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RE: The IC/OOC boundary and how to approach it the SMILE way - Kamome - 02-09-2015
I think the IC/OOC boundary is the precise reason many people do shy away from ERP or find it distasteful. Ideally, everyone could separate IC sexuality from OOC arousal, and it could just be objective storytelling. Too often, though, ERP is something many RPers see leading to OOC complications and mixed feelings. When I think of how I have seen ERP influence and even destroy communities of RPers due to IC/OOC bleeds of attraction, I do feel sad and a little disgusted.
I actively do not allow this to influence my opinion of others nor do I criticize those who do participate, however, because I know this is based on my own experience and view of ERP as I have seen it over the years. Everyone's experience is different--but I think it's safe to say, universally, that because ERP is so intense in its sexual descriptions it does generally run a high risk of OOC/IC bleed.
Edit: text size being weird
RE: The IC/OOC boundary and how to approach it the SMILE way - Gegenji - 02-09-2015
(02-09-2015, 12:05 PM)Eleni Wrote: So, that said, no, I am not against ERP at all. Of course, provided that it is the general RP that leads to the ERP and not the other way around, i.e, ERP is the sole reason you RP, it's perfectly plausible to me.Â
My two gil.
Also as long as it isn't been done publicly, I'd assume? Private times should be done in private places in a private manner. No bending a girl over the railing of the Quicksand.
Which, in either case, means it's out of sight and out of mind. As such, I'd say you're free to continue with it however you please since it's not infringing on anyone else. Actively trolling, pressing, and shaming folks into doing ERP, though, is another matter entirely.
RE: The IC/OOC boundary and how to approach it the SMILE way - SicketySix - 02-09-2015
Though i've never engaged in ERP before, I wouldn't say I am against it.....IF.....it suits the roleplay, and...IF.....its with the understanding that this is all done IC.
That being said however, ERP always seemed like sticky situation to get yourself into without really knowing the basics of the person OOC. And i don't mean that you have to know them IRL. Just as long as you know them good enough to make an educated guess on how they will handle an ERP scenario, to see if they can distinguish the difference between IC and OOC realtionship.
RE: The IC/OOC boundary and how to approach it the SMILE way - Warren Castille - 02-09-2015
(02-09-2015, 01:17 PM)Amon Vespar Wrote: ERP always seemed like sticky situation
Annnnd we're done here. Good thread, folks. Thanks for coming out.
RE: The IC/OOC boundary and how to approach it the SMILE way - Ha'uruh Nunh - 02-09-2015
(02-09-2015, 12:05 PM)Eleni Wrote: Good for you, Berrod, because I am still trying to crack the code that is Warren and I am miserably failing at it!Â
On the subject of ERP, though. I don't see why it's considered such a taboo. Provided that the build up to it is natural and it is a result of consistent interaction and relationship, communication OOC is switched on, you know the person well OOCly, and all necessary boundaries are observed, i.e, same thing, I'm not my character, etc. etc., all the things pointed out by the posters in this thread, let your characters engage in sexual activity. This stuff happens all the time in movies and books, but no one labels the actors or writers as 'wrong' or 'eww'.Â
Our characters are individuals and like all individuals, they have needs. Like in real life. But sadly, unlike in real life, the character and the RPer are labeled 'eww...'.ÂÂ If your characters are truly as realistic and normal as possible, then they will experience feelings and interaction of sexual nature at some point in their lives.Â
So, that said, no, I am not against ERP at all. Of course, provided that it is the general RP that leads to the ERP and not the other way around, i.e, ERP is the sole reason you RP, it's perfectly plausible to me.Â
My two gil.
The key to understanding Warren:
Just think of a man, then take away reason, and accountability. /JackNicholson
RE: The IC/OOC boundary and how to approach it the SMILE way - SicketySix - 02-09-2015
(02-09-2015, 01:22 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:I was afraid somebody was going to miss that!(02-09-2015, 01:17 PM)A Wrote: ERP always seemed like sticky situation
Annnnd we're done here. Good thread, folks. Thanks for coming out.
RE: The IC/OOC boundary and how to approach it the SMILE way - Warren Castille - 02-09-2015
(02-09-2015, 01:23 PM)Hauruh Nunh Wrote: The key to understanding Warren:
Just think of a man, then take away reason, and accountability. /JackNicholson
Spoilers.
