(06-23-2013, 02:10 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: The problem is linkshell community than role-playing. Please remember that. If one cannot join a linkshell that he /she wants to join, then what? Make your own linkshell? What if one does not want to make a linkshell and they just want to join an active role-playing linkshell but cannot join them because they are new ? There are those veterans that will be like "it feels awkward having a new person in our circle."

• Dissolve the group when old player interest wanes, or when those old players want to transition to raiding, ignoring what the new players want;
  
• Allow new players in, but leave them to their own devices and not interact with them;
  
• Allow new players in, but treat them as "new blood" that needs to prove themselves to be invited along on adventures;
  
• Close recruitment on the grounds of "wanting to get to know the new members," then never open it again;
  
• RP with people not in an LS or FC, then not toss them an invitation to apply to yours if their character would fit;
  
• Refuse to RP or group with people not in the LS or FC
  

(06-23-2013, 03:01 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: Blackdrakon - people like yourself is a main reason new players are having trouble of considering to join this community. Its like implication of saying "if you have doubt about this community then why are you here?" But every legacy players would defend their community because they had been here  longer than anyone else. But everyone had previous experience with previous players and other games regarding the communities. It is true that FFXIV is totally different from Tera, WoW, and possibly FFXI. But is it really any different?  Also most FFXIV players from FFXI and there has been severe players that gave hard time to newcomers.

Telling someone to do their homework is just provoking players. Just saying.

(06-23-2013, 03:10 PM)blackdrakon Wrote: How do you figure that to be true? I can't believe I'm saying this - Joining any community is like buying a car. Are you going to put your money down before you know what you're getting? I just finished making several points stating why this community is so open to new players. Yes, different MMOs offer up different communities because each MMO has a variable difference in how their environment promotes role playing.

And what type of players am I provoking by telling someone to educate themselves on the community they're about to enter when doing so benefits their transition into the community anyway?

Just saying.

(06-23-2013, 04:15 PM)blackdrakon Wrote: Aldotsk, I really don't even know where to begin with you. First off, don't put words in my mouth that never came out of it. The correct phrasing you should be using:

- Instead of "so in your words", you should be saying "So in my interpretation".
- Instead of "what you are stating is nothing but", you should be saying "what I understood that to mean was".
- Never did I use the words 'No one' wherein I used the word *I*. If you are going to [quote me] (post #34), do so correctly.

Again, doing your research on a community only benefits someone looking to get involved. It servers the purpose of helping that person to get a basic fundamental temperature on the general attitude and atmosphere of its participants. There may be a few elements of role playing communities that are universally common amongst MMOs - to what degree those commonalities are prevalent depends on the player base - but each MMO community, in its own right, is unique. There is no superiority complex coming from my statements. There are a series of simple statements of saying this community is more open to accepting and assisting new players get integrated. If you need any other reasons besides ones I've had, once again, read the boards. In reference to the Balmung comment, server choice was never brought up in my latest post here. Therefore, if you'd like to go back and forth within your own mind the argument of Balmung, I refer you back to the RP Discussion forum where there sits a 7 page thread on the matter of Balmung versus whatever.

(06-23-2013, 05:03 PM)Averis Wrote: I feel that some new players might be letting their fears get the better of them. You will get as much out of a community as you put into it. Of course you will find people hesitant and even flatly resistant to new players, but you can't also expect people to throw themselves at you either.

When I look to join a group or guild, I do a lot of research. I lurk forums etc. Some groups I know I won't really click with, while with others I can find a home. But when I do join a group, I don't expect them to come to me right away. I have to get involved. It also helps to be courteous. You should treat people how you would like to be treated. If you walk around with a chip on your shoulder or think that no one will accept you, then right there you are not going to be very inviting for others to get to know you. So you have to give a little of yourself in order for others to open up some too.

This is just human nature more than anything. People are naturally comfortable with what is familiar. But it's not like everyone started out knowing each other. They all had to get to know each other at some point. Just because you come in later doesn't somehow mean they can't accept any more people. It all depends on both sides being willing to get along.

Anyway, not all players from 1.0 are well established in the community. I played 1.0 but didn't get that involved in the community then after my LS fell apart. So I too am pretty much starting from scratch. So far, I never had the impression that anyone here was not inviting to new people.

I'm actually a little surprised by the reaction to this. While I get the desire to start on a fresh server and all, the community side of it is an odd thing to me to feel threatened by. There will always be jerks no matter where you go. Sure, getting in on the ground floor can be nice and all, but meeting people is the same no matter when you meet them. It's a give and take on both sides. I don't know why it's so important to meet people at the start of a new server compared to an old one. There will be a ton of new people on the legacy servers. We won't be alone even IF all the old guilds closed themselves off to all the new people.