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RE: *sighs at Queues as DPS* - Fystrael Abylstyrwyn - 09-16-2013

What I'm having trouble with as a newbie tank is knowing when I shouldn't pull everything to me. I think I almost wiped Copperbell run on the first boss that way. Our guide (ACN), said to go in and just kill stuff.  When I saw DPS and healer with Spriggans on them I had a 'AW S****' moment and started blasting Overpower.  The damage I took ended up being too much for healer to recover me from.  I KO'd, you know the rest.

Fortunately, the guide didn't give up on me and we got through the other fights really well.  If a hissy fit had ensued, I'd probably walk though.  I dealt with enough of those in Rift when my ex-guild moaned about my DPS meter as a bard.  :\

TL;DR: I know I'm a sucky newb, but don't forget when you needed guidance either Sad

RE: *sighs at Queues as DPS* - FreelanceWizard - 09-16-2013

(09-16-2013, 08:48 AM)penniless1 Wrote: What I'm having trouble with as a newbie tank is knowing when I shouldn't pull everything to me. I think I almost wiped Copperbell run on the first boss that way. Our guide (ACN), said to go in and just kill stuff.  When I saw DPS and healer with Spriggans on them I had a 'AW S****' moment and started blasting Overpower.  The damage I took ended up being too much for healer to recover me from.  I KO'd, you know the rest.

It sounds like you got a not-so-good group. Sad In that fight, you actually do want to unleash AoEs to burn the mobs down fast, so Overpower's a good choice (Blizzard II is also great, if you've got a THM). The healer, whether ACN or CNJ, should be able to keep up with the damage, since the mobs actually don't hit that hard.

In general, as the tank, you want everything on you unless doing so would risk threat on the boss or expose other players to AoEs (or is infeasible or impossible due to the fight mechanics -- say, with the fire mote bosses in Halatali). Have you played the guildhest with Bockman yet? That's good training on when to pick up adds versus let the DPS deal with them.

RE: *sighs at Queues as DPS* - Magellan - 09-16-2013

I hate it when people rail against 'bad pugs'. We all started somewhere, and if we would just take a moment to share the information we know, instead of developing snarky, condescending attitudes, our world would be full of much stronger players.

This type of combat was new to me. I'm used to action mmo's (yes, I'm one of few who have never played WoW). If someone hadn't have taken the time to show me how to actually play my archer, I would have remained frustrated, and may have sought out another game. Now, I'm having a blast.

What seems like common sense to one, isn't for another. Don't be a D, and tuck your epeen away and actually help people out for a change.

(Not directed at anyone here :p)

RE: *sighs at Queues as DPS* - Katanyae - 09-16-2013

If anyone is having any issues with long queues, I am more than willing to offer my healing services to help. The longest I have waited is like 2 minutes, both by myself and with a DPS friend in tow

I am only up to Ifrit / Copperbell so far, however.

So! Write me down, friend me, whatever you want and say goodbye to those long dumb queues. Wink

RE: *sighs at Queues as DPS* - Fystrael Abylstyrwyn - 09-16-2013

(09-16-2013, 09:00 AM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: It sounds like you got a not-so-good group. Sad In that fight, you actually do want to unleash AoEs to burn the mobs down fast, so Overpower's a good choice (Blizzard II is also great, if you've got a THM). The healer, whether ACN or CNJ, should be able to keep up with the damage, since the mobs actually don't hit that hard.

That's makes me feel both better (I'm not a stoopid tank!) and worse (OMG how can I not recognize bad healing?).

(09-16-2013, 09:00 AM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: In general, as the tank, you want everything on you unless doing so would risk threat on the boss or expose other players to AoEs (or is infeasible or impossible due to the fight mechanics -- say, with the fire mote bosses in Halatali). Have you played the guildhest with Bockman yet? That's good training on when to pick up adds versus let the DPS deal with them.

I did do that, but I'll do it again.  I need to work on positioning before Ifrit anyhow.

RE: *sighs at Queues as DPS* - FreelanceWizard - 09-16-2013

(09-16-2013, 10:13 AM)Magellan Wrote: I hate it when people rail against 'bad pugs'. We all started somewhere, and if we would just take a moment to share the information we know, instead of developing snarky, condescending attitudes, our world would be full of much stronger players.

Agreed! I always try to walk DF groups through the mechanics and offer help on how to approach tough fights. If I'm new to the dungeon, I always ask for help and take advice if I do something wrong. We're all newbies at something. Smile

RE: *sighs at Queues as DPS* - LiadansWhisper - 09-16-2013

(09-16-2013, 08:48 AM)penniless1 Wrote: What I'm having trouble with as a newbie tank is knowing when I shouldn't pull everything to me. I think I almost wiped Copperbell run on the first boss that way. Our guide (ACN), said to go in and just kill stuff.  When I saw DPS and healer with Spriggans on them I had a 'AW S****' moment and started blasting Overpower.  The damage I took ended up being too much for healer to recover me from.  I KO'd, you know the rest.

Fortunately, the guide didn't give up on me and we got through the other fights really well.  If a hissy fit had ensued, I'd probably walk though.  I dealt with enough of those in Rift when my ex-guild moaned about my DPS meter as a bard.  :\

TL;DR: I know I'm a sucky newb, but don't forget when you needed guidance either Sad

I'm really not sure that you did anything wrong here.  A healer having adds on them is bad, and they need to be picked up (unless it's something like a fixate, and even then, the adds still need to die ASAP).  Did you just not get out of the AoE?  Because yeah, that'll one shot you.

