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RE: The Sultansworn RP Guide - Coatleque - 01-21-2015
Below is some dialogue taken out of the latest content. I have hidden anything that could be considered "spoilers" and left only relevant lore to draw from. Points to be made below.
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What can we draw from this then to enhance our own understanding of the Sultansworn? It looks like most of our assumptions have been correct to date with the following additions:
A) Sultansworn actively recruit. They do not begin training from a young age. Anyone could join so long as they show martial prowess, and bear no hate against the Sultana
B & H) There are ranks. Or at least, there are multiple Captains. We now have another confirmed "Captain" other than Jenlyns, and she referred to herself as a "high-ranking officer" which means we can deduce there is an overall ranking system like the Flames or Blades might have.
D, E, I) The Sultansworn are tasked with the defense of the Sultanate. They have the power to do whatever is necessary to see to that very task. They take on their own investigations without prior approval from the Sultana herself. And just like the FBI or Secret Service, they do not need to share the reasons of doing so with the general public.
C) The Sultansworn are well-funded. It can be assumed, I believe, that they draw directly from the treasury if necessary and may even have private backers from wealthy royalists.
F) The Sultansworn palace guard that you see as NPCs standing around are all wearing the Squire's armor. They can mostly be viewed as new recruits, but are still fully Sultansworn.
G) The Sultansworn have the power to enforce the law. Per the Captain's command she declares someone an enemy of the state AND deploys other Sworn to track this person down.
Finally, Captain Phillice is wearing the full Gallant armor (even moreso than Jenlyns). I think it is safe to say the Paladin AF armor is the official uniform of Sworn who have moved beyond being Squires. And the fact that they are called Squires also lends credence that the Gallants are in fact Knights.
RE: The Sultansworn RP Guide - Erik Mynhier - 01-21-2015
(01-21-2015, 02:34 AM)Coatleque Wrote: Below is some dialogue taken out of the latest content. I have hidden anything that could be considered "spoilers" and left only relevant lore to draw from. Points to be made below.
What can we draw from this then to enhance our own understanding of the Sultansworn? It looks like most of our assumptions have been correct to date with the following additions:
A) Sultansworn actively recruit. They do not begin training from a young age. Anyone could join so long as they show martial prowess, and bear no hate against the Sultana
B & H) There are ranks. Or at least, there are multiple Captains. We now have another confirmed "Captain" other than Jenlyns, and she referred to herself as a "high-ranking officer" which means we can deduce there is an overall ranking system like the Flames or Blades might have.
D, E, I) The Sultansworn are tasked with the defense of the Sultanate. They have the power to do whatever is necessary to see to that very task. They take on their own investigations without prior approval from the Sultana herself. And just like the FBI or Secret Service, they do not need to share the reasons of doing so with the general public.
C) The Sultansworn are well-funded. It can be assumed, I believe, that they draw directly from the treasury if necessary and may even have private backers from wealthy royalists.
F) The Sultansworn palace guard that you see as NPCs standing around are all wearing the Squire's armor. They can mostly be viewed as new recruits, but are still fully Sultansworn.
G) The Sultansworn have the power to enforce the law. Per the Captain's command she declares someone an enemy of the state AND deploys other Sworn to track this person down.
Finally, Captain Phillice is wearing the full Gallant armor (even moreso than Jenlyns). I think it is safe to say the Paladin AF armor is the official uniform of Sworn who have moved beyond being Squires. And the fact that they are called Squires also lends credence that the Gallants are in fact Knights.
I was expecting none of these treasures today when I played these missions. I was expecting the.... usual? But all you cataloged is correct with the scenes. Guess like you said, many of us were right in how we have been playing. Score 1 for common scene and following patterns, score 0 for "lore dogs" who told us to stay in the palace.
RE: The Sultansworn RP Guide - Warren Castille - 01-21-2015
Sweet, sweet justification. Worth noting that the call to arms is specifically on account of threats to the Sultanate, though. I'm still leaning that 'Sworn are free to escalate things on behalf of defense of the sultanate and not just general adventurer shenanigans.
"HALT. THAT THIEF STOLETH THE LAST CINNAMON ROLL. I DECLARE HIM ENEMY OF THE STATE, BRING ME HIS HEAD."
RE: The Sultansworn RP Guide - Gegenji - 01-21-2015
(01-21-2015, 09:10 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: "HALT. THAT THIEF STOLETH THE LAST CINNAMON ROLL. I DECLARE HIM ENEMY OF THE STATE, BRING ME HIS HEAD."
That cinnamon roll was for the Sultana!
RE: The Sultansworn RP Guide - Warren Castille - 01-21-2015
(01-21-2015, 09:14 AM)Gegenji Wrote:(01-21-2015, 09:10 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: "HALT. THAT THIEF STOLETH THE LAST CINNAMON ROLL. I DECLARE HIM ENEMY OF THE STATE, BRING ME HIS HEAD."
That cinnamon roll was for the Sultana!
Each and every cinnamon roll is for the Sultana. I was just, erm, delivering it. NO NEED TO FOLLOW UP ON ME, SIRS, I ASSURE YOU IT SHALL ARRIVE.
