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RE: Retconning - Verranicus - 10-23-2014
(10-23-2014, 11:44 AM)Aldotsk Wrote: I just said, it is PLAYER's wish to whether they want to stick with it or change the plot completely if it discomforts them. Why bother pushing a player into keep or doing something that they are not okay with it? Just because -you- like it?
What Warren said is agreeable that you -can- make a decision whether you want to keep that plot memory in your character's background or just completely erase it from the boards because you feel that it is not helping you to progress further part of the plot because you wanted something bigger for the future with that Player B.
If someone stabbed my character by accident and he's in jail because of his mistake and then he PMs me that he wants to retcon because he made a mistake - I won't hold it against him and agree to cooperate. I retcon sometimes if I have to, and me retconning the whole Garlean story for my alt and etc has to be altered now since it is confirmed that Garleans who are pure blood have no abilities to use aether magic.
Let the cards collapse and make it into a newer deck and reshape the cards into a house again. Never said the house of cards had to remain as it stands.
You should be using these events, good or bad, to shape your character. You can't just erase what you don't like.
RE: Retconning - Aldotsk - 10-23-2014
(10-23-2014, 11:41 AM)Verranicus Wrote: There is not enough lore on the Far East or Doma to base a character around yet. People are just using it's existence as an excuse to roleplay their anime wannabe characters with impetus.
It's not about being a rebel or fighting the system, it's about taking the world your character exists in and making your story realistic. If you need some fancy backstory just to stand out, you're probably lacking in actual RP skills or you need to find better people to RP with.
How is playing Japanese style of character "anime wannabe character"? You are just now stereotyping that all Asian type of characters are considered as anime wannabe characters. There are plenty of Eorzean characters that players make are like anime style, and they'd be considered anime-wannabe characters. You who has played Anime style video games should understand the concept that NOT all Asian oriented characters should be stereotyped to be anime characters.
This game is Final -Fantasy- which means it's not 100% realistic. It's got fantasy fictional unnatural things that happen in this game, and it cannot be viewed as some Medieval content of view back in 1400-1500s since there were no such thing as Magitek vehicles or giant Bahamut blowing continents away.Â
Also lacking in Actual RP skills? Who are you to judge that people have good RP skills or not? That's just elitism and narrow minded in your words. I would suggest you to recollect and be careful with what you say in words.
RE: Retconning - Aya - 10-23-2014
If its something minor and all involved parties agree, I can't really object. I'm usually someone willing to offer, or suggest it, in cases where the ramifications to a character may be vastly greater than the player likely expected (see the recent discussion regarding Natalie's death).
What I don't like is the idea that large amounts of past interaction can be wiped off the table because their context is now inconvenient or annoying (for example, because you're trying to extricate yourself from a relationship with someone who's quit the game, and don't want to bother writing out an end to it). That to me just really doesn't sit right.
RE: Retconning - Aldotsk - 10-23-2014
(10-23-2014, 11:48 AM)Verranicus Wrote:(10-23-2014, 11:44 AM)Aldotsk Wrote: I just said, it is PLAYER's wish to whether they want to stick with it or change the plot completely if it discomforts them. Why bother pushing a player into keep or doing something that they are not okay with it? Just because -you- like it?
What Warren said is agreeable that you -can- make a decision whether you want to keep that plot memory in your character's background or just completely erase it from the boards because you feel that it is not helping you to progress further part of the plot because you wanted something bigger for the future with that Player B.
If someone stabbed my character by accident and he's in jail because of his mistake and then he PMs me that he wants to retcon because he made a mistake - I won't hold it against him and agree to cooperate. I retcon sometimes if I have to, and me retconning the whole Garlean story for my alt and etc has to be altered now since it is confirmed that Garleans who are pure blood have no abilities to use aether magic.
Let the cards collapse and make it into a newer deck and reshape the cards into a house again. Never said the house of cards had to remain as it stands.
You should be using these events, good or bad, to shape your character. You can't just erase what you don't like.
