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RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Aldotsk - 06-24-2013

@Crow:
Thank you for writing in a professional way that I was not able to, because there were main reasons I wanted to point out but I couldn't word it properly Smile

Also I have 5-6 who are interested in playing the game and would like to roleplay and they are also another reason who told me to ask such questions instead for them. But I also support their opinions in some manners. We want to start freshly new, and they don't mind going to Balmung but they are mostly hoping that it'd be non-legacy RP server. So me and my friends will see what happens by July 1st.

RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Kylin - 06-24-2013

Firstly, this thread is starting to get slightly off topic. As a news post, it's not really meant for discussions like this. In addition, we've already had similar debates in another thread that got heated and locked. We're literally chasing tails with these fears and arguments, as there are zero true solutions for said problems aside from waiting to see what happens.

Second, the July 1st was selected in order to give a proper balance of giving SE time to name a server while still getting a secondary one named ASAP. For those who haven't noticed, a tug of war is already starting to develop in the RP community. People are trying to tug RPers to certain other servers. People are also already establishing themselves on said servers and many have no intention of migrating at this stage. Thus, the sooner a secondary server is selected, the better. Should SE name an official RP server after the fact (seeming increasingly unlikely as of late since the deadline for server migration is already set in stone for mid July...), the decision can easily be reversed. But right now, people are making connections and getting overly antsy. It would not behoove the community to postpone things much longer in that regard.

RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Gideon Aryeh - 06-24-2013

(06-24-2013, 10:22 PM)Kylin Wrote: Firstly, this thread is starting to get slightly off topic. As a news post, it's not really meant for discussions like this. In addition, we've already had similar debates in another thread that got heated and locked. We're literally chasing tails with these fears and arguments, as there are zero true solutions for said problems aside from waiting to see what happens.

Second, the July 1st was selected in order to give a proper balance of giving SE time to name a server while still getting a secondary one named ASAP. For those who haven't noticed, a tug of war is already starting to develop in the RP community. People are trying to tug RPers to certain other servers. People are also already establishing themselves on said servers and many have no intention of migrating at this stage. Thus, the sooner a secondary server is selected, the better. Should SE name an official RP server after the fact (seeming increasingly unlikely as of late since the deadline for server migration is already set in stone for mid July...), the decision can easily be reversed. But right now, people are making connections and getting overly antsy. It would not behoove the community to postpone things much longer in that regard.
So then what now? Are we going to start the polling?
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RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Ellie - 06-24-2013

(06-24-2013, 10:51 PM)Rock Sandbourne Wrote: So then what now? Are we going to start the polling?
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I believe he just said that he's still looking to start the polling on the first of July. So not yet, no.

RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Gideon Aryeh - 06-25-2013

(06-24-2013, 11:41 PM)Ellie Wrote:
(06-24-2013, 10:51 PM)Rock Sandbourne Wrote: So then what now? Are we going to start the polling?
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I believe he just said that he's still looking to start the polling on the first of July. So not yet, no.
"People are also already establishing themselves on said servers and many have no intention of migrating at this stage. Thus, the sooner a secondary server is selected, the better. Should SE name an official RP server after the fact (seeming increasingly unlikely as of late since the deadline for server migration is already set in stone for mid July...), the decision can easily be reversed. But right now, people are making connections and getting overly antsy"


". It would not behoove the community to postpone things much longer in that regard."


I asked because of these statements being made...


*sighs*

I guess I shall be voting on the new server as well when it appears.  All I can ask for those going to the new server is lets try to really make it a nice place eh? Once we vote I'll put together a very nice server wide event and would love to have any ideas and/or assistance once the new server is named, and I will even resurrect a fan favorite from WoW and TOR  just for the new server. I think everyone will like him, he's a pretty fun character.

*Awaits July first*

RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Viper - 06-25-2013

Okay, I'm brand new to this community and am already a bit lost as to how to integrate so to speak when the right time comes.

The question of which server is going to house the RPrs is a question I had (in another thread)  It got no answers and now I think I know why.

I did play 1.0 for about 30 days, I maybe hit lvl 12 on a pug, but the game was attrocious and I just couldn't bring myself to play it.  At that time I did not RP in MMOs.

