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What scares you away from a FC/Guild? - SicketySix - 03-11-2015
What is that one thing that a FC or guild does, or requires of you that just makes you run the opposite direction?
For me personally, anytime I see or hear "sure we'd love to have you, just join our website and apply there" I immediately am peacing outta that joint.
To me it's just an annoyance. Between work, emails and other stuff, I'm probably pushing 20-30 different websites requiring passwords.Anyhow which, due to password guidelines are different from each other. I'm really not wanting to add to that list.
So what's yours?
RE: What scares you away from a FC/Guild? - Edgar - 03-11-2015
I often join an FC on the pretense that they can balance Roleplay or Endgame content, because they took the time to highlight that their FC is both RP focused and Endgame in the FC info, only to discover that they either
A.) Are not great at Roleplay (I don't want to say bad, but...)
B.) Are not great at Endgame.
C.) Do a lot of RP but rarely do any endgame content because the RP gets in the way.
D.) Do too much endgame content.
This sends me running to the hills.Â
Another thing that bothers me is when a select few FC members themselves are complete and utter assholes. And a lot of the time, they're assholes with a history that is well known by the RP community, but somehow tolerated by the rest of the FC. I'm not talking misdemeanor, either; consistent, brutish, dick-ish behavior that is designed to cause as much damage as possible, yet still tolerated or glossed over. I can handle this for a little while, until it becomes apparent that these people are not going to change or be forced to change any time soon, at which point I pack my things and bail.
But the number one thing that gets me?
Random FC requests from people who I don't know with little to no explanation. Expect to be disappointed.
RE: What scares you away from a FC/Guild? - kitakaze - 03-11-2015
"Vent/Teamspeak/etc. Â required."
No, thanks, if I can't type fast enough for you, Â you're not taking your time to enjoy the game.
RE: What scares you away from a FC/Guild? - Y'lani - 03-11-2015
For me, there are a few things. *note: these are my own personal opinions. Some people love what I don't - after all, I'm that odd sort who loves applications.
1) The only way to truly reach the rest of your guild members is through Mumble, Teamspeak, or Skype. This is the one I cannot stand. I like to communicate through the net because my voice often goes unheard; I am far from the loudest speaker there might be. If a Free Company primarily communicates through voice, then I know it isn't the one for me.
2) A high-ranking officer has more say than a normal guild member in casual conversation. I understand why this arises. Free Company officers have difficult jobs, and some topics are better left untouched to keep the guild environment beneficial. But sometimes a line is crossed, and when that line snaps from being crossed too many times, corruption in favor of cliques and favorites tramples the guild. Everybody should have an equal voice, no matter their position.
3) You may only join the Free Company if the guild leader ICly likes you. I've had this happen to me a few times. Y'lani (and many of my previous mains) clashes with a lot of people. If you need an employee to lick your shoes to join your organization, the walls you have built will topple and fall - especially if you hire mercenaries. A plurality of mercenaries are not pleasant people. The coin is what they want, not servitude.
I went a little over one, so I'll leave that at that. It'll be interesting to see what others dislike. This thread seems like it'd be helpful for folk only now beginning to create a guild.
RE: What scares you away from a FC/Guild? - Kage - 03-11-2015
Random FC requests.
I am also personally not a fan of FC advertisements through shouts.
I also hate website requirements. I will join websites to -promote- FC community. Off-game interactions/chats. But I will not join an FC that says "apply here!"
Requiring me to do X Y and Z. Requiring a voice chat. Requiring enjin/shivtr/etc joining requirement. Encouraging the use of it is not the same as requirements. Making me feel like I need to do something is the best way for me to feel like I wont tolerate it.
Any FC that will make me feel like my wishes, thoughts, opinions are not appreciated. If I feel like there will be a giant disconnect between us, I will leave.
When I recently joined/re-joined an FC... If not enough of my friends who I enjoy the game with are not there I will join the majority of my friends. That sense of belonging isn't the same, even if the other is just as welcoming and awesome.
Also, if someone ever told me that I had to join their FC to raid or that in order to continue to be in the FC that I had to raid with them? Nope. Nope. NOPE.
RE: What scares you away from a FC/Guild? - Maril - 03-11-2015
I haven't been in the position of looking for an FC for about four years, going to be keeping an eye on this thread because you never know, might learn something - Kudos for making it.
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On the note of applications, I completely understand where you're coming from, it's one of the many reasons why we have chosen to have our website hosted on Enjin's network, so people can just use one account for it. Application is still mandatory and a vital link in our recruitment process though, out of experience it got too much to rely on IC interviews only for several reasons I wont go further into, since this isn't what the topic is about :3
RE: What scares you away from a FC/Guild? - Ashren Dotharl - 03-11-2015
If it's an RP FC. I obviously enjoy RP (otherwise why would I be here?) but to me RP is meant for Linkshells, not Free Companies and (this is a bit of a blanket statement, I know it doesn't apply to everyone) I've found that RP FCs tend to be high on the drama, low on the progression so it just never works out for me. I like to raid, I like to progress when I raid, I feel RP FCs don't dedicate enough time to this kind of thing, or endgame in general, so I prefer to RP with walkups or in LSs. So in short, if it's an RP FC it's a no go for me.
