavensward Opening: - SicketySix - 04-14-2015

(04-14-2015, 09:43 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(04-14-2015, 09:42 AM)Casden Reeves Wrote: Still even if it was a x months on, x months off, it still wouldn't explain all these elite dragoons being outside Ishgard. Which to my understanding, once you are out, you can't get back in. I could be wrong on that.

I believe the exit-only policy referred to like, families and the like. Military and officials would be allowed to come home. I hope so, anyway.

"Hey, Johnson! Dragons out there! Also, don't come back thanks bye!"
But is not Ishgard being invaded and almost annihilated at this point? So there wouldn't really be any need to have Dragoons lounging at the Quicksand.

Correct me if I'm wrong, just speculating at this point.

RE: Lore drops concerning Dragoon via the Heavensward Opening: - Warren Castille - 04-14-2015

(04-14-2015, 09:58 AM)Casden Reeves Wrote:
(04-14-2015, 09:43 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(04-14-2015, 09:42 AM)Casden Reeves Wrote: Still even if it was a x months on, x months off, it still wouldn't explain all these elite dragoons being outside Ishgard. Which to my understanding, once you are out, you can't get back in. I could be wrong on that.

I believe the exit-only policy referred to like, families and the like. Military and officials would be allowed to come home. I hope so, anyway.

"Hey, Johnson! Dragons out there! Also, don't come back thanks bye!"
But is not Ishgard being invaded and almost annihilated at this point? So there wouldn't really be any need to have Dragoons lounging at the Quicksand.

Correct me if I'm wrong, just speculating at this point.

Without further word from the source material, all we've got is personal opinions and assumptions.

RE: Lore drops concerning Dragoon via the Heavensward Opening: - Hammersmith - 04-14-2015

(04-14-2015, 09:58 AM)Casden Reeves Wrote:
(04-14-2015, 09:43 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(04-14-2015, 09:42 AM)Casden Reeves Wrote: Still even if it was a x months on, x months off, it still wouldn't explain all these elite dragoons being outside Ishgard. Which to my understanding, once you are out, you can't get back in. I could be wrong on that.

I believe the exit-only policy referred to like, families and the like. Military and officials would be allowed to come home. I hope so, anyway.

"Hey, Johnson! Dragons out there! Also, don't come back thanks bye!"
But is not Ishgard being invaded and almost annihilated at this point? So there wouldn't really be any need to have Dragoons lounging at the Quicksand.

Correct me if I'm wrong, just speculating at this point.


A counter point is that Dragoon orders are a Known and utilized thing in all the major city-states, just not to the degree or severity they are in Ishguard, which would be the cradle of the fighting style.  Trained to fight dragons in the style, but not ishgard aligned or indoctrinated, though still bound to service of their Grand Companies and millitary.

Gives you a reason to have Dragoons anywhere, at any city state, with the same goal minus the geographical hobbling. Ishgard's closed but the the lore doesn't suggest Dragoons are a new thing, and probably ancient enough for the lore to have spread out from Ishgard. Just...most other nations don't need a 24/7 dragon murdering army all the time. Just....some dragon murdering dudes who also happen to be good at stabbing the shit out of heavy armor and friends. The Dragoon role in other citystates have have secondary focuses, like taking down large war-beasts, serpents, wyverns, behemoths, similar things...primals....all giant murder beasts that eat people by different names.

A dragoon by any other name.

RE: Lore drops concerning Dragoon via the Heavensward Opening: - SicketySix - 04-14-2015

Ah I see, I thought that was pretty much confirmed and that's why theirbgates was being opened, out of desperation.

RE: Lore drops concerning Dragoon via the Heavensward Opening: - SicketySix - 04-14-2015

(04-14-2015, 10:03 AM)Hammersmith Wrote:
(04-14-2015, 09:58 AM)Casden Reeves Wrote:
(04-14-2015, 09:43 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(04-14-2015, 09:42 AM)Casden Reeves Wrote: Still even if it was a x months on, x months off, it still wouldn't explain all these elite dragoons being outside Ishgard. Which to my understanding, once you are out, you can't get back in. I could be wrong on that.

I believe the exit-only policy referred to like, families and the like. Military and officials would be allowed to come home. I hope so, anyway.