I did not realize that there was an unoffical RP server already either.

I have two other friends that are going to be playing, now neither of them RP so I'm not likely going to be joining them, however I won't lie about my hesitation to join a legacy server over a new one, for a small handful of reasons.

1: Equal footing, I know the game technically already had a launch with 1.0, that aside, when I join a "new" game I like the feeling that everyone around me is right where I'm at, and that as a server, we have to push forward, progress and learn about each other and the game.

2: 3rd wheel syndrome.  As has been stated, the 1.0 community is a tight knit group of pre-estabished RPrs.  They have deep backstories and have not only earned their levels but gone thru who knows how much RP to bring their characters to where they are now....and then there's me, the lvl 1 dude, the new kid in school who knows nobody at all.  Yes, a lot of people have said, well there's level sync we can always go backwards and help out, which is true..but that makes me feel like a 3rd wheel.  Here's a bunch of people who COULD be doing something else, now taking time to gain nothing but assist me.  I'm sure that's rewarding the first few times but after a while I can only imagine I'd be thought of as a hassle, and even if that's not the case, the thought would be lingering at the back of my mind.
       In this case, as a person trying to re-establish my RP roots, I imagine that I'd likely just withdraw with that thought constantly bombarding me wether it be true or not, which would not be condusive to me being able to actually RP.

3: The economy, This has nothing to do with RP so I won't go into detail other than to say, I want to be able to be amongst the first of those who hit a decent level in various crafts to help establish an economy.  I don't want to be the guy at the bottom trying to establish himself in an already established one.  This again to me, feels like its going against the whole new game launch feeling.

Now it would be absolutely..frankly heartless to ask anyone from 1.0 to toss away their achievements to start again.  That's clearly not a good solution.  For those who are from the 1.0 community, do try to understand the perspective of not only the new players, but new role players.  Many say that we can benefit from the experience of the established, and to a point I agree.  However I also believe that the same experience can be a detriment and a road block to newly formed RP'rs or gamers.  There is going to be awkwardness, there are going to be people who shy away and stop RPing either altogether or for a period of time while they acclimate.

Having the 1.0 RP server and then another RP server seems like a solution, of course, I've been around gaming for more years than I can count and that situation is akin to a guild splitting their top lvl members from their lower and mid leveled members into a sister guild and then saying that sister guild will still get the same support.  At first it may happen, but ultimately it is the high tier, or the origin guild where the action is at and the sister one tends to end up feeling like an abandoned puppy.

For me the first peg of forming an answer as to where I'm going to go will depend greatly on knowing where the RP community as a majority is going to be.  If that turns out to be on a legacy server then I need only ask myself is my drive to want to start RPing again equal to or greater than my aprehension about joining a pre-established server?

The other big factor is if SQUEENIX does end up branding an "official" rp server, than I suspect that's likely where I would go given that..well it is the official one.

RE: The RPC and the RP Server - blackdrakon - 06-25-2013

This has turned into something akin to a Senate debate. Legacy server supporters on the left, majority supported non-legacy server supporters on the right, independents and small pockets of other random server selections down the middle. Maybe we should be calling this website the HRC-SPAN channel.

RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Rhostel - 06-25-2013

Viper, you may find you don't get much of a response. That's just because everything you've mentioned has been hashed out to death already, not any slight on your person. I don't think anyone would blame you for not reading through everything that's been said, though.

Basically, don't worry. The only real problems here are those caused by pessimism. Patience and acceptance will be rewarded.

RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Asyria - 06-25-2013

I've said it back before 1.0 was in beta and I'll say it again... votes suck. They always create drama, it's inevitable.
So either, don't have a vote or just.. you know.. don't make drama! ^^

And Viper.. I understand where you're coming from, but try seeing this game as an old game, rather than a new one. Because it's not new, it's just changed. So it's the same as joining a game that's existed for a while.

Even if it was brand new, there will always be those people who will rush to max level in a week before they start RPing or those that have RPed for months before launch in chat or on forums.

