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RE: Gilgamesh unofficial RP server? - Kylin - 07-01-2013
Quote:Even your post right here. You make sure to point out that the RPC is the first on google list. As if to imply that, because you're the top authority, appearing at the top of google, that everyone is going to listen to you.
Just to clarify, the only reason that was mentioned was to emphasize that people will find this site easily and look to see what servers it's largely supporting. Hence why fragmenting people is something we don't want to display.
Also, the whole "elitist" accusations have to stop now. Or calling people "condescending." People are growing tired of being called that when all they want to do is RP with as many people as possible. And it speaks volumes that the name calling always seems to start from the same side of the aisle.
RE: Gilgamesh unofficial RP server? - LandStander - 07-01-2013
(06-30-2013, 08:11 PM)Vanschiver Wrote: The one in the same!... (That good thing?)Also, thank you for filling me in. I haven't been in this community long enough to really comment. My only hope is that it doesn't hurt the community. I've been a part of split communities before and..yea...I just remember you were a popular name that got tossed around a lot, but I personally never got the chance to RP with you. I see Seohyun here as well and I think Amaare sounds familiar. Lots of GW2 refugee's
! I really enjoyed the community there and there was always lots of RP, glad to have the opportunity to poke you all once more.
RE: Gilgamesh unofficial RP server? - Momoni - 07-01-2013
(07-01-2013, 03:41 PM)Averis Wrote: Well, I don't want to get into an argument over this (again). I do want to clarify that I personally never even said that this community was the ONLY RP community that should and could ever exist in FFXIV. There was actually a second FFXIV RP forum for a while. But as it stand right now, it's probably the largest forum for it. That doesn't mean there can't be others.Sure. I want to clarify that, as a forum that isn't solely committed to Balmung but to role playing, the site needs to focus on the role playing community. If that means accommodating a fracture, so be it. If the moderators cannot manage supporting multiple event subforums, that's an issue of management and they should get more moderators or be less strict(assuming they are, it's the only reason I can imagine they'd be unable to just let players run player content, which doesn't require managing over responding to reported posts/threads)
You are more than welcome to do what you want. I in no way shape or form think that I'm better than you or anyone. It's not my goal at all to stop anyone from playing elsewhere. I am only giving my view in regards to THIS community, which is also free to make its own decisions.
If you want to start something new, go for it!
(07-01-2013, 03:42 PM)Kylin Wrote:Quote:Even your post right here. You make sure to point out that the RPC is the first on google list. As if to imply that, because you're the top authority, appearing at the top of google, that everyone is going to listen to you.
Just to clarify, the only reason that was mentioned was to emphasize that people will find this site easily and look to see what servers it's largely supporting. Hence why fragmenting people is something we don't want to display.
Also, the whole "elitist" accusations have to stop now. Or calling people "condescending." People are growing tired of being called that when all they want to do is RP with as many people as possible. And it speaks volumes that the name calling always seems to start from the same side of the aisle.
You can't stop a fracture. You can adapt and survive, or specialize. Condemning, though, is going to breed elitism. Trust me, from experience, that's the last road you should be going down.
Okay, but that goes both ways. Calling me rude when I'm not, or telling me I'm not special when I never implied I was are condescending, and there isn't just one side of the argument being picked on here.
We're not the only people throwing punches, nor are we throwing them first in every single instance. Don't forget that.
RE: Gilgamesh unofficial RP server? - Averis - 07-01-2013
I edited my last reply, if you'd like to read it.
(07-01-2013, 03:49 PM)Momoni Wrote: Okay, but that goes both ways. Calling me rude when I'm not, or telling me I'm not special when I never implied I was are condescending, and there isn't just one side of the argument being picked on here.
I didn't know saying something seemed rude was a "punch". If you took it as such then I apologize. But as Kylin said, this has been going on for a while so it has become a bit frustrating. Each time I hear it, it just adds to the frustration. So it was probably more of a reply to all the previous similar requests than just your one.
As for the "special" part, that was really in general, not to you. I mean that in general when I look for a server I don't think that "I'M" special. I didn't mean to imply that you do.
RE: Gilgamesh unofficial RP server? - Momoni - 07-01-2013
(07-01-2013, 03:41 PM)undefined Wrote:(07-01-2013, 03:26 PM)Momoni Wrote: They're scared that you'll be rude to them because they aren't your super bestest friend.
And the issue right now is that you, as an individual, validated that fear people might have about you.
It's funny you say that, since I'm actually just about as new as you here. I don't have any friends already established in this community. I barely played 1.0. I'd be just as open to RP with you as anyone else here. If I met your character in game, I'd likely assume that you've been around longer than me. I really would have no idea.
Like I said in a previous post, my only motivation is to simple keep the small role-play community (in this forum or not) as least spread out as possible so that we can all have fun together. It's really just that simple. I have no other motives than that. I'd like to have a lot of new players to play with too, since I'm pretty much one as well.
Oh sure, I'd RP with anyone my character came across(since real life and in character stuff is best kept separate).
But a fracture is going to happen regardless. It's inevitable. Adapt to it. Condemning it is going to split the community between various forums and for a website that is for the RP community and not for one specific server, it's in the purpose of the websites best interest to adapt for the inevitable.