"Hey, Johnson! Dragons out there! Also, don't come back thanks bye!"
But is not Ishgard being invaded and almost annihilated at this point? So there wouldn't really be any need to have Dragoons lounging at the Quicksand.

Correct me if I'm wrong, just speculating at this point.


A counter point is that Dragoon orders are a Known and utilized thing in all the major city-states, just not to the degree or severity they are in Ishguard, which would be the cradle of the fighting style.  Trained to fight dragons in the style, but not ishgard aligned or indoctrinated, though still bound to service of their Grand Companies and millitary.
I learned something new today!

RE: Lore drops concerning Dragoon via the Heavensward Opening: - Warren Castille - 04-14-2015

(04-14-2015, 10:03 AM)Hammersmith Wrote: A counter point is that Dragoon orders are a Known and utilized thing in all the major city-states, just not to the degree or severity they are in Ishguard, which would be the cradle of the fighting style.  Trained to fight dragons in the style, but not ishgard aligned or indoctrinated, though still bound to service of their Grand Companies and millitary.

Gives you a reason to have Dragoons anywhere, at any city state, with the same goal minus the geographical hobbling. Ishgard's closed but the the lore doesn't suggest Dragoons are a new thing, and probably ancient enough for the lore to have spread out from Ishgard. Just...most other nations don't need a 24/7 dragon murdering army all the time. Just....some dragon murdering dudes who also happen to be good at stabbing the shit out of heavy armor and friends. The Dragoon role in other citystates have have secondary focuses, like taking down large war-beasts, serpents, wyverns, behemoths, similar things...primals....all giant murder beasts that eat people by different names.

A dragoon by any other name.

Is this theory or actually stated in-game? I missed it, if so.

Also I tried like four times to make this sentence sound less dickish. I'm legitimately curious!

RE: Lore drops concerning Dragoon via the Heavensward Opening: - Hammersmith - 04-14-2015

(04-14-2015, 10:11 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(04-14-2015, 10:03 AM)Hammersmith Wrote: A counter point is that Dragoon orders are a Known and utilized thing in all the major city-states, just not to the degree or severity they are in Ishguard, which would be the cradle of the fighting style.  Trained to fight dragons in the style, but not ishgard aligned or indoctrinated, though still bound to service of their Grand Companies and millitary.

Gives you a reason to have Dragoons anywhere, at any city state, with the same goal minus the geographical hobbling.  Ishgard's closed but the the lore doesn't suggest Dragoons are a new thing, and probably ancient enough for the lore to have spread out from Ishgard.  Just...most other nations don't need a 24/7 dragon murdering army all the time.  Just....some dragon murdering dudes who also happen to be good at stabbing the shit out of heavy armor and friends.  The Dragoon role in other citystates have have secondary focuses, like taking down large war-beasts, serpents, wyverns, behemoths, similar things...primals....all giant murder beasts that eat people by different names.

A dragoon by any other name.

Is this theory or actually stated in-game? I missed it, if so.

Also I tried like four times to make this sentence sound less dickish. I'm legitimately curious!


At this point: Pure conjecture. I should of said: As a counter scenario/option.  

The Job Quests all treat you like a special snowflake.  The first new warrior, the new Azure Dragoon, etc etc.  If we're all playing in the same sandbox I assume we're going to have to work outside those "YOU ARE THE MAIN PC" you are sooper-goku special highlights or really, we're all The Best (Around) (Ain't nobody gonna keep me down)

If you're fishing for a reason, it's way more reasonable then every dragoon being an Ishgard traitor/refuge/turncoat/super awesome lone wolf who don't need no holy see.

Edit: As a support I'd point towards Gridania being where all the Lancers start. is also home to a whole lot of pissed off beasties. It'd make sense of this kind of fight style to be out there, in use, for reasons.

RE: Lore drops concerning Dragoon via the Heavensward Opening: - Warren Castille - 04-14-2015

(04-14-2015, 10:15 AM)Hammersmith Wrote:
(04-14-2015, 10:11 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(04-14-2015, 10:03 AM)Hammersmith Wrote: A counter point is that Dragoon orders are a Known and utilized thing in all the major city-states, just not to the degree or severity they are in Ishguard, which would be the cradle of the fighting style.  Trained to fight dragons in the style, but not ishgard aligned or indoctrinated, though still bound to service of their Grand Companies and millitary.