If you need a healer, poke me.  As long as I'm not being dragged by my ear through something, I'm generally happy to help new tanks.

RE: *sighs at Queues as DPS* - Oroban - 09-16-2013

(09-16-2013, 08:48 AM)penniless1 Wrote: What I'm having trouble with as a newbie tank is knowing when I shouldn't pull everything to me. I think I almost wiped Copperbell run on the first boss that way. Our guide (ACN), said to go in and just kill stuff.  When I saw DPS and healer with Spriggans on them I had a 'AW S****' moment and started blasting Overpower.  The damage I took ended up being too much for healer to recover me from.  I KO'd, you know the rest.

Fortunately, the guide didn't give up on me and we got through the other fights really well.  If a hissy fit had ensued, I'd probably walk though.  I dealt with enough of those in Rift when my ex-guild moaned about my DPS meter as a bard.  :\

TL;DR: I know I'm a sucky newb, but don't forget when you needed guidance either Sad
I had the exact same problem at that fight, but being a gladiator I slapped on rampart, fleet of foot, and keen flurry (yay cross-classing!) while spamming blind-flash, and thankfully my DPS ground them down before they could chew me up too bad. My only KO was from finding out that the non-boss blasting caps insta-kill you when they explode. Oops.

RE: *sighs at Queues as DPS* - Edgar Callant - 09-16-2013

(09-16-2013, 01:43 PM)Oroban Wrote: I had the exact same problem at that fight, but being a gladiator I slapped on rampart, fleet of foot, and keen flurry (yay cross-classing!) while spamming blind-flash, and thankfully my DPS ground them down before they could chew me up too bad. My only KO was from finding out that the non-boss blasting caps insta-kill you when they explode. Oops.

That was my first dirt nap in any dungeon encounter. I didn't realize the charge till too late and was in middle of global so I couldn't stun. Knocked everyone but the healer out of the fight lol.

He proceeded to run for the exit.

RE: *sighs at Queues as DPS* - Fystrael Abylstyrwyn - 09-16-2013

(09-16-2013, 01:43 PM)Oroban Wrote: My only KO was from finding out that the non-boss blasting caps insta-kill you when they explode. Oops.

See, I did that fight fine.  It was the one before that that I ended up dead.  I usually don't dirt-nap so early unless DPS pulls too early or healer is positioned badly.

RE: *sighs at Queues as DPS* - Swift Nightclaw - 09-16-2013

Back in MY day, we had to form friendships and contacts in these here worlds to go out and adventure t'gether. Weren't none of this here, random stranger group slapped together an' never see none of 'em again!  AND WE WERE GRATEFUL FER IT!!!

Cool

Whenever I start to get discouraged by a queue, I just think back to "Warrior LFG" forever and ever in FF XI and spending 1.5 hours looking for group for every 30-60 minutes actually playing. :/

RE: *sighs at Queues as DPS* - Oroban - 09-16-2013

(09-16-2013, 02:43 PM)penniless1 Wrote:
(09-16-2013, 01:43 PM)Oroban Wrote: My only KO was from finding out that the non-boss blasting caps insta-kill you when they explode. Oops.

See, I did that fight fine.  It was the one before that that I ended up dead.  I usually don't dirt-nap so early unless DPS pulls too early or healer is positioned badly.
That was actually my only down while tanking so far (Maybe...10 dungeons so far?), and it was only me, since it was the last enemy alive and it only dropped me. I got a raise, we went on to fight the ooze, life was good. I just wasn't expecting a random mook's AoE to be an instant death technique. That'll teach me, I guess!

RE: *sighs at Queues as DPS* - Kerr - 09-16-2013

Lately, I've been getting a little discouraged as a tank. I love the class and I love to help people, but I think there comes a time when everyone needs to step back from abuse or frustration and take a break. That's why my fisher is at level 32 right now. Heh. Anyway, what I wanted to say was: I know I'm not the best tank ever, but I can learn. Most people want to be good at their class/job; to be valued. Be kind to your tanks, advise them when you can. Most will listen. 

And if they don't, you can poke me to help you. I'm probably just fishing. Big Grin Level 37 and climbing.

RE: *sighs at Queues as DPS* - Oroban - 09-16-2013

(09-16-2013, 04:58 PM)Kerr Wrote: Lately, I've been getting a little discouraged as a tank. I love the class and I love to help people, but I think there comes a time when everyone needs to step back from abuse or frustration and take a break. That's why my fisher is at level 32 right now. Heh. Anyway, what I wanted to say was: I know I'm not the best tank ever, but I can learn. Most people want to be good at their class/job; to be valued. Be kind to your tanks, advise them when you can. Most will listen. 

And if they don't, you can poke me to help you. I'm probably just fishing. Big Grin Level 37 and climbing.
I know what you mean, I've only been a tank for a few days and it's burning me out already. Run a copperbell party, tell the new people about the bosses, and an archer (of course it's an archer.) at the last boss decides; "Ignoring the adds and focusing on the boss the entire fight is the better plan, you must be new or something." We proceed to barely win the fight, with about 6-7 extra giants in the room with us at that point, mind you. His comment then? "That fight took too long, you guys should do more damage."

RE: *sighs at Queues as DPS* - LiadansWhisper - 09-16-2013

Dunno what your times are, Kerr and Oroban, but I'd be happy to help you out tonight after my WoW raid.

Tanking gets a lot better at the higher levels.