There are TIMES when a person needs to erase it when it's necessary. It's not your decision to say what they can do and what they cannot do. You aren't the developer of the game nor the game master of the game. You can freely ignore players or myself if -you- think your roleplaying style doesn't match with other players.Â
What you are saying is "Oh you made a mistake and you are ruining your character and your player skills. What you've done is permanent. I will not consider you to fix anything because you already made a mistake in-character."
RE: Retconning - Warren Castille - 10-23-2014
Everyone chill. There's no right or wrong here and we can discuss the differences without needing to tear one another down. Forums are also like card houses, and only Godzilla and mods get to erase people and... Well, this one got away from me. /backseatmodmode
The issue with allowing minor retcons all the time (if needed) is that it can completely eliminate continuity. If I make Warren snap and just start smiting the Quicksand one night and then log in the next day saying "Sorry, had a lot to drink, undo last night" I'm now impacting the RP of a LOT of people! Bystanders, people who responded, people who've never met me. We share a world, and when things happen in public it's unreasonable, in my opinion, to expect everyone to just let you rewind time to bear no consequences or see how something turns out another way instead.
No save states in my RP, please.
RE: Retconning - Verranicus - 10-23-2014
(10-23-2014, 11:53 AM)Aldotsk Wrote:(10-23-2014, 11:48 AM)Verranicus Wrote:(10-23-2014, 11:44 AM)Aldotsk Wrote: I just said, it is PLAYER's wish to whether they want to stick with it or change the plot completely if it discomforts them. Why bother pushing a player into keep or doing something that they are not okay with it? Just because -you- like it?
What Warren said is agreeable that you -can- make a decision whether you want to keep that plot memory in your character's background or just completely erase it from the boards because you feel that it is not helping you to progress further part of the plot because you wanted something bigger for the future with that Player B.
If someone stabbed my character by accident and he's in jail because of his mistake and then he PMs me that he wants to retcon because he made a mistake - I won't hold it against him and agree to cooperate. I retcon sometimes if I have to, and me retconning the whole Garlean story for my alt and etc has to be altered now since it is confirmed that Garleans who are pure blood have no abilities to use aether magic.
Let the cards collapse and make it into a newer deck and reshape the cards into a house again. Never said the house of cards had to remain as it stands.
You should be using these events, good or bad, to shape your character. You can't just erase what you don't like.
There are TIMES when a person needs to erase it when it's necessary. It's not your decision to say what they can do and what they cannot do. You aren't the developer of the game nor the game master of the game. You can freely ignore players or myself if -you- think your roleplaying style doesn't match with other players.Â
What you are saying is "Oh you made a mistake and you are ruining your character and your player skills. What you've done is permanent. I will not consider you to fix anything because you already made a mistake in-character."
What's the point of RPing if there's no continuity or consequences for your actions?
RE: Retconning - Aldotsk - 10-23-2014
(10-23-2014, 11:56 AM)Verranicus Wrote:What's the point of RPing with someone who will just troll and grief players because they make mistakes and take every words by hand by players small or big mistakes?(10-23-2014, 11:53 AM)Aldotsk Wrote:(10-23-2014, 11:48 AM)Verranicus Wrote:(10-23-2014, 11:44 AM)Aldotsk Wrote: I just said, it is PLAYER's wish to whether they want to stick with it or change the plot completely if it discomforts them. Why bother pushing a player into keep or doing something that they are not okay with it? Just because -you- like it?
What Warren said is agreeable that you -can- make a decision whether you want to keep that plot memory in your character's background or just completely erase it from the boards because you feel that it is not helping you to progress further part of the plot because you wanted something bigger for the future with that Player B.
If someone stabbed my character by accident and he's in jail because of his mistake and then he PMs me that he wants to retcon because he made a mistake - I won't hold it against him and agree to cooperate. I retcon sometimes if I have to, and me retconning the whole Garlean story for my alt and etc has to be altered now since it is confirmed that Garleans who are pure blood have no abilities to use aether magic.
Let the cards collapse and make it into a newer deck and reshape the cards into a house again. Never said the house of cards had to remain as it stands.
You should be using these events, good or bad, to shape your character. You can't just erase what you don't like.
