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RE: Let's talk about 'dem Heavensward jobs - Kellach Woods - 06-27-2015
(06-27-2015, 08:31 AM)Sounsyy Wrote: Equilibrium is your clutch heal while tanking. At 825 STR so far, it heals normal around 4.1-4.3k HP. With Berserk up I get between 6.1-6.3k. Also note that this heal can crit. So off-Berserk I can crit around 5k+ and around 7k+ with Berserk. Can repeat every 60s. So very OP and very useful. Along with Vengeance, Inner Beast, Thrill of Battle, Convalescence, and Raw Intuition - I have not been wanting for buffs or self heals.
That said... we haven't seen Alexander yet. But I have a feeling WARs won't be MTing that. That'll be relegated to Buffy McPaladins. So we'll be able to stance dance between full out DPS and Tank mode as needed in those fights. But from my experience in the new Lv60 dungeons, WAR is now all about the Self-Heal Tanking. You are absolutely right in that we just do not have the mitigation prowess of other tank classes. Our way to compete, especially with the new Raw Intuition and Equilibrium abilities is just to make ourselves as ridiculously easy to heal as possible.
Yeah, right now I'm just picking up rando gear upgrades, usually focusing on STR right-side. (Also, raw intuition is based off of Parry, so by ignoring that part on right-side we're not really helping that skill out but with Second Wind and Equilibrium it might be a fair trade)
Although I'm thinking out loud here - would the efficiency of STR stacking be mitigated by a full VIT build's just bonkers HP stat? Or does VIT not scale that well in the grand scheme of things?
RE: Let's talk about 'dem Heavensward jobs - Sounsyy - 06-27-2015
(06-27-2015, 08:42 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: (Also, raw intuition is based off of Parry, so by ignoring that part on right-side we're not really helping that skill out but with Second Wind and Equilibrium it might be a fair trade)
The Parry portion of the skill is the less useful of Raw Intuition's uses. Sure, you can mitigate 20% of all incoming frontal attacks for 20s - which, don't get me wrong, works wonders against trash adds! But in my experience, once you start hitting end game, Parry isn't worth its salt. Most attacks can't, or won't get parried.
The amazing part of Raw Intuition is that it makes all incoming damage and heals 100% crit chance if cast from the flank or rear. Awareness nullifies the damage crits, leaving yourself open to receiving 100% crit heals from your healer. This can produce some amazing clutch heals. 5k Adlo crits, 7k Cure IIs, etc. As many crit heals as your healer can put out in 20s. Just gotta do some creative positioning for those situations where a healer can't get to your side or rear. If the boss/trash do a lot of frontal cones, angle yourself so your healer is at your 4 or 8 o'clock and they'll still get the bonus.
As beautiful as the numbers can be, it's a waste to couple this ability with Convalescence. They're already hitting you 100% crits, which means they can heal you from 1 HP to full in like two cures without extra healing potency, so save that Convalescence to use at another time when you're struggling for heals.
As for STR vs VIT, VIT will probably be just as viable in the long run as it was in 2.0. Viable, but not optimal. At lv50 i130 the difference in full VIT vs full STR came out to be 1957 HP. I'll do testing later with VIT gear to see just how great the difference is, but I don't foresee the HP differential being more than 3k between STR and VIT. So, again, the difference will come down to - will content require that additional 3k HP so you don't get one-shot in Alexander? Or (considering the abilities WAR just got) will a focus be put upon WARs needing massive self heals - in which case STR will be far superior. And just like the Parry stat, if you aren't MTing, that VIT is doing you no good. So STR still wins out in my mind for being able to have higher hitting self heals and more damage when in Defiance and Deliverance. VIT just offering a meager HP increase that may or may not prevent a WAR from being one-shot in Alexander.
RE: Let's talk about 'dem Heavensward jobs - ArmachiA - 06-27-2015
(06-26-2015, 10:10 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote: The tank classes' damage output is fine. Top-tier DPS can dish out something in the neighborhood of 1200+, where the tanks can't even break 900.
The fact that MCH and BRD can only hit about as hard as tanks only says they need a buff, not that tanks need a nerf.
Agreed. It says more about the state of MCH/BRD (My two main jobs *cries*) then it does tanks. Tanks having a viable DPS offspec is sort of a boon, considering how some raids didn't even require an offtank and we'd have our WAR also gear DRG just in case.
RE: Let's talk about 'dem Heavensward jobs - Kellach Woods - 06-27-2015
(06-27-2015, 09:24 AM)Sounsyy Wrote: The amazing part of Raw Intuition is that it makes all incoming damage and heals 100% crit chance if cast from the flank or rear. Awareness nullifies the damage crits, leaving yourself open to receiving 100% crit heals from your healer. This can produce some amazing clutch heals. 5k Adlo crits, 7k Cure IIs, etc. As many crit heals as your healer can put out in 20s. Just gotta do some creative positioning for those situations where a healer can't get to your side or rear. If the boss/trash do a lot of frontal cones, angle yourself so your healer is at your 4 or 8 o'clock and they'll still get the bonus.They really need to update their tooltips 'cause a lot of them are outright misleading. Raw Intuition specifies "attacks".
