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RE: [Spoilers] heavensward lore discussion - Cato - 06-28-2015
It's likely something that'll be a future dungeon. Much in the same way as you can see Neverreap from a distance in the Sea of Clouds.
RE: [Spoilers] heavensward lore discussion - Kellach Woods - 06-28-2015
Neverreap we can actually reach though even if we can't actually go in.
RE: [Spoilers] heavensward lore discussion - Zyrusticae - 06-28-2015
(06-28-2015, 08:45 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: Posting in here instead of the screenshot thread, but...Wha? No, that's totally Allagan design. The shape of the glowy bits is a dead giveaway.
What the fuck is that? Looks Garlean, but at the same time, like a mecha-Bismarck.
![[Image: P92rULg.png]](http://i.imgur.com/P92rULg.png)
Garlean constructs are much, much more subdued, usually much more hunks of metal than the crazy avant garde sci-fi the Allagans have going on.
RE: [Spoilers] heavensward lore discussion - V'aleera - 06-28-2015
I'm unconvinced that Y'shtola is actually blind. That's a fairly major impediment and development to deal with and most of the dialogue relating to Y'shtola's new capability has been fairly off-hand. She even mentioned at one point that Alphinaud "looked different".
I'm open to being wrong, but at the moment I am skeptical.
RE: [Spoilers] heavensward lore discussion - Bryn - 06-28-2015
(06-25-2015, 11:30 PM)Flashhelix Wrote: I have to wonder what Aymeric taking control of Ishgard means for the city's infrastructure as a whole. Is the Holy See or the Church as we know it dissolved completely? If Aymeric presumably revealed the truth behind the Dragonsong War to the populace, would the inquisition still be a thing, and if so would they still be looking for heretics, since the only dragons left are Nidhogg's mindless horde, and the heretics lead by Iceheart proper presumably disbanded?
If you go to the scholasti... Scholac... That fucking library in the Cathedral in Ishgard after finishing the MSQ, the NPCs in there all mention that they're busy revising the church's doctrine in light of the 'recent revelations'.
RE: [Spoilers] heavensward lore discussion - Chris Ganale - 06-28-2015
Matoya outright stated that Y'shtola was going to kill herself using aether sight in order to see. There's no more clear way she could have said it without uttering the phrase "you are blind".
RE: [Spoilers] heavensward lore discussion - Cato - 06-28-2015
It's a surprising twist given how Y'shtola was presented as being the most cautious of all the Scions. It shows how high the stakes are - especially since the other missing Scions might be dead.
RE: [Spoilers] heavensward lore discussion - V'aleera - 06-28-2015
(06-28-2015, 08:16 PM)Chris Ganale Wrote: Matoya outright stated that Y'shtola was going to kill herself using aether sight in order to see. There's no more clear way she could have said it without uttering the phrase "you are blind".No, she said that using her ability to see aether was dangerous. That doesn't saying anything in regard to normal sight or lack thereof.
Like I said, I'm open to being wrong. But the fact that blindness is a major issue and that it was never directly addressed at any point has me dubious.
RE: [Spoilers] heavensward lore discussion - Chris Ganale - 06-28-2015
The color loss in Y'shtola's eyes and the fact that nobody has a reason to see via aether if they can see normally is heavy implication of blindness. If you have to have things spelled out entirely to you instead of using deductive reasoning, then that's your decision.
RE: [Spoilers] heavensward lore discussion - Asmodean - 06-28-2015
Matoya out right ask when did you light fade from her eyes... Most then saying light in fact mean sight so I'm siding with Matoya out right questioning Y'shtola sudden blindness.
I know it's not her out right calling her blind but given the fact Y'shtola eyes are a milky white and the old witch finding it strange,I think the safe bet is cat girl is in fact blind in the way we see things.
RE: [Spoilers] heavensward lore discussion - V'aleera - 06-28-2015
But there's no implication that she's seeing with aether instead of normally; in fact I'd argue that her dialogue toward Alphinaud after her awakening exhibits her using aether sight in addition to regular sight (which would lend a bit more weight toward Matoya getting pissed off about it).
The argument for her being blind certainly exists, but it is not the only deduction that can be made from the scenes provided.
RE: [Spoilers] heavensward lore discussion - Ashe - 06-28-2015
I had one of my character's eyes white and able to see aether due to an incident involving experimenting with aether that went wrong since before Y'shtola's thing was a thing. Â Kinda super happy that it was justified by this. Â
That being said, I think she is blind and forcing herself to see aether and that is what is killing her. She is most definitely blind though.
RE: [Spoilers] heavensward lore discussion - Zyrusticae - 06-28-2015
(06-28-2015, 09:06 PM)Asmodean Wrote: Matoya out right ask when did you light fade from her eyes...
I mean... That's it right there. Conversation should've ended with this. It's completely unambiguous. There's no room for quibbling whatsoever.
She's blind. Aethersight is her substitute. That's that.
RE: [Spoilers] heavensward lore discussion - V'aleera - 06-28-2015
(06-28-2015, 09:08 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote: There's no room for quibbling whatsoever.I'm sorry to disappoint you.
RE: [Spoilers] heavensward lore discussion - Asmodean - 06-28-2015
OK just... Let's just let that argument end, seeing as this discussion thread.
SO...... I'm I the only one questioning if Odin is really a primal based off of what Titamt said. I mean after all.... Odin seems more like something summoned by his sword (think the garuda sisters) making Zantetsuken more likely to being a primal. Also we have never seen any one praying for Odin.
It could mean the blade is real problem. Maybe as a stand in for the ultimate weapon that a hero might weld?