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RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Aldotsk - 06-24-2013
(06-24-2013, 10:42 AM)Ellie Wrote:(06-24-2013, 10:07 AM)Aldotsk Wrote: But regardless, I think veteran/legacy LSs/group should consider accepting new players than closing recruitment or isolate the newcomers from their usual roleplaying group. New players are the main things that makes this community stronger than the veteran players in my honest opinion.
What LS/group are you referring to? As far as I know every group here who is accepting members is accepting newcomers and legacy players alike.
I've actually looked at the LS recruitment and other LS lists through this site, and some were closed and were not accepting new members. I will not mention any names up here since it'll cause more commotions than it should.Â
Group, maybe they would accept newcomers and legacy players . But I dont think it's the same for LS.
RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Curtis West - 06-24-2013
Quote:Part of the main reason my group of friends and I don't want to join a Legacy server is because we feel the RP aspect of leveling up/gaining strength should be a big part of the RP experience. What I mean to say is that everyone starts from scratch; how long it takes others to reach max level (being semi-serious PVE'ers) is important to us since we pride ourselves on being somewhat skilled in that part of the game.Well, it's news to me that people don't RP levels and gear. I guess I was planning to by default without realizing the alternative option. I do want to make note though, that it's natural to have people who are better than you (especially when you start out). I mean, unless you want to play as "heroes" of the realm or something, it shouldn't be a problem to allow the fact that certain people are more experienced, right? I mean, that's just how it is in RL, so it'd seem like pretty realistic RP!
Some people have different styles of RP and correlate their actual level/gear into their RP.. which I'm okay with, honestly. With that in mind it would be a little overwhelming to join a server and already feel 'outranked' in that aspect though.
As far as my testimonial goes: I have played some 1.0 and never RPed. When I discovered this community (after finding out that people actually RP in an mmoRPg) people have been really friendly and informative. Not only am I new to the community of 2+years but also new to RP, and folks have been really nice. After posting in the mentor thread a had a few people go out of their way to PM me and offered help with the character concept. I myself PMed a few people to thank them for very informative posts, and I believe we began a back and forth dialogue that may carry over into possible RP in the future.
I've had plenty of suggestions/help with a sub-community / linkshell "Eorzean Labor Union" which was just a rough idea when I dreamed it up. Thanks to those 1.0 people, it's now a formed concept ready to accept ANY DoH/DoL. Obviously I wouldn't make a community that left out people like myself, newbies to Hydaelyn Roleplayers. Joining a "primary" guild was pretty easy all things considering. I PM'ed the leader of a guild I liked, and after some correspondence to make sure we were a good fit, I was invited in! I didn't feel discriminated against, even though it is a heavy RP guild and I am a new RPer.Â
I never felt excluded from any discussion even though I asked general questions about RP even within said discussions. Now I really feel like a poster child for how welcoming the Legacy people are, so I'll stop with the personal examples.
I feel that if some new people do not feel comfortable, they should just go wherever. No amount of debating will make a certain number of them comfortable. Â I personally don't have issues with approaching people and wedging myself into the community, not that a lot of that was required here. I don't understand the "awkward" people, that's just not me... Â but I am pretty sure I'd be annoyed by the constant groaning of exclusion when all the doors are wide open, so I'd actually prefer them go to a brand new server and make hay there.Â
Sorry if that came across as mean... I would prefer to be in a server with all RPers there, the world would feel even more alive then. But if no amount of reasoning can make that happen, I am all for people doing whatever they feel happy with at the momentÂ
RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Nel Celestine - 06-24-2013
(06-24-2013, 12:26 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: I've actually looked at the LS recruitment and other LS lists through this site, and some were closed and were not accepting new members. I will not mention any names up here since it'll cause more commotions than it should.Â
Group, maybe they would accept newcomers and legacy players . But I dont think it's the same for LS.
I just would like to jump in here and say that while Crystalline is 'closed' per say at the moment. We are still encouraging people to check out our forms and get to know us. We're only 'closed' because the check ICly doesn't exist yet.
RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Aldotsk - 06-24-2013
@Curtis-West:
I would not honestly say the way you worded sounded mean. Which in some ways, you are indeed correct. However I will leave my final decision when the actual open beta happens. Until then, I'd like to open my ideals to have a different server too, in case if Balmung gets either laggy or full or whatever it might occur as well. Â Thank you though.
RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Ellie - 06-24-2013
(06-24-2013, 12:26 PM)Aldotsk Wrote:(06-24-2013, 10:42 AM)Ellie Wrote:(06-24-2013, 10:07 AM)Aldotsk Wrote: But regardless, I think veteran/legacy LSs/group should consider accepting new players than closing recruitment or isolate the newcomers from their usual roleplaying group. New players are the main things that makes this community stronger than the veteran players in my honest opinion.
What LS/group are you referring to? As far as I know every group here who is accepting members is accepting newcomers and legacy players alike.
I've actually looked at the LS recruitment and other LS lists through this site, and some were closed and were not accepting new members. I will not mention any names up here since it'll cause more commotions than it should.Â
Group, maybe they would accept newcomers and legacy players . But I dont think it's the same for LS.
The only LS I know of is Crystalline, which is waiting until the organization is formed in character before accepting new members, legacy or not. They're not doing it to keep non-legacy members out, they're just waiting until they can play out the group's establishment in game, and once recruitment opens again everyone who wants to will be able to join.
That said, there a handful non-legacy people who are already in Crystalline who joined just before they stopped accepting members. It's not something that non-legacy people should be taking personally.
RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Crow - 06-24-2013
If it really is a big as issue as everyone is making it to be, why doesn't everyone who wants to RP just start on a new server, including legacy players. Pretty sure that would break down any 'walls' that are being theorized
On to a more serious matter though; why July 1st? We have about a week left and I doubt any kind of side announcement such as an official-unofficial RP server is going to be pushed to the top of Yoshi's things-to-do list. With open beta probably not starting until early August I would suggest moving that poll to around then. It's not like anyone is going to be RPing while testing in the beta is going on and we're just twiddling our thumbs outside of the game.
 Just my two cents. ~
RE: The RPC and the RP Server - blackdrakon - 06-24-2013
(06-24-2013, 02:58 PM)Crow Wrote: It's not like anyone is going to be RPing while testing in the beta is going on and we're just twiddling our thumbs outside of the game.
Sure they are.. Have you read the events section lately?
RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Ellie - 06-24-2013
(06-24-2013, 02:58 PM)Crow Wrote: If it really is a big as issue as everyone is making it to be, why doesn't everyone who wants to RP just start on a new server, including legacy players. Pretty sure that would break down any 'walls' that are being theorized
I'm trying to understand why the very people who want to move to a new server because (as I understand it) they don't want to waste their effort competing against an already established economy and/or endgame community, would then turn around and ask everyone else to throw away all the effort they put into their character and start over again.
I've seen this several times now, and it makes less sense every time.
RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Crow - 06-24-2013
(06-24-2013, 03:02 PM)blackdrakon Wrote:I have :o I am not on that server, nor will I have time to re-roll to jump off to that island. Guess I'm speaking for the majority here.. or perhaps the minority? Not sure how much time everyone has on their hands and what servers they joined.. I guess it's not good to assume.(06-24-2013, 02:58 PM)Crow Wrote: It's not like anyone is going to be RPing while testing in the beta is going on and we're just twiddling our thumbs outside of the game.
Sure they are.. Have you read the events section lately?
RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Desphiria - 06-24-2013
Crow has a good point though, why the 1st of July? Since everybody seemed to not read what Crow mentioned, why not just wait until they announce it or put it in the open beta about what servers are gonna be official rp servers instead of just waiting and then suddenly, "NO ANNOUNCEMENT STILL?! Fawk Yoshi-p we're going to make Balmung our official server?"
Why not just go to Balmung, wait until the game ACTUALLY comes out then if they do an official server and it's NOT Balmung, just stay on Balmung or move to the official server they created? If that even makes sense, and I hope it doesn't sound mean.
And besides, no matter HOW high everyone is right now, their characters are most likely going to be wiped before Open Beta or before the game is officially out anyone which means, EVERYONE is going to have to start over regardless.
Furthermore and I'm probably just ranted now and I STILL hope this doesn't sound like I'm being mean or being stubborn or being high and mighty or whatever it is you guys want to call it, WHY are we even FUSSING about this when NOBODY knows for SURE yet? Yeah there are beta rp events going on and SOME people don't even HAVE beta so SOME people can't even come, so why is this making people all "what if-y about everything now anyways?
RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Crow - 06-24-2013
(06-24-2013, 03:09 PM)Ellie Wrote:(06-24-2013, 02:58 PM)Crow Wrote: If it really is a big as issue as everyone is making it to be, why doesn't everyone who wants to RP just start on a new server, including legacy players. Pretty sure that would break down any 'walls' that are being theorized
I'm trying to understand why the very people who want to move to a new server because (as I understand it) they don't want to waste their effort competing against an already established economy and/or endgame community, would then turn around and ask everyone else to throw away all the effort they put into their character and start over again.
I've seen this several times now, and it makes less sense every time.
(I hope this is not a double post.. still not super familiar with this forum layout.. !)
I think you answered your very own question there. The fact of the matter is, we're not asking anyone to do anything really.. it's us who are being asked to join a specific server instead of establishing ourselves in a new world.Â
Depending on what side of the argument you're sitting on, you can use either train of thought to defend yourself.. It's sort of why I kicked my own statement in my post following about not totally being serious. The chances of talking my group of friends into joining a legacy server has about a 99% failure rate. If we begin to talk numbers (and this is me assuming again, I know I really shouldn't) won't the influx of people be the majority over the established group that has been here for a while? If you really did want to see the RP community flourish wouldn't you do anything in your power to see it grow in the best way possible?Â
The real shame would be if there was no official non-legacy server announced by Yoshi and as such, the non-legacy server wouldn't be totally backed by this established community and the two communities would therefore be split down the middle.
RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Auralily - 06-24-2013
(06-24-2013, 02:58 PM)Crow Wrote: If it really is a big as issue as everyone is making it to be, why doesn't everyone who wants to RP just start on a new server, including legacy players. Pretty sure that would break down any 'walls' that are being theorized :P
On to a more serious matter though; why July 1st? We have about a week left and I doubt any kind of side announcement such as an official-unofficial RP server is going to be pushed to the top of Yoshi's things-to-do list. With open beta probably not starting until early August I would suggest moving that poll to around then. It's not like anyone is going to be RPing while testing in the beta is going on and we're just twiddling our thumbs outside of the game.
 Just my two cents. ~
That's the thing. It doesn't seem to be a big issue. One person has made it sound like it will be, and everyone responding to it has made it sound bigger than it really is.
And how would everyone leaving the server help? It forces Legacy players to start over, and keeps any loyal people to the alleged linkshells that don't necessarily agree, but have friends there and would like to stay, from getting to RP with the rest of the community.
But maybe I'm just selfish wanting all the RPers together :p So I have a larger community to be with. I still maintain that people should give a Balmung a shot, before declaring it a "cool kids" clique club of 1.0 RPers vs ARR RPers. Since I have seen no evidence that seems to be the case. The one linkshell that has been mentioned, was last edited in -April-. And I'd like to point out the last line of that recruitment message.
Crystalline
Quote:In spite of our temporary recruitment hold, most of us are still eager to carry on with role-play with anybody from the greater RP community!
There is twenty-three linkshell posts (Unless I miss counted) and only one says they are not accepting new members. And the one, as I quoted above, is eager to RP with the greater RP community (Or most of the members). :)
RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Crow - 06-24-2013
(06-24-2013, 03:18 PM)Desphiria Wrote: Crow has a good point though, why the 1st of July? Since everybody seemed to not read what Crow mentioned, why not just wait until they announce it or put it in the open beta about what servers are gonna be official rp servers instead of just waiting and then suddenly, "NO ANNOUNCEMENT STILL?! Fawk Yoshi-p we're going to make Balmung our official server?"
Why not just go to Balmung, wait until the game ACTUALLY comes out then if they do an official server and it's NOT Balmung, just stay on Balmung or move to the official server they created? If that even makes sense, and I hope it doesn't sound mean.
And besides, no matter HOW high everyone is right now, their characters are most likely going to be wiped before Open Beta or before the game is officially out anyone which means, EVERYONE is going to have to start over regardless.
Furthermore and I'm probably just ranted now and I STILL hope this doesn't sound like I'm being mean or being stubborn or being high and mighty or whatever it is you guys want to call it, WHY are we even FUSSING about this when NOBODY knows for SURE yet? Yeah there are beta rp events going on and SOME people don't even HAVE beta so SOME people can't even come, so why is this making people all "what if-y about everything now anyways?
