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Some general (Ishgard mostly) questions - E'irawen - 03-11-2015
Well, to get straight to the point. I may or may not have finally overcome my denial and yes I really want to play an Au ra. However I didn't want to just make an alt, y'know? I don't want to make another character. I have two as it is and I juggle them okay, but a third would probably be impossible. So I'm changing up some not-so-established-in-RP things for one of them (which had a lot of holes anyway) and had some questions.
So that aside here are my questions (some of which were actually answered via tumblrs but I will still put them out there in the event you have additional information).
1.) Â The "likelihood" of Hyur as an Ishgardian? (I was informed that there are hyur that are born in Ishgard and that they are in good standing with the Elezen there, that some even hold positions of power and all are generally very well respected.) Â I ask about this in regards to Midlander Hyur Male.
2.) How likely is it for him to be of relatively higher social status there, mostly due to respect and such for his actions int he field? (I never really looked into making his pedigree so I'm not sure how nobility or anything works in Ishgard.)
3.) Somewhat related to #2: I know most of the stuff out here is Dragoon related. If he does have a high respect because of his actions in battle, is it better story-wise if he was a Dragoon, or can he remain a War/Pld? Â
4.) Because of Ishgards hatred for Dravanian/Dragons/whatever the proper term is here, it's highly likely that if this Hyur loved and married an Au Ri that Isghard would be like aw hell no and stuff, right? Â (I'm aware there isn't much lore for Au Ra yet so I am treading lightly on this and not really setting any of this stuff in stone until I can hopefully get more info).
5.) The idea was that this characters mother (Who I've never RPed in the picture much as it is) was hauled off after her relationship with this Hyur was known. The fact there was offspring wasn't known, so the Father fled to Limsa with the child. Â (Remarrying and such early on in the child's life, leaving her with the history I've already written out on her wiki). SO, with this knowledge, I wondered if Fantasia-ing is a legit RP thing in most circles (I have seen it RPed, but mostly in smaller friend circles. But, basically, this would be a thing in all circles I RP her in so...)
The idea with that was that she was Fantasia'd as a baby for her own safety. To be honest I have no explanation as to why she'd be fantasia'd into a Miqo'te and not a Hyur (her original history/story is that she is half hyur, half sunseeker) beyond "oops that didn't go totally as planned".
I uh... I think I'm rambling slightly. I hope this is good for questions, please point out if anything is amiss.
As I said, I'm not totally setting the Au Ri related stuff in stone till I have a little more info, but I've been told I'm at least on the right track (though I can't imagine interbreeding with an Au ri is really 'lore shattering').Â
I thought this might be a good idea too since I'm not familiar with a lot of things in the northern area of Eorzea or it's lore. So if this character ends up tracing her roots and somehow breaks the fantasia she's had thus far in life or whatever, that her learning experience can also double as my own.
RE: Some general (Ishgard mostly) questions - SessionZero - 03-11-2015
Quote:1.) Â The "likelihood" of Hyur as an Ishgardian? (I was informed that there are hyur that are born in Ishgard and that they are in good standing with the Elezen there, that some even hold positions of power and all are generally very well respected.) Â I ask about this in regards to Midlander Hyur Male.Hyuran Ishgardians exist, though I would imagine ones held in high esteem or "highborn" would be very rare as Ishgard was and is still a steadfastly Elezen city-state to this day.
Quote:2.) How likely is it for him to be of relatively higher social status there, mostly due to respect and such for his actions int he field? (I never really looked into making his pedigree so I'm not sure how nobility or anything works in Ishgard.)Heroic actions can lead to an elevated status in life (this is hinted at in the MSQ) but the fact remains that the High Houses and many of the highborn in the city seem to be almost exclusively Elezen. A Hyur is likely faced with an unbreakable glass ceiling in life as an Ishgardian.
Quote:3.) Somewhat related to #2: I know most of the stuff out here is Dragoon related. If he does have a high respect because of his actions in battle, is it better story-wise if he was a Dragoon, or can he remain a War/Pld?The title of "Dragoon" is awarded to soldiers who have a confirmed kill of a dragon, which is usually those who have trained in the lancer arts and are able to use Jump techniques. A WAR/PLD can technically be a "Dragoon" but it is in title only.
