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Square Enix's attention to detail and proof to their precision - Seriphyn - 03-03-2015
I have always maintained that Square Enix are extremely precise in how they present their world to us, and the lore within it. This goes to the finest details as well, such as how they dress up their NPCs, down to their race and to their clothes. The proof in the pudding came to me today, when we witnessed this display for Littles Ladies' Day.
![[Image: e7dbneQ.jpg]](http://i.imgur.com/e7dbneQ.jpg)
I'm near enough 100% on this, but the reason they are wearing AF2 armour and not AF1 armour? Because if you smalltalk Rowena and select 'Vintage equipment', she'll explain that the AF2 armour she sells to adventurers are in-universe all replicas. The AF1 armour is only given to the Warrior of Light or worn by ranking Sultansworn officers in-universe (insofar as the proscribed lore goes, to put aside the roleplayer-friendly version). It would make sense these dolls would be put in replica gear and not the real thing. This is further supported by the fact that the three swords all use the 'Unfinished Curtana' model. If they put down actual Curtanas, that would imply Master had to go to the lengths that the Warrior of Light went to in getting their relic...which wouldn't make sense.
I thought it was neat that Square Enix goes to the same lengths that we players do in the area of overanalysis and dissection.
RE: Square Enix's attention to detail and proof to their precision - K'nahli - 03-03-2015
(I didn't figure that this related directly to RP moreso than it did FF in general, so I hope this forum is okay ^^)
As for your observations, while that would seem like they were not being too heedless with their previously declared lore, these AF2 "replicas" are only different in appearance. I don't see why a replica of the AF1 couldn't be made to be honest, haha. Though your point about the sword certainly stands to an extent.
Though again... I still doubt anyone wanting to honour the First Paladins' memory would use such cheap materials and, instead, would make the blade from some form of crystal? Anything fancy and nice to look at.
Albeit maybe I am overanalysing!
RE: Square Enix's attention to detail and proof to their precision - Unnamed Mercenary - 03-04-2015
You know, the AF1 is also just worn-out AF2. So they could be wearing AF2 because that's what it was intended to look like.
And it's even said in the Relic Reborn quest. Our relics are all replicas.
RE: Square Enix's attention to detail and proof to their precision - Sounsyy - 03-04-2015
HAHAHAHAHAHA I love it when my theories turn out right. Totally called Durandal and Joyeuse being the other two blades.
RE: Square Enix's attention to detail and proof to their precision - Kage - 03-04-2015
I like how the first three Paladins to start it are a Hyur, a Roe, and a LALAFELLLLL /runs
Edit:
Also... do we have those kneels? I want them D:
RE: Square Enix's attention to detail and proof to their precision - Caspar - 03-04-2015
(03-04-2015, 01:38 AM)Sounsyy Wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHA I love it when my theories turn out right. Totally called Durandal and Joyeuse being the other two blades.They're a package deal. I love my legendary weapons, so for them not to have the other blades be named Durandal and Joyeuse would make me extremely disappointed.
RE: Square Enix's attention to detail and proof to their precision - K'nahli - 03-04-2015
(03-04-2015, 12:01 AM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: You know, the AF1 is also just worn-out AF2. So they could be wearing AF2 because that's what it was intended to look like.
And it's even said in the Relic Reborn quest. Our relics are all replicas.
I think he just meant that our replica Curtanas were made to look like the real deal through a lot of hardship whereas these decorative ones didn't go past the basics assuming they used similar methods, for obvious reasons.
Also, is AF1 really a worn-out AF2? It seems odd that the Sultansworn would wear something that gave them a "dishevelled" appearance.
RE: Square Enix's attention to detail and proof to their precision - Kage - 03-04-2015
I don't know if they're worn out but they're definitely more of a color swap.
RE: Square Enix's attention to detail and proof to their precision - Unnamed Mercenary - 03-04-2015
(03-04-2015, 12:11 PM)K Wrote:(03-04-2015, 12:01 AM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: You know, the AF1 is also just worn-out AF2. So they could be wearing AF2 because that's what it was intended to look like.