There are TIMES when a person needs to erase it when it's necessary. It's not your decision to say what they can do and what they cannot do. You aren't the developer of the game nor the game master of the game. You can freely ignore players or myself if -you- think your roleplaying style doesn't match with other players.Â
What you are saying is "Oh you made a mistake and you are ruining your character and your player skills. What you've done is permanent. I will not consider you to fix anything because you already made a mistake in-character."
What's the point of RPing if there's no continuity or consequences for your actions?
RE: Retconning - Kage - 10-23-2014
(10-23-2014, 12:21 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: What's the point of RPing with someone who will just troll and grief players because they make mistakes and take every words by hand by players small or big mistakes?What.
RE: Retconning - Aya - 10-23-2014
Okay, this is getting really silly :-X
RE: Retconning - Warren Castille - 10-23-2014
Something is very wrong when I am the middle ground between people fighting on the forums.
RE: Retconning - Verranicus - 10-23-2014
(10-23-2014, 12:21 PM)Aldotsk Wrote:(10-23-2014, 11:56 AM)Verranicus Wrote:What's the point of RPing with someone who will just troll and grief players because they make mistakes and take every words by hand by players small or big mistakes?(10-23-2014, 11:53 AM)Aldotsk Wrote:(10-23-2014, 11:48 AM)Verranicus Wrote:(10-23-2014, 11:44 AM)Aldotsk Wrote: I just said, it is PLAYER's wish to whether they want to stick with it or change the plot completely if it discomforts them. Why bother pushing a player into keep or doing something that they are not okay with it? Just because -you- like it?
What Warren said is agreeable that you -can- make a decision whether you want to keep that plot memory in your character's background or just completely erase it from the boards because you feel that it is not helping you to progress further part of the plot because you wanted something bigger for the future with that Player B.
If someone stabbed my character by accident and he's in jail because of his mistake and then he PMs me that he wants to retcon because he made a mistake - I won't hold it against him and agree to cooperate. I retcon sometimes if I have to, and me retconning the whole Garlean story for my alt and etc has to be altered now since it is confirmed that Garleans who are pure blood have no abilities to use aether magic.
Let the cards collapse and make it into a newer deck and reshape the cards into a house again. Never said the house of cards had to remain as it stands.
You should be using these events, good or bad, to shape your character. You can't just erase what you don't like.
There are TIMES when a person needs to erase it when it's necessary. It's not your decision to say what they can do and what they cannot do. You aren't the developer of the game nor the game master of the game. You can freely ignore players or myself if -you- think your roleplaying style doesn't match with other players.Â
What you are saying is "Oh you made a mistake and you are ruining your character and your player skills. What you've done is permanent. I will not consider you to fix anything because you already made a mistake in-character."
What's the point of RPing if there's no continuity or consequences for your actions?
There's a difference between making a typo or jumping during an RP scene (player actions, feel free to pretend it never happened) and your character doing something you later regret (character actions). We play in a world with thousands of other people, and as such our RP will often affect people even if they're not directly involved in a scene. So, for you to just erase some RP because you as the player "changed your mind" is irresponsible and unfair to everybody else.
I'm not trolling or griefing, and I'm sorry if you got that impression.
RE: Retconning - Gaspard - 10-23-2014
my name is gaspard and this is jackass.
-slingshots himself face first at the thread-
RE: Retconning - Random Encounter - 10-23-2014
Some of you really need to step out and take a breather for a little bit. This thread an another are quickly turning into arguments that stating to edge toward personal attacks. Lets keep it civil shall we?
RE: Retconning - Aldotsk - 10-23-2014
I am sorry that I took it personally because I don't really like stereotyping things by people's cultures. Just because someone named their character Asian doesn't necessarily mean they are all bound to be one type of culture that everyone goes along with it.
That was one thing that got me worked out more than anything else and this argument started since that with multiple quotes I made on few pages ago.
*leaves the thread*
RE: Retconning - Xydane - 10-25-2014
I admit, I had to do a bit of retconnin' for Xydane's and his brother's background.
Also, would it be consider retconning if you had to change the name of an important NPC character whom is related to your character's backstory because there is an actual NPC in-game with the same exact name? FML.