Quote:4.) Because of Ishgards hatred for Dravanian/Dragons/whatever the proper term is here, it's highly likely that if this Hyur loved and married an Au Ri that Isghard would be like aw hell no and stuff, right? Â (I'm aware there isn't much lore for Au Ra yet so I am treading lightly on this and not really setting any of this stuff in stone until I can hopefully get more info).Generally speaking, an Ishgardian laying with a non-Ishgardian of any race is considered taboo. I can't see why an Au Ra would be any worse or better, depending on exactly how draconic their heritage is.
Quote:5.) The idea was that this characters mother (Who I've never RPed in the picture much as it is) was hauled off after her relationship with this Hyur was known. The fact there was offspring wasn't known, so the Father fled to Limsa with the child. Â (Remarrying and such early on in the child's life, leaving her with the history I've already written out on her wiki). SO, with this knowledge, I wondered if Fantasia-ing is a legit RP thing in most circles (I have seen it RPed, but mostly in smaller friend circles. But, basically, this would be a thing in all circles I RP her in so...)This is a major point of contention for most people. Some don't mind IC Fantasia, some loathe the idea, and some (like me) are generally ambivalent provided the reasoning and handling of it is sound. It all boils down to whether or not the people you will be RPing with most of the time can stomach it.
Quote:The idea with that was that she was Fantasia'd as a baby for her own safety. To be honest I have no explanation as to why she'd be fantasia'd into a Miqo'te and not a Hyur (her original history/story is that she is half hyur, half sunseeker) beyond "oops that didn't go totally as planned".I... can't say I'd ever want to claim someone being Fantasia'd as a baby, because that seems terribly irresponsible and neglectful, but again, it's up to you and the people you RP with.
RE: Some general (Ishgard mostly) questions - E'irawen - 03-11-2015
Thank you.
I'm also willing/open to any suggestions you guys might have to make this story a little better. I'd be lying if I said I had the first clue about anything I'm doing. D:
The fantasia thing I'm still iffy on (though while her Father is a good soldier, I would not put something like this in terms of being irresponsible past him), truthfully, but I honestly can't think of/don't know of any other reasons she'd have been a Miqo'te all this time and suddenly an Au Ri. I don't really want to go a typical route of "Oops I drank a thing, oh well guess I'm stuck now" Â (Nothing wrong with that, but I admit I like a little flair and junk.)
RE: Some general (Ishgard mostly) questions - SessionZero - 03-11-2015
Most people that are wanting to play Au Ra IC have been going the route of being glamoured so as not to stand out too much in Eorzea. You could go that route, since I believe the Dravanians learned glamours from the Ishgardians, so her father glamoured her as a baby to spare her the social stigma.
RE: Some general (Ishgard mostly) questions - E'irawen - 03-11-2015
That was originally my first though, that maybe she'd been glamoured at a young age. But someone on tumblr was telling me that they were fairly impermanent and that keeping the glamour up repeatedly might be a difficult thing to do?
RE: Some general (Ishgard mostly) questions - SessionZero - 03-11-2015
It might be difficult to do so 24/7 but you could have him only glamour her when she goes outside as she's growing up or something.Â
Or you can just say she's glamoured permanently until she's not because fuck you, that's why. That's the beauty of RP
RE: Some general (Ishgard mostly) questions - E'irawen - 03-11-2015
Lmao, yes good. I've been tempted to go the "fuck you route" because the whole idea behind this was that she wouldn't have known she was an Au Ra. It'd be "safer" for her not to with all the stigma they seem to have. So her knowingly needing to glamour herself all this time would kind of kill that.
RE: Some general (Ishgard mostly) questions - allgivenover - 03-11-2015
You have some interesting ideas here but I would hold off on doing anything more than brainstorming until we get the lore as we might get something that makes the whole thing much easier to work out.
Edit: Much crazier shit gets pulled in RP, I think a lore bendy permanent glamour shouldnt be a big deal. Just RP it now and figure out the exact historical details when we get well... any AuRa lore.
Edit edit: I am changing Rakka'li to a new AuRa girl character so I totally sympathize with having a ton of ideas and sitting on them anxiously.
RE: Some general (Ishgard mostly) questions - Cato - 03-11-2015
'Fantasia' seems to be becoming an alarming common cop out in this community. You're free to do whatever you want, of course, especially since you seem to be aware that it isn't everybody's cup of tea.