RE: The IC/OOC boundary and how to approach it the SMILE way - Berrod Armstrong - 02-09-2015
(02-09-2015, 01:22 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:WARREN YOU NEED TO BE STOPPED(02-09-2015, 01:17 PM)A Wrote: ERP always seemed like sticky situation
Annnnd we're done here. Good thread, folks. Thanks for coming out.
SOMEONE STOP HIM
RE: The IC/OOC boundary and how to approach it the SMILE way - Melkire - 02-09-2015
(02-09-2015, 09:42 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: ...you know what? Not editing that. COME AT ME, MODS.
Ew, no. There are better places for that stuff.
Let's see if we can get back on-topic. If not, and we're all done here, please feel free to let the thread die after having run its course (or I could lock it forcibly, mwuahahahaha).
Eleni Wrote: 1. This is a thread where RPers can suggest methods or tactics they apply to keep this boundary firm. It is a means to better help understand this IC OOC line, and prevent blurring and the multitude of problems that come with it. You could call it a guide of sorts.
2. It is not a thread where you can toss in all sorts of negativities or make the thread go aggressive, hostile etc. Refrain from posting anything on this thread other that is against the SMILE way. The SMILE way endorses postivity and happy and of course, smiles.
3. As much as I want this to be helpful and useful to everyone and do not want the thread to turn into a battlefield and therefore get closed, I will not hesistate to ask the mods to shut it down if things get heated.
RE: The IC/OOC boundary and how to approach it the SMILE way - Flashhelix - 02-09-2015
(02-09-2015, 08:36 AM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote:(02-09-2015, 08:11 AM)Mamushi Wrote:Juuuuuuust as an aside, that statement is a bit uh. Well, offensive. Escorts/sex workers in general are legitimate in areas where they are legal. The career is no less legitimate than any other, as it's up to the worker to decide what they do with their bodies. This is speaking as someone who has willingly worked in the sex industry.(02-09-2015, 06:37 AM)Eleni Wrote: But, erm, I'm not sure I understood what you mean by the spoliers in your last sentence.ÂIts just a pet peeve of mine. Players that use the term 'mature' but seek rp of a sexual nature almost exclusively are trashy in my opinion. Its like a prostitute calling themselves an escort to make what they do seem legitimate.
(I was supposed to go to bed hours ago, I apologize if this response is unclear.)
That's all well and good, but we're talking pretend prostitutes played by creepy guys on the internet, not real sex workers.
RE: The IC/OOC boundary and how to approach it the SMILE way - Warren Castille - 02-09-2015
(02-09-2015, 02:43 PM)Flashhelix Wrote: That's all well and good, but we're talking pretend prostitutes played by creepy guys on the internet, not real sex workers.
The OOC/IC distinction was vague, if that was the case.
RE: The IC/OOC boundary and how to approach it the SMILE way - g0ne - 02-09-2015
Okies, guys, back on track please. Remember, SMILE and helpfulness.Â
It's been a pretty positive thread so far, please lets keep it that way.Â
:3
RE: The IC/OOC boundary and how to approach it the SMILE way - Parvacake - 02-09-2015
Listen to Eleni, she made the thread after all
When it comes to the IC/OOC boundary (and this goes for everyone, but especially FC leaders) and approaching it, it always helps to have proof of what you feel to be that boundary being broken. So screenshots, copy and pasting logs, etc, or at least multiple people accounts if the blending between the two was something public.
It always helps folks to know if they have something concrete you're going off of, and something that can be discussed.
RE: The IC/OOC boundary and how to approach it the SMILE way - SicketySix - 02-09-2015
Just to help pull this back into topic, I haven't read all the replies yet, but this boundary line referring to relationships or other things?
RE: The IC/OOC boundary and how to approach it the SMILE way - Kurt S. - 02-09-2015
And here I am with alts to necessitate a clear boundary between IC and OOC. I dunno if it works for everyone but when you know character A isn't supposed to know what character B knows, you already try to keep some sort of detachment whenever you interact with others.
Less of you being in your characters shoes and more of it feeling like you're watching a TV show or something that involves em. After all, you aren't your character, they are their own people probably with just snippets of you in them. And like any good TV show, even if you aren't them, you could still feel for them or something.Â
And yes when I say they are there own characters I minimize the impact of my viewpoints, orientation and all that. If Ramona so much as gets a boyfriend (COME AT HER BRAH!), I will simply internalize the mantra of "I'mco-authoringaromancenovel"and let the relationship blossom or wither accordingly. That in itself already puts some distance between OOC and IC, helps keep the bleed away when they're(your characters) doing something that might be interesting but wouldn't exactly be right up your alley personally.