I'm not saying your concerns aren't valid, on the contrary I'm saying they would be valid even on a brand new game. I've played a dozen mmo's in beta and launch by now and every single time I was lagging behind after a week. And I've been unable to work or do much physical stuff for the past 4 years so mmo's have been my primary source of entertainment. ^^;

RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Savarah - 06-25-2013

Since this debate is so popular, I might as well throw in my two cents (which may or may not have already been said).

My background, to put it simply, is that of an FF fanatic who unfortunately never got to play 1.0 and has only a small degree of RP experience.

With that being said, I could really go either way with the server argument. On one side, I see the merit of joining a non-Legacy server in order to experience and grow with -about- the same rate as other players (excluding the power levelers and whatnot).

On the other hand (which is the way I am personally leaning), I would love to join everyone on Balmung simply because my knowledge of the lore, 1.0 especially, is very limited. The whole timeskipper bit along with the details on the Echo...I simply don't know that much about it. So finding some kind soul who can kinda hold my hand lore-wise would be nice.

Servers: Legacy vs Non-legacy - Azthran - 06-27-2013

The discussion had gotten pretty popular on another thread but I think that thread wasn't meant for such a discussion to get that big. If I'm wrong then feel free to simply ignore/lock/and or remove this topic should any mod see fit to do so~

Now then we all have our opinions on this matter and many of us have shared those opinions already but lets just take a step back and look at these two server types objectively for a moment and see what's really different about them.

First off we have the name and I'm willing to admit that tagging a server as "Legacy" does sort of make it sound special and for the cool kids. All that tag is really saying though is "Hey! You have a character from 1.0? Cool, you can keep playing that character here."

Next we have the economy. This has been a concern of many people it seems as a few have mentioned that they would rather help shape the economy of a server rather than hop into one that's already established. Now the point I want to make here is that both server types will need to build up their economy. Yes legacy characters will start off with more gil and some items but I think this may just be a kick start to the economy to get it off the ground a tad quicker. Prices are bound to start out high and then hopefully smooth out regardless of what server you're on. I could see low level crafting materials being a bit of an issue on legacy servers but with the changed so gathering and crafting classes I'm hoping that will just sort itself out.

Community. This seems to be where a lot of people have issues so lets just stay calm, take a deep breath, and step back for a moment. RPC is not the only pre-established community out there, just like any other MMO launch people are using the betas and the hype to build up LS/FCs before the game is out. So with that being said cliques and in crowds will have already been formed on just about every server, this also leads in to those who will rush to level cap and dive into endgame. I'm willing to bet that after the first month there won't be much difference between the two servers other than the ability to have continued with your 1.0 character on those with a Legacy tab.

These are just some of the things I've been thinking about the last couple of days while out of town. Feel free to leave your thoughts and comments or to simply move along to another topic. Cheers!

RE: The RPC and the RP Server - jwhyrock - 06-29-2013

I'm a new user on the site, new to FFXIV not counting beta of course and old school roleplayer. Although I'm sure the legacy folks will be warm and welcoming I agree with the sentiment  that for those of us who are new, a server that was roleplay friendly non-legacy makes more sense.

You might not understand it, but think of it like watching a movie with someone who has already seen the movie but it's your first time seeing it. Even if they're not being annoying you can't escape the knowledge that they already know what's going to happen so its a little less enjoyable. 

We want to level with other people who are having that first time sense of wonder, learning curve and less exclusivity even if unintentional. 

Non-legacy needs a roleplay server.

**Also not sure if someone already referenced this discussion from the FFXIV forums which is related: http://forum.square-enix.com/ARR-Test/threads/47135-Alternative-RP-server-Behemoth%21

RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Ellie - 06-29-2013

(06-29-2013, 02:56 PM)jwhyrock Wrote: I'm a new user on the site, new to FFXIV not counting beta of course and old school roleplayer. Although I'm sure the legacy folks will be warm and welcoming I agree with the sentiment  that for those of us who are new, a server that was roleplay friendly non-legacy makes more sense.

You might not understand it, but think of it like watching a movie with someone who has already seen the movie but it's your first time seeing it. Even if they're not being annoying you can't escape the knowledge that they already know what's going to happen so its a little less enjoyable. 