And it's even said in the Relic Reborn quest. Our relics are all replicas.
I think he just meant that our replica Curtanas were made to look like the real deal through a lot of hardship whereas these decorative ones didn't go past the basics assuming they used similar methods, for obvious reasons.
Also, is AF1 really a worn-out AF2? It seems odd that the Sultansworn would wear something that gave them a "dishevelled" appearance.
At least from the WHM quests, yes. ...you basically get super-hand-me-downs.
SCH and SMN I believe, are made from old designs meant to resemble the originals.
MNK is literally hand-me-downs, as you get the shirt off what's-his-name's back.
WAR is hand-me-downs.
I have no finished DRG, BRD and NIN, and am unable to answer those.
This leaves PLD, which....could be debatable. It could just be that coloring has changed from Thorne to Ul dynasties, as shiny armor wouldn't stay that shiny/consistent if it were all hand-me-downs. It does still lend to the idea that AF1 is old/based off "originals", although -our- AF2 armors would be considered remakes of originals.
But now, if we consider that the AF2 tokens drop in dungeons, that could add another layer of complexity I'll just call a game mechanic.
RE: Square Enix's attention to detail and proof to their precision - Warren Castille - 03-04-2015
Regarding paladin AF:
It's quite literally a test. He's preparing to bring you in on a dangerous mission to capture a monetarist spy; You're being forcibly called up in the ranks. The men you beat for the coffers serve as guards. They're only there to make sure your swordplay is on par.
It's "legendary raiment" which leads me to believe that it's just... fancier. It's a tradition, so it's likely all officers of a certain caliber are put to the test. It's also likely each piece isn't old, just crafted to resemble the original.
RE: Square Enix's attention to detail and proof to their precision - Gegenji - 03-04-2015
(03-04-2015, 12:33 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: I have no finished DRG, BRD and NIN, and am unable to answer those.
If I recall correctly, DRG's gear is the stuff the guy training you used to wear. BRD discarded his after plot and you're recollecting it. And NIN is a set of gear that is supposed to be for you as a reward for completing your training.
RE: Square Enix's attention to detail and proof to their precision - Melkire - 03-04-2015
...why are we calling it AF2? That's myth gear.
AF2 isn't even out yet.
RE: Square Enix's attention to detail and proof to their precision - Unnamed Mercenary - 03-04-2015
(03-04-2015, 12:52 PM)Melkire Wrote: ...why are we calling it AF2? That's myth gear.
AF2 isn't even out yet.
Because AF2 is easier than AF+1. ...and for newer players it's "i90 token gear I get from some dungeons in Hard Mode Duty Roulette". Myth tomes are but a myth to the newbies. :p
RE: Square Enix's attention to detail and proof to their precision - Warren Castille - 03-04-2015
(03-04-2015, 12:52 PM)Melkire Wrote: ...why are we calling it AF2? That's myth gear.
AF2 isn't even out yet.
FFXI babies.
Source: I'm an FFXI baby
RE: Square Enix's attention to detail and proof to their precision - Melkire - 03-04-2015
On-topic, I'm assuming all three recreations are using the unfinished Curtana because it's easier for Rowena and Gerolt to reproduce than an actual relic, far easier than trying to recreate Joyeuse and Durandal from nothing, and more authentic than just using your everyday average sword.
(03-04-2015, 12:57 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: Because AF2 is easier than AF+1. ...and for newer players it's "i90 token gear I get from some dungeons in Hard Mode Duty Roulette". Myth tomes are but a myth to the newbies. :p
"Token gear", then. "Antique gear". Anything would be infinitely better than AF2, because this...
![[Image: MNKAllagan.JPG]](http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/final-fantasy-xiv/6/68/MNKAllagan.JPG)
...isn't this:
![[Image: 2561298-2827308299-monka.jpg]](http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/16/167817/2561298-2827308299-monka.jpg)
(03-04-2015, 01:00 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: FFXI babies.
Source: I'm an FFXI baby
You had your day.