RE: Let's talk about 'dem Heavensward jobs - Sounsyy - 06-27-2015
(06-27-2015, 11:26 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote:(06-27-2015, 09:24 AM)Sounsyy Wrote: The amazing part of Raw Intuition is that it makes all incoming damage and heals 100% crit chance if cast from the flank or rear. Awareness nullifies the damage crits, leaving yourself open to receiving 100% crit heals from your healer. This can produce some amazing clutch heals. 5k Adlo crits, 7k Cure IIs, etc. As many crit heals as your healer can put out in 20s. Just gotta do some creative positioning for those situations where a healer can't get to your side or rear. If the boss/trash do a lot of frontal cones, angle yourself so your healer is at your 4 or 8 o'clock and they'll still get the bonus.They really need to update their tooltips 'cause a lot of them are outright misleading. Raw Intuition specifies "attacks".
Yeah, there seem to be a lot of "Hidden Effects" on the new abilities. Like Equilibrium and Clemency being positively affected by Attack Power, even though it says no such thing in the tool tips, but it is most definitely a thing. Which strikes me as weird cuz Second Wind comes right out and says its affected by attack power. So either someone forgot, or it's intentionally hidden. But yeah, Raw Intuition also affects incoming heals, not just damage. ^^ That skill just got a whole lot cooler, right?
RE: Let's talk about 'dem Heavensward jobs - Kellach Woods - 06-27-2015
Honestly it does make sense, but it makes me fear that if they feel warrior deserves a nerf, that's the first thing that'll go away, and interactions like that are fun as hell.
RE: Let's talk about 'dem Heavensward jobs - Zyrusticae - 06-30-2015
Quote:An issue wherein the warrior action "Raw Intuition" would cause the user to receive critical heals as well.
Awww. Oh, well!
Quote:An issue wherein the black mage action "Ley Lines" and machinist action "Rapid Fire" would affect the cast times for actions such as “Teleport†and “Returnâ€.WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!?
WHAT. HAVE. YOU. DONE!?!!?!?!?
![[Image: fewxtkD.png]](http://i.imgur.com/fewxtkD.png)
(If you didn't know, Rapid Fire used to work on Gauss Barrel, making the cast time instantaneous. It has been confirmed this no longer works, making what is already the worst DPS job in the game into something nobody should ever play for the sake of others.
Thanks a lot, Yoshi-P. Thanks a whole lot!)
RE: Let's talk about 'dem Heavensward jobs - McBeefâ„¢ - 06-30-2015
(06-27-2015, 11:56 AM)Sounsyy Wrote:(06-27-2015, 11:26 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote:(06-27-2015, 09:24 AM)Sounsyy Wrote: The amazing part of Raw Intuition is that it makes all incoming damage and heals 100% crit chance if cast from the flank or rear. Awareness nullifies the damage crits, leaving yourself open to receiving 100% crit heals from your healer. This can produce some amazing clutch heals. 5k Adlo crits, 7k Cure IIs, etc. As many crit heals as your healer can put out in 20s. Just gotta do some creative positioning for those situations where a healer can't get to your side or rear. If the boss/trash do a lot of frontal cones, angle yourself so your healer is at your 4 or 8 o'clock and they'll still get the bonus.They really need to update their tooltips 'cause a lot of them are outright misleading. Raw Intuition specifies "attacks".
Yeah, there seem to be a lot of "Hidden Effects" on the new abilities. Like Equilibrium and Clemency being positively affected by Attack Power, even though it says no such thing in the tool tips, but it is most definitely a thing. Which strikes me as weird cuz Second Wind comes right out and says its affected by attack power. So either someone forgot, or it's intentionally hidden. But yeah, Raw Intuition also affects incoming heals, not just damage. ^^ That skill just got a whole lot cooler, right?
Someone forgot, and it's been patched out.
"An issue wherein the warrior action "Raw Intuition" would cause the user to receive critical heals as well."
RE: Let's talk about 'dem Heavensward jobs - Kellach Woods - 06-30-2015
Yeah, I was seeing numbers I shouldn't be seeing so often when that popped up.
Kinda wish they'd take a look at Parry in general, as well.
Only now getting into MCH and yeah it looks like a mess of numbers. Reload mechanic seems iffy at 30.
RE: Let's talk about 'dem Heavensward jobs - Sounsyy - 06-30-2015
(06-30-2015, 03:02 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote: "An issue wherein the warrior action "Raw Intuition" would cause the user to receive critical heals as well."
Welp... Raw Intuition is now an absolutely worthless buff. Oh well, was fun while it lasted.
RE: Let's talk about 'dem Heavensward jobs - Kellach Woods - 06-30-2015
Guaranteed parries would be, y'know, good if Parry wasn't broken right now (STR doesn't affect the mitigation).