I would absolutely love if all of the RP could be in a simple place. But that's idealistic, that's wishing for a scenario like with Runescape where your character isn't bound to a single server. It's simply not going to happen.
As someone whose seen more RP communities die, grow old, grow corrupt or grow into something terrible, than I'd like to admit? I'm saying, it's best to adapt. Any other road is going to lead to a bad end. At best the community becomes elitist, at worst the community dies.
RE: Gilgamesh unofficial RP server? - Sterne - 07-01-2013
In the end I understand the importance of consolidation of our RPers. I think it's okay to say that RPers wants the opportunity to meet other RPers and not deny themselves of any opportunities.
The RPC is a great thing at its core. A centralized hub to bring RPers together so that we don't feel alone and can communicate freely outside of the game.
Momodi made a great point. This is the purpose of the RPC and in order to survive adapting and embracing whatever fractures (population wise) may occur should not be shunned, for lack of a better word (I know it's a strong word, but it seems to fit when lack of support for whatever second server we vote for is almost guaranteed).
Giving room and a place to speak for all of the fractures that may form is a tough job; impossible for one person. But it's not impossible. The fractures can be made whole on the forums. Maybe other measures need to be taken to support the entire community, not just the community that decides to stay on Balmung because it's convenient and the way it's been.
Or maybe Yoshi-P, the one who gets to say his word is gospel, needs to decide for us and take the power from 'unofficial' hands.
RE: Gilgamesh unofficial RP server? - Alothia - 07-01-2013
I really wish that everyone could just get along and be happy. We're doing our best here trying to accommodate both sides of the fence. We would love to see everyone come to Balmung, but we know now that that is not going to happen. Kylin runs this website with a little help from us as far as funding is concerned, but he mostly does it out of his own pocket. While maintaining a separate forum for every server that has RPers on it may not seem like a daunting task, it takes a little work to be able to run a website that has this many people on it as there are already.
I think that we're being pretty fair in trying to help the RP community that doesn't want to come to a Legacy server try to come to a consensus on where to go so that we can try to avoid all of these little fissures. We understand that it is going to happen, but we want to try to keep them as small as possible.
We advertised about the poll for a week or so before we posted. We cross posted to the official forums to let people know that it is happening. We are diligently looking at the votes as they come in and are trying to encourage those people who plan on RPing on another server to vote.
I'm not sure what else we can do here. I want new players to play with. The game will die without them. RP might very well die without them. But RP might also die if the RPers get spread too thin. This poll is an attempt at trying to help keep everyone in a place where they will be able to find RP.
I wish everyone good luck on coming to a consensus. I hope that even if we end up with a split community, that everyone has great RP on the horizon. It's all we can hope for at this point. ^^
RE: Gilgamesh unofficial RP server? - Averis - 07-01-2013
Sorry, I (again) edited my last post. >.< You guys reply fast and I'm an edit-holic.
Anyway, as for your last post, I have no say in what the admin/mods do here. So that's up to them. But personally I support trying to keep things organized. This is why having polls is usually the best way to go. It gives everyone a chance to have their say. If only 10 people play on a server, it does seem a bit silly (to me) to have a section for them. It's not elitism, it's just a numbers game. Majority rule and all that. I also ran an RP community for Aion and this was a major topic there as well.
RE: Gilgamesh unofficial RP server? - ArmachiA - 07-01-2013
^ I KNEW I recognized your name, your from the Aion RP site!
RE: Gilgamesh unofficial RP server? - Averis - 07-01-2013
(07-01-2013, 04:14 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: ^ I KNEW I recognized your name, your from the Aion RP site!
Haha, yes, that's me. ^_^
I have a lot of sympathy for anyone that runs these kind of communities. I swear that I lost a couple years of my life running ARP during its peak. So many groups and people pulling you in every direction. You try your best, but you can never win.
We (usually) start these communities because we want to create a welcoming gathering place for our fellows, but it so quickly seems to turn into a war no matter what you do and you become enemy #1.
Remember, they don't get paid for this and rarely to they ever get a "thank you". You may not agree with their decisions, but they are people too.
RE: Gilgamesh unofficial RP server? - Momoni - 07-01-2013
(07-01-2013, 04:10 PM)Alothia Wrote: I really wish that everyone could just get along and be happy. We're doing our best here trying to accommodate both sides of the fence. We would love to see everyone come to Balmung, but we know now that that is not going to happen. Kylin runs this website with a little help from us as far as funding is concerned, but he mostly does it out of his own pocket. While maintaining a separate forum for every server that has RPers on it may not seem like a daunting task, it takes a little work to be able to run a website that has this many people on it as there are already.But the issue is that it's going to happen. It's best to look at the votes coming in, seeing what is happening, and accommodating all of them regardless. Then pick and choose from what goes inactive for what you no longer support. We still have the rest of phase 3 and we have the entirety of phase 4 for trial and error - to make something deciding now is silly.
I think that we're being pretty fair in trying to help the RP community that doesn't want to come to a Legacy server try to come to a consensus on where to go so that we can try to avoid all of these little fissures. We understand that it is going to happen, but we want to try to keep them as small as possible.
