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RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Zyrusticae - 08-12-2013

If they could implement gliding ala Aion, that could work, but it'd be far too much of a racial advantage, and as we can plainly see, they really, REALLY want to avoid having strong racial differentiation in the game, at least when it comes to gameplay.

RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Roda - 08-12-2013

(08-12-2013, 05:48 AM)Koren Wrote:
(08-12-2013, 05:19 AM)Roda Wrote: I was under the impression that the Miqo'te were less nature-loving, more I'm-going-to-hunt-and-eat-and-kill/play-all-of-nature.  If that's the case, these two races could be very much at odds with each other.
I will BITE you if you continue to keep me away from my sexy bunnyman abs.

I... don't really understand what that means.

Are you saying tribal peoples who hunt for food don't love nature (because hunting/playing/living in nature doesn't mean loving it) or were you saying the Miqo'te were a race who despoiled nature and thus don't love it?  Because I don't really... didn't really follow that...
Nononono.  Not saying that they're some kind of Captain Planet villain or anything, just they take what they need/ they do what they do to survive.  They may have a healthy respect for their habitat, but their reputation as poachers implies that they may not always have conservation on their minds.  In the eyes of the Viera they could be seen less as a devout lover of nature, and more as an invasive species.

RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Ashren Dotharl - 08-12-2013

(08-12-2013, 03:03 PM)Raccoon Wrote:
(08-12-2013, 05:46 AM)Ashren Snow Wrote: I highly doubt they'd ever add a winged race since the wings would be absolutely useless and would only cause mass amounts or rage among the community.

I don't see why not. If they went the EQ2 route and had them hover across the ground like Fae/Arasai, it could work. They could make it a sort of racial sprint toggle, maybe with a glide ability so they can jump off things and glide down.
Because then they'd need to start adding racial abilities for ever race, and I don't see that happening, plus they'd need to change the way physics work to incorporate the ability to glide and if they were completely unwilling to add a bit of forward momentum when you fall off a ledge, I don't see them adding gliding.

(08-12-2013, 03:45 PM)Roda Wrote: In the eyes of the Viera they could be seen less as a devout lover of nature, and more as an invasive species.

This seems more likely that they'd be a new Beastmen Tribe given how antagonistic it would make them to not just the Miqo'te, and the only city they could live in any style of harmony with would be Gridania.

RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Sarantali - 08-12-2013

(08-12-2013, 03:45 PM)Roda Wrote:
(08-12-2013, 05:48 AM)Koren Wrote:
(08-12-2013, 05:19 AM)Roda Wrote: I was under the impression that the Miqo'te were less nature-loving, more I'm-going-to-hunt-and-eat-and-kill/play-all-of-nature.  If that's the case, these two races could be very much at odds with each other.
I will BITE you if you continue to keep me away from my sexy bunnyman abs.

I... don't really understand what that means.

Are you saying tribal peoples who hunt for food don't love nature (because hunting/playing/living in nature doesn't mean loving it) or were you saying the Miqo'te were a race who despoiled nature and thus don't love it?  Because I don't really... didn't really follow that...
Nononono.  Not saying that they're some kind of Captain Planet villain or anything, just they take what they need/ they do what they do to survive.  They may have a healthy respect for their habitat, but their reputation as poachers implies that they may not always have conservation on their minds.  In the eyes of the Viera they could be seen less as a devout lover of nature, and more as an invasive species.

Poaching is more of a legal problem than a naturalistic one.

I mean, it just means that someone sneaks onto your land and hunts etc. Katniss in Hunger Games is a poacher -- and I think it's pretty clear she has a MUCH better understanding of how conservation works. Poaching is also the major crime of Robin Hood. Again, mostly legal. Heck, one of the major issues that people claimed (ironically) against Native Americans were that they were poachers because they didn't have land use rights where they hunted

Poaching has that reputation to us NOW because we inherently think of poachers as the ones who kill elephants for their tusks and leave the bodies to rot, but historically most poaching was subsistence poaching—i.e., the taking of game or fish by impoverished peasants to augment a scanty diet. Given the setting it seems much more fitting that the Miqo'te give no concern for law... not that they despoil the land or are hunting environmentally protected species and plants.

I say that because in order for THAT other quality of poaching to make sense we would also necessarily need to see a few things; first of which being those environmentally protected species and plants. But, even more than that they would either have to be a culture of consumers or a culture of trade -- they don't really qualify for either since they're isolationist-tribal for their two most major. Given their description:

Comparatively few in number, they maintain an insular group mentality within their clans, tending to avoid contact with the other races. Many individuals lead isolated lifestyles, even when living in the more populous cities.