We want to level with other people who are having that first time sense of wonder, learning curve and less exclusivity even if unintentional. 

Non-legacy needs a roleplay server.

Actually, I don't know if the movie analogy is very accurate. Most of the game's content, especially the story, is as new to us as it is to anyone else. It'd be more like seeing the sequel to a movie that you've only read the synopsis of, but your friend has watched the whole movie. The movie itself is new to you both, but the person who saw the first movie knows the characters and the themes of the story better.

I won't fault you if that's something that you'd rather not have to deal with, but I feel for those who are like you, but will be joining the game in the future. They won't have a server that's brand new for them to start on. If going to a server where people have already been playing is so bad that there are people who can't tough it out for a few months until they're experienced too, this means they're not likely going to want to join us on FFXIV at all. It's kind of sad to think about.

RE: The RPC and the RP Server - jwhyrock - 06-29-2013

(06-29-2013, 03:09 PM)Ellie Wrote:
(06-29-2013, 02:56 PM)jwhyrock Wrote: I'm a new user on the site, new to FFXIV not counting beta of course and old school roleplayer. Although I'm sure the legacy folks will be warm and welcoming I agree with the sentiment  that for those of us who are new, a server that was roleplay friendly non-legacy makes more sense.

You might not understand it, but think of it like watching a movie with someone who has already seen the movie but it's your first time seeing it. Even if they're not being annoying you can't escape the knowledge that they already know what's going to happen so its a little less enjoyable. 

We want to level with other people who are having that first time sense of wonder, learning curve and less exclusivity even if unintentional. 

Non-legacy needs a roleplay server.

Actually, I don't know if the movie analogy is very accurate. Most of the game's content, especially the story, is as new to us as it is to anyone else. It'd be more like seeing the sequel to a movie that you've only read the synopsis of, but your friend has watched the whole movie. The movie itself is new to you both, but the person who saw the first movie knows the characters and the themes of the story better.

I won't fault you if that's something that you'd rather not have to deal with, but I feel for those who are like you, but will be joining the game in the future. They won't have a server that's brand new for them to start on. If going to a server where people have already been playing is so bad that there are people who can't tough it out for a few months until they're experienced too, this means they're not likely going to want to join us on FFXIV at all. It's kind of sad to think about.


I knew that would be the predictable response the second after I posted. A better reason is that there is a group of people who already know each other and a group of people yet to form these relationships. We want to form our own groups organically. We don't want match.com meet ups we want drunk hook ups with like minded strangers at name your watering hole.

RE: The RPC and the RP Server - Khaze'to Zhwan - 06-29-2013

(06-29-2013, 03:09 PM)Ellie Wrote:
(06-29-2013, 02:56 PM)jwhyrock Wrote: I'm a new user on the site, new to FFXIV not counting beta of course and old school roleplayer. Although I'm sure the legacy folks will be warm and welcoming I agree with the sentiment  that for those of us who are new, a server that was roleplay friendly non-legacy makes more sense.

You might not understand it, but think of it like watching a movie with someone who has already seen the movie but it's your first time seeing it. Even if they're not being annoying you can't escape the knowledge that they already know what's going to happen so its a little less enjoyable. 

We want to level with other people who are having that first time sense of wonder, learning curve and less exclusivity even if unintentional. 

Non-legacy needs a roleplay server.

Actually, I don't know if the movie analogy is very accurate. Most of the game's content, especially the story, is as new to us as it is to anyone else. It'd be more like seeing the sequel to a movie that you've only read the synopsis of, but your friend has watched the whole movie. The movie itself is new to you both, but the person who saw the first movie knows the characters and the themes of the story better.

I won't fault you if that's something that you'd rather not have to deal with, but I feel for those who are like you, but will be joining the game in the future. They won't have a server that's brand new for them to start on. If going to a server where people have already been playing is so bad that there are people who can't tough it out for a few months until they're experienced too, this means they're not likely going to want to join us on FFXIV at all. It's kind of sad to think about.
Thats a very good point and I think its something that people are forgetting, these brand new servers will only happen very very rarely after launch and so people are going to be joining existing communities, and the experienced people might very well be those who were so against the idea of joining an existing community in the first place.