I think we're strictly talking about the FF14 1.0 characters that will be transferred to the legacy servers.. People won't be losing much o.o
(06-24-2013, 03:22 PM)Auralily Wrote: That's the thing. It doesn't seem to be a big issue. One person has made it sound like it will be, and everyone responding to it has made it sound bigger than it really is.
And how would everyone leaving the server help? It forces Legacy players to start over, and keeps any loyal people to the alleged linkshells that don't necessarily agree, but have friends there and would like to stay, from getting to RP with the rest of the community.
But maybe I'm just selfish wanting all the RPers together :p So I have a larger community to be with. I still maintain that people should give a Balmung a shot, before declaring it a "cool kids" clique club of 1.0 RPers vs ARR RPers. Since I have seen no evidence that seems to be the case. The one linkshell that has been mentioned, was last edited in -April-. And I'd like to point out the last line of that recruitment message.
Crystalline
Quote:In spite of our temporary recruitment hold, most of us are still eager to carry on with role-play with anybody from the greater RP community!
There is twenty-three linkshell posts (Unless I miss counted) and only one says they are not accepting new members. And the one, as I quoted above, is eager to RP with the greater RP community (Or most of the members).
Gonna go off topic a bit to shed light on one of the technical standpoints here.. why is the term linkshell being brought up so often and spoken so highly of? Isn't it just a group-chat system? Did it have a greater purpose in 1.0?
RE: The RPC and the RP Server - DimmerMeerkat - 06-24-2013
I just want to put in my two cents on the matter~
I'm a very new addition to the FFXIV RP community. I didn't so much as glance at 1.0, despite being an FFXI vet. So, it goes without saying that I was not in some of the earlier betas. When Rakka'li and I toyed around with creating characters together, I thought that I might try out ARR eventually--but I didn't imagine I'd get terribly sucked in. During the character development process, my desire to test out ARR grew, and I came across a stroke of luck. The founder of the legion I once ran in Aion, and my co-administrator on ArcheAgeRoleplay, was once a very active member of the FFXIV RPC, who no longer held any interest for the game. He was kind enough to gift me with his beta invite code, with which I created a new account to participate in Phase 3 of the beta test.
My first time touching ARR was last week. I came in to it totally green. I could barely figure out what keys to use to open key menus, like character information, inventory, skills, etc. More or less, I figured a lot of this out on my own, but for some of the more complex matters regarding both lore and gameplay, I turned to the RPC. I am in two linkshells, and frequently on the Skype chat. For me, the RPC has been nothing short of helpful and inclusive. Rarely have I felt like I fit in to an already established community before. It has been a wonderful experience.
So, my advice to those who want to avoid legacy players is this:
Don't.
I know it's frustrating sometimes to feel left behind, but the RPC doesn't let you feel that way in-game. While legacy characters have yet to be thrown in to the mix with non-legacy characters, the attitudes of the people behind both new and old characters is positive and helpful. Many of the people I've spoken with who do have legacy characters are also intending on starting new mains, or leveling new classes fromt he ground up, which puts them in almost the same boat as those of us who are brand new.
I personally feel that avoiding the legacy players is akin to sitting on the edge of a branch belonging to a deeply rooted tree, and cutting off the part you're perched on. If you worry too much about how much "better" other players are than you at the begining, you're falling victim to your pride and you're depriving yourself of a valuable resource. I have not once come across a player who would rather leave new players in the dust and tout their superior status than they would like to give them a hand up and integrate them in to the game that they all want to see thrive and succeed. I'm sure people like this exist, but wherever they are, I have yet to see them--and I can't see many of the active vets here getting along with such a person.
That's all I got for ya, RPC. ^^
RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Desphiria - 06-24-2013
Oooooh, *blink blinks* Ooops, sorry guys. I feel dumb now. Just... ignore me. Eheh
I'm just gonna go over here, in the corner.... *wanders off and hides*
But, I still don't get it thoughs, I mean... I already feel dumb cause I jumped to conclusions I think, so sorry again everybody. XS But, I don't get it. Why would someone not want to be with experienced people if they never RPed in this setting before? I mean I saw the explanations and it makes sense I guess but still, I would LOVE to be with them so they could at least help me.
If your friends don't wanna RP on the server with legacy people and wanna try to get used to it themselves and you wanna RP with the experienced peoples, you could make another character to use with your friends only and a character to use with the experienced people. *nod nods*