Gives you a reason to have Dragoons anywhere, at any city state, with the same goal minus the geographical hobbling.  Ishgard's closed but the the lore doesn't suggest Dragoons are a new thing, and probably ancient enough for the lore to have spread out from Ishgard.  Just...most other nations don't need a 24/7 dragon murdering army all the time.  Just....some dragon murdering dudes who also happen to be good at stabbing the shit out of heavy armor and friends.  The Dragoon role in other citystates have have secondary focuses, like taking down large war-beasts, serpents, wyverns, behemoths, similar things...primals....all giant murder beasts that eat people by different names.

A dragoon by any other name.

Is this theory or actually stated in-game? I missed it, if so.

Also I tried like four times to make this sentence sound less dickish. I'm legitimately curious!


At this point: Pure conjecture. I should of said: As a counter scenario/option.  

The Job Quests all treat you like a special snowflake.  The first new warrior, the new Azure Dragoon, etc etc.  If we're all playing in the same sandbox I assume we're going to have to work outside those "YOU ARE THE MAIN PC" you are sooper-goku special highlights or really, we're all The Best (Around) (Ain't nobody gonna keep me down)

If you're fishing for a reason, it's way more reasonable then every dragoon being an Ishgard traitor/refuge/turncoat/super awesome lone wolf who don't need no holy see.

Ah, gotcha. Some jobs are a bit easier to explain than others. Dragoon joins White Mage for more of the uh, classic discussions in the game.

RE: Lore drops concerning Dragoon via the Heavensward Opening: - Erik Mynhier - 04-14-2015

Off topic: Bad DRG rper in the QS picking up another player. Not all DRGs, just the bad ones.... right here.
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On topic: Lore drops....

There were none. Sorry but watching the video we see two things, the derplander doing spoilers on people that would have gotten me banned lol. And second we "saw" what jump is suppose to look like.... that's it. Yes, we saw guys in the armor jumping, but as for lore bomb.... there was no context, were they common soldiers? Elite Squad/Guard? The "Bloodsworn" of Ishgard? We have no way of framing the data because the data was meant to tantalize and encourage people to buy an expansion, not lay out lore. And to sit here and argue back and forth is not needed as in the end we are all still in our opinions with little fact.

All we know lorewise is jump looks really cool. That's all we got, that's it.... and that a food taster may not have been a bad investment in Ul'dah. The where, why, how, and who of the Jump will not be made clear until we get our little hands on 3.0 and read the dialog. Until then, anger is a sickness guys. Make like Elsa and let it go.

RE: Lore drops concerning Dragoon via the Heavensward Opening: - V'aleera - 04-14-2015

(04-14-2015, 11:03 AM)Erik Mynhier Wrote: were they common soldiers? Elite Squad/Guard? The "Sultansworn" of Ishgard?
That would actually be the Temple Knights, not the dragoons.

RE: Lore drops concerning Dragoon via the Heavensward Opening: - Erik Mynhier - 04-14-2015

(04-14-2015, 11:11 AM)Intaki Wrote:
(04-14-2015, 11:03 AM)Erik Mynhier Wrote: were they common soldiers? Elite Squad/Guard? The "Sultansworn" of Ishgard?
That would actually be the Temple Knights, not the dragoons.

Point is though we are not given a frame to see the age/make-up/training/social position/lore limitations of the Job as viewed by the trailer. We are not shown the journey of those dragoons, only the destination.

You are of course correct I should have said the Bloodsworn of Ishgard. Would have applied better, but oh well, splitting hairs really.

RE: Lore drops concerning Dragoon via the Heavensward Opening: - V'aleera - 04-14-2015

Not disagreeing, just thought I'd point that out.

RE: Lore drops concerning Dragoon via the Heavensward Opening: - Erik Mynhier - 04-14-2015

(04-14-2015, 11:18 AM)Intaki Wrote: Not disagreeing, just thought I'd point that out.

Oh yeah man, that's why I said I should have said Bloodsworn, they are the military elite....

Yeah I'm not mad buddy, no worries.