I would suggest taking some time to reconsider your options though. Why not wait until we have some solid lore on the Au Ra and then build a character around that? Heck, taking your time and avoiding the initial rush in favour of a more distinct and lore friendly character may end up being much more beneficial than trying to justify various plot devices that some role-players will see as being very forced.
RE: Some general (Ishgard mostly) questions - allgivenover - 03-11-2015
And if he is glamoured and has no idea he is an AuRa at all that would make the problem of not addressing thier exact history easier to manage. Some will roll eyes at you but who cares?
RE: Some general (Ishgard mostly) questions - Cato - 03-11-2015
(03-11-2015, 01:11 PM)allgivenover Wrote: And if he is glamoured and has no idea he is an AuRa at all that would make the problem of not addressing thier exact history easier to manage. Some will roll eyes at you but who cares?
Are there any established cases of that actually happening in-game though? It feels like a difficult pill to swallow - that someone would have a convenient permanent illusion cast upon them to the point where they aren't aware that they're a completely different race to what they thought they were.
It's also - like I stated earlier - a cop out. We don't know a whole lot about the Au Ra yet and patience is a virtue. We don't have more than a few months to wait until we get a whole lot of information about them. I do wish more people restrained themselves and waited until closer to the time.
Still, each to their own! I just hope it's all balanced out by Au Ra who are actually Au Ra and weren't just conveniently race changed IC to be relevant to the current content. With so little racial lore in this game compared to the likes of WoW and ESO it just rubs me the wrong way that so many role-players choose to go down that route. It's a bit of a kick in the teeth to those of us who stick with one character without having them guzzle down Fantasia every five minutes.
RE: Some general (Ishgard mostly) questions - Warren Castille - 03-11-2015
This isn't the thread for it, but if it was so simple to glamour someone to not look like an Au Ra, why on earth is whatsherface hiding under a way-obvious purple ski mask?
RE: Some general (Ishgard mostly) questions - Cato - 03-11-2015
(03-11-2015, 01:20 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: This isn't the thread for it, but if it was so simple to glamour someone to not look like an Au Ra, why on earth is whatsherface hiding under a way-obvious purple ski mask?
Mm.
I'm perfectly fine with temporary illusions. It makes a lot of sense and we've seen them in action in-game. A permanent illusion, however, makes things much more likely to break someone's immersion. How did they keep up such a feat, especially without knowing about it?
What's the actual drawback of such a thing to prevent it being mass produced and embraced by military organisations or those with a lot of wealth and resources at their disposal?
They're the sort of questions that need to be asked, I feel. Again, nothing can be forced on someone else but it's a lot more likely that in-depth role-play will be found if someone's character is well thought out and consistent.
RE: Some general (Ishgard mostly) questions - allgivenover - 03-11-2015
(03-11-2015, 01:17 PM)Graeham Ridgefield Wrote:(03-11-2015, 01:11 PM)allgivenover Wrote: And if he is glamoured and has no idea he is an AuRa at all that would make the problem of not addressing thier exact history easier to manage. Some will roll eyes at you but who cares?
Are there any established cases of that actually happening in-game though? It feels like a difficult pill to swallow - that someone would have a convenient permanent illusion cast upon them to the point where they aren't aware that they're a completely different race to what they thought they were.
It's also - like I stated earlier - a cop out. We don't know a whole lot about the Au Ra yet and patience is a virtue. We don't have more than a few months to wait until we get a whole lot of information about them. I do wish more people restrained themselves and waited until closer to the time.
I agree with you on every count but compared to many other things I've put up with in RP here it's a much easier to swallow pill. Additionally I've always held the view that if interesting RP can be had by pushing things then you should by all means push. In this case an AuRa that is ignorant of thier culture and eager to learn, as long as effort is made to fit things as best as one can and the reasoning behind doing it is a good one - that is it's done for the RP it will provoke with others and not because you simply want your character to be "cooler" than everyone elses - then I am open to it.
RE: Some general (Ishgard mostly) questions - allgivenover - 03-11-2015
(03-11-2015, 01:20 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: This isn't the thread for it, but if it was so simple to glamour someone to not look like an Au Ra, why on earth is whatsherface hiding under a way-obvious purple ski mask?
Well Yugiri just obviously doesn't know about it.
I know it's a stretch. But like I said, there is way way worse things being RPd way less delicately.