We advertised about the poll for a week or so before we posted. We cross posted to the official forums to let people know that it is happening. We are diligently looking at the votes as they come in and are trying to encourage those people who plan on RPing on another server to vote.
I'm not sure what else we can do here. I want new players to play with. The game will die without them. RP might very well die without them. But RP might also die if the RPers get spread too thin. This poll is an attempt at trying to help keep everyone in a place where they will be able to find RP.
I wish everyone good luck on coming to a consensus. I hope that even if we end up with a split community, that everyone has great RP on the horizon. It's all we can hope for at this point. ^^
Let the RP community see how it flourishes before release. Accommodate that. I don't agree that it's being fair, I see it as a way of saying "this is the best we're willing to do" instead of "this is the best we can do" and as a universal RP hub for FF14, you need to aim for the best able, not the best willing.
If running is an issue, get more committed moderators. The RP community is going to continue to grow so it's inevitable that you're going to need them. Basically, don't try to build RP around your(admin/moderator) convenience, as a hub, it's for the convenience of the players.
(07-01-2013, 04:11 PM)Averis Wrote: Sorry, I (again) edited my last post. >.< You guys reply fast and I'm an edit-holic.Sure but advertising that new members cannot vote isn't going to give you an accurate statistic. I, for one, got to vote, so I'm not sure if that's even a thing but it's being advertised as one. You can't say "the poll speaks for itself" if people don't think to vote.
Anyway, as for your last post, I have no say in what the admin/mods do here. So that's up to them. But personally I support trying to keep things organized. This is why having polls is usually the best way to go. It gives everyone a chance to have their say. If only 10 people play on a server, it does seem a bit silly (to me) to have a section for them. It's not elitism, it's just a numbers game. Majority rule and all that. I also ran an RP community for Aion and this was a major topic there as well.
Furthermore, with the beta happening just last weekend you have an influx of people that might just now be stumbling across this. There needs to be more accommodation for that.
(07-01-2013, 03:53 PM)Averis Wrote: I edited my last reply, if you'd like to read it.Â
(07-01-2013, 03:49 PM)Momoni Wrote: Okay, but that goes both ways. Calling me rude when I'm not, or telling me I'm not special when I never implied I was are condescending, and there isn't just one side of the argument being picked on here.
I didn't know saying something seemed rude was a "punch". If you took it as such then I apologize. But as Kylin said, this has been going on for a while so it has become a bit frustrating. Each time I hear it, it just adds to the frustration. So it was probably more of a reply to all the previous similar requests than just your one.
As for the "special" part, that was really in general, not to you. I mean that in general when I look for a server I don't think that "I'M" special. I didn't mean to imply that you do.
It's at a stage where various opinions will be fluctuating in. Nobody is really rude, and everyone is. Because of how things are going to be perceived, and within the context is doubly important to understand that wordplay is vastly more important than the content of a post.
Impact vs. Intent, what you intend to say isn't always the impact your words will have.
RE: Gilgamesh unofficial RP server? - Nel Celestine - 07-01-2013
(07-01-2013, 04:18 PM)Momoni Wrote: I don't agree that it's being fair, I see it as a way of saying "this is the best we're willing to do" instead of "this is the best we can do" and as a universal RP hub for FF14, you need to aim for the best able, not the best willing.
Mind if we ask, in your opinion, what would be "fair" from your point of view? Please keep in mind that many of the players here have been here for over three years supporting the game and community this entire time.
RE: Gilgamesh unofficial RP server? - Alothia - 07-01-2013
*shrug* Can't please everyone, I suppose. I hope you all find great RPs wherever it is that you guys decide to go!
RE: Gilgamesh unofficial RP server? - Averis - 07-01-2013
(07-01-2013, 04:18 PM)Momoni Wrote: It's at a stage where various opinions will be fluctuating in. Nobody is really rude, and everyone is. Because of how things are going to be perceived, and within the context is doubly important to understand that wordplay is vastly more important than the content of a post.
Impact vs. Intent, what you intend to say isn't always the impact your words will have.
I do my best to not cause strife in my posts, but I'll likely make many faux pas because I'm an imperfect human. XD It's hard to always predict how people will take what your write.
RE: Gilgamesh unofficial RP server? - Sterne - 07-01-2013
(07-01-2013, 04:23 PM)Nel Celestine Wrote: Mind if we ask, in your opinion, what would be "fair" from your point of view? Please keep in mind that many of the players here have been here for over three years supporting the game and community this entire time.
Bringing up the support we've given for the past three years isn't going to help the image that new players are already getting of the existing community. To echo what Momoni said about Impact vs. Intent, the impact left behind by bringing that up in this context is not a palatable one; even to someone like me who was around (not so much on the RPC though) to support this game.
Fair would be adhering to the RPCs purpose. Giving all the RPers, new and old, a place to commune, discuss and be whole - even when that's not possible in game. Note that the banner on this page is "Hydaelyn" Roleplayers. While Balmung is where it started, things are changing now with 2.0 ARR - perhaps the RPC should as well.