RE: The Sultansworn RP Guide - Kage - 01-21-2015
I think there definitely needs to be a sultanate threat.
Note that there were the artifacts as well as the deaths involved. And then well... later it was also the WHOLE OF UL'DAH TERRORIST PLOT.
They were threatening the very fabric of Ul'dah's history and way of life. The sultanate's very credibility to rule.
RE: The Sultansworn RP Guide - Coatleque - 01-21-2015
(01-21-2015, 09:31 AM)Kage Wrote: I think there definitely needs to be a sultanate threat.
To discuss what the word itself means? I'm confused here.
The latest quests leave me with this 'Illuminati' vibe though. Have to be careful not to fall into that line of thinking. Captain Phillis may be one of the <spoiler>, but that is a separate position from being Sultansworn. She merely used her powers as an officer to further her own goals.
This at least shows us that they are still just people. We can all relax a little more in our own RP plots where the Sworn are involved. Just don't expect Crofte to be any less Paladin-y than before!
RE: The Sultansworn RP Guide - Warren Castille - 01-21-2015
(01-21-2015, 10:49 AM)Coatleque Wrote:(01-21-2015, 09:31 AM)Kage Wrote: I think there definitely needs to be a sultanate threat.
To discuss what the word itself means? I'm confused here.
The latest quests leave me with this 'Illuminati' vibe though. Have to be careful not to fall into that line of thinking. Captain Phillis may be one of the <spoiler>, but that is a separate position from being Sultansworn. She merely used her powers as an officer to further her own goals.
This at least shows us that they are still just people. We can all relax a little more in our own RP plots where the Sworn are involved. Just don't expect Crofte to be any less Paladin-y than before!
I think what Kage/myself were getting at is that the immense bill of power involved in those decrees and investigations -- namely, declaring someone enemy of the state, ordering of searches and detainment, etc -- come as a result of the Sultanate being in danger. If this was a 'Sworn watching a cutpurse rob someone in an alleyway, I'm not sure the same sort of action would be involved.
I think of it similarly to the movie scene where the cops have a crime scene locked down, and then the Suits show up and take it over. Sultanate involved, i.e. direct threat to Ul'dah or the Sultana herself? Yeah, 'Sworn lead the way. Not that scope? Call a Blade or a Flame.
RE: The Sultansworn RP Guide - Coatleque - 01-21-2015
(01-21-2015, 11:00 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: Not that scope? Call a Blade or a Flame.
Always a line I've tried to impress on others. But just seeing that the Sworn do have the power means someone could legitimately play 'bad cop' if they wanted. Not that any Paladin *cough* would want to.
RE: The Sultansworn RP Guide - Warren Castille - 01-21-2015
(01-21-2015, 11:22 AM)Coatleque Wrote:(01-21-2015, 11:00 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: Not that scope? Call a Blade or a Flame.
Always a line I've tried to impress on others. But just seeing that the Sworn do have the power means someone could legitimately play 'bad cop' if they wanted. Not that any Paladin *cough* would want to.
Mm. It can be difficult to resist shouting I AM THE LAW when people act dumb in public, though.
RE: The Sultansworn RP Guide - Sounsyy - 01-21-2015
When I was doing these cutscenes, I totally thought of you guys and was very happy for your lore confirmations. ^^ Also, that Belah'dian lore was super nice (I hope SE gives more lore heavy quests like that) even though most of it we knew from 1.0.
RE: The Sultansworn RP Guide - Kage - 01-21-2015
I'm not going to lie. I was totally ready to /sh in Ul'dah to certain griefers about how no Sultansworn are not out of jobs and that those RPing as Sultansworn have mostly been right about how they RP'd as Sultansworn.
RE: The Sultansworn RP Guide - Gegenji - 01-21-2015
(01-21-2015, 12:36 PM)Kage Wrote: I'm not going to lie. I was totally ready to /sh in Ul'dah to certain griefers about how no Sultansworn are not out of jobs and that those RPing as Sultansworn have mostly been right about how they RP'd as Sultansworn.
Don't feed the griefers, Kage. Then they'll just come back for more.
RE: The Sultansworn RP Guide - Melkire - 01-21-2015
(01-21-2015, 11:00 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: I think of it similarly to the movie scene where the cops have a crime scene locked down, and then the Suits show up and take it over. Sultanate involved, i.e. direct threat to Ul'dah or the Sultana herself? Yeah, 'Sworn lead the way. Not that scope? Call a Blade or a Flame.
Disclaimer: I've not finished 2.5 MSQ.
That said, I'd be very, very careful about equating "sultanate" with "Ul'dah". Nearly every reference I've seen makes a point of distinguishing between the two. Futhermore, there have been plenty of situations where there is a clear, direct threat to Ul'dah and the 'sworn aren't leading the way (Operation Archon, Ifrit, etc.). Again, it comes back to the law/military/federal breakdown.
RE: The Sultansworn RP Guide - Warren Castille - 01-21-2015
(01-21-2015, 02:34 AM)Coatleque Wrote:
Here be spoilers, sorta. Well, yes, spoilers, but I haven't finished the quest yet either.