It doesn't seem particularly likely that the Miqo'te are huge on trade. We also know that they followed certain species over as they crossed which begs us to believe they were at least originally semi-nomadic following the herds at the time. In order to have the effect on their natural surroundings they would have to over-consume. However, that's a HUGE racial quality. You don't just "hint" that a race is one of over-consumption... that'd be like leaving off a race had a war-like tendency for another! Even games that are light on their lore (GW2) bring up that sort of thing. It's absent with the articles on the Miqo'te so we can easily say that they are not over-consumers. That is to say the main "Friction" between the Miqo'te and other races seems to be predicated on their standoffishness rather than their consumption.

Mind, I've just a little bit of research so I'm still learning. If you know other articles I'd love to see them to add them to my list.

RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Roda - 08-12-2013

That's a lot to quote, so I'm not gonna. >.>;

I wasn't trying to give the impression that they were some kind of freakish locust swarm, consuming all of the things.  I was just imagining them as the Viera might see them; as outsiders that take what they need without any regard to the established balance (or rather, the balance defined by the Viera).
(Yes, I know I didn't communicate that at all, but it's what happened, ok? >.>)

You and I suspect many of the same things about them (the nomadic possibilites, the "we do for us, you do for you" vibe).

So just kinda.. woah there..

RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Desmond Aryll - 08-12-2013

Also assuming (and it's a big assumption) that Miqo'te evolved from somewhat identifiable feline and Viera from rabbit-like animals, they would inherently look at the world through different eyes.

One would have come from predators, who prey on meat, taking advantage of weaker individuals while the other race would spring from largely herbivores, who would be extremely unlikely to develop a point of view that would be similar.

Felines would be take whatever I can get away with and rabbits would be a lot more passive and not take pleasure in killing. If you've ever seen a cat kill a bird you know I'm talking about. Not evil, just predatory.

RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Regulus Heartnet - 08-12-2013

i think the male miqo te needs a better background all thou i wouldn't mind being a nuhh lucky basterds lol but side from that they're background makes them seem kinda of a wuse to me

RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Ashren Dotharl - 08-12-2013

(08-12-2013, 08:21 PM)Rush Wrote: i think the male miqo te needs a better background all thou i wouldn't mind being a nuhh lucky basterds lol but side from that they're background makes them seem kinda of a wuse to me
What about them makes them seem like wusses? The Keepers I suppose I could see to some degree since they'd primarily just be used for breeding stock since they're so rare (though apparently not rare enough to keep them from becoming adventurers) while the Seekers seem more like Lions. One Seeker male gets breeding privileges, and if any other Seeker wants the right to breed they have to beat him in combat. Nothing about that seems wuss-like to me.

As far as evolution goes, I think we can pretty much throw that out the window. The fact that the races can crossbreed means there's no genetics in the game, races just sort of... exist, which means there's no chance they evolved from anything.

RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Roda - 08-12-2013

(08-12-2013, 08:50 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote:
(08-12-2013, 08:21 PM)Rush Wrote: i think the male miqo te needs a better background all thou i wouldn't mind being a nuhh lucky basterds lol but side from that they're background makes them seem kinda of a wuse to me
As far as evolution goes, I think we can pretty much throw that out the window. The fact that the races can crossbreed means there's no genetics in the game, races just sort of... exist, which means there's no chance they evolved from anything.
The seekers' breeding methods are pretty much based on passing on strong genes to the next generation..

I'm pretty sure the living things in Hydaelyn have genes, just maybe the intelligent races are more compatible than their appearances would suggest...


(Also you two are confusing how sexually dominant a person is with how powerful a person is. I find it hard to believe a Miqo'te's role in bed is the defining basis of their entire being.)

RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Sarantali - 08-12-2013

(08-12-2013, 07:51 PM)Roda Wrote: That's a lot to quote, so I'm not gonna. >.>;

I wasn't trying to give the impression that they were some kind of freakish locust swarm, consuming all of the things.  I was just imagining them as the Viera might see them; as outsiders that take what they need without any regard to the established balance (or rather, the balance defined by the Viera).
(Yes, I know I didn't communicate that at all, but it's what happened, ok? >.>)

You and I suspect many of the same things about them (the nomadic possibilites, the "we do for us, you do for you" vibe).

So just kinda.. woah there..


Long posts from me don't mean angry. If I'm going to disagree with someone's opinion then I best have facts and reasoning to back up why I think something else. I'm never a "you're wrong because" person -- I like proving why I think this and then if you had evidence otherwise you could be all "But that doesn't logically follow because of that" averse to just stating it out.

RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Vee - 08-12-2013

I like the idea of a variety of races. Meaning A LOT of races. We all ready have quite a few races, what's ten more? It just means more diversity and more content for the devs to pump out and make us happy with. As long as it ties in with the lore (and let's face it, FF lore is easily bendable with wormholes and the like) then the game should sail smoothly into the sunset...

On a chocobo...

With a glass of lemonade and a raspberry tart..

*Feels her unicorn trip over a bulging stone protruding from the road, waking her from her daydream.* Oh! 

So Viera or Dragon, Reptilian or Rat person. I want them all! Bouncy