RE: What scares you away from a FC/Guild? - Parvacake - 03-11-2015
(03-11-2015, 05:03 PM)Manasas Reed Wrote: For me personally, anytime I see or hear "sure we'd love to have you, just join our website and apply there" I immediately am peacing outta that joint.As an FC leader I can honestly say the use of a website is for organization purposes. Especially if it's a bigger FC. There's only so much we can cram in the message of the day and being on a site means we can put a calender up for people to check for future events. Sadly you'll be a bit out of luck for a lot of places to join since this is a rather common requirement.
Also with Sastra on keeping an eye on this since it's something I might use
When it comes to joining a group...Hmmm. Not many things will make me shy away. A big thing might be favoritism towards a member or certain members, especially if its someone who is messing up and not answering for it.
RE: What scares you away from a FC/Guild? - Hyakki - 03-11-2015
(03-11-2015, 05:24 PM)kitakaze Wrote: "Vent/Teamspeak/etc. Â required."
No, thanks, if I can't type fast enough for you, Â you're not taking your time to enjoy the game.
I prefer voice chat for raids as its faster and easier to hit a hotkey to call out mechanics as well as dodge them. If you're wasting time typing, you risk being hit and dragging the rest of the party down with you. Don't be that guy. If its that much of an issue start your own voice-free static instead of complaining and expecting the group to cater to you.
Voice chat as a replacement for FC/LS chat is weird though, I'll give you that.
(03-11-2015, 05:37 PM)Kage Wrote: Any FC that will make me feel like my wishes, thoughts, opinions are not appreciated. If I feel like there will be a giant disconnect between us, I will leave.I don't expect what I have to say to be appreciated, but I do want to be heard and acknowledged I also don't want to be treated as a disposable grunt.
RE: What scares you away from a FC/Guild? - Magellan - 03-11-2015
FCs/Guilds that don't allow alts. Like seriously...?
FCs that require your alts to be part of the story to be in the FC: not every character is gonna fit the theme, sorry, but i'd still like to hang out oocly with the friends and in game family I've made.
And FCs that don't run intro rp and just expect you to 'jump in'? Ewwwwww.
RE: What scares you away from a FC/Guild? - SicketySix - 03-11-2015
(03-11-2015, 06:14 PM)Lilithium Wrote:(03-11-2015, 05:03 PM)Manasas Reed Wrote: For me personally, anytime I see or hear "sure we'd love to have you, just join our website and apply there" I immediately am peacing outta that joint.As an FC leader I can honestly say the use of a website is for organization purposes. Especially if it's a bigger FC. There's only so much we can cram in the message of the day and being on a site means we can put a calender up for people to check for future events. Sadly you'll be a bit out of luck for a lot of places to join since this is a rather common requirement.
Also with Sastra on keeping an eye on this since it's something I might use
When it comes to joining a group...Hmmm. Not many things will make me shy away. A big thing might be favoritism towards a member or certain members, especially if its someone who is messing up and not answering for it.
It's a requirement that quite frankly, in my opinion needs to go away. I'm all for having to check the website for updates, events etc. Just don't want to have to sign up to apply
RE: What scares you away from a FC/Guild? - Jaliqai - 03-11-2015
For me nowadays, it's all about the group dynamic. If I join something - whether it's an RP FC, a PVE group, or even just a social LS - I have to like the dynamic that everyone has. I've spent way too much time in an environment on Excalibur that devolved into constant bickering, snapping at each other, and gossip. Here? I absolutely won't tolerate it.Â
I'll eat up all the IC drama that you throw at me with a grin on my face, but the second it becomes evident that it's a place where the big OOC drama wheel starts a'churnin' on a regular basis? That's about 20lbs of 'Do Not Want' in a 5lb bag, and I'm nopenopenope'ing right on out of there. Ain't nobody got time for drama in their hobby they use to get away from their other drama.
That's not to say that the first conflict in a group will send me running for the hills.. But you can generally tell if something is just a "bad day" sort of fluke, or the people really, really do not enjoy or even tolerate the others' company. It's the latter that I can't deal with.
RE: What scares you away from a FC/Guild? - Parvacake - 03-11-2015
(03-11-2015, 06:22 PM)Manasas Reed Wrote:Ahhh that's a bit different then(03-11-2015, 06:14 PM)Lilithium Wrote:(03-11-2015, 05:03 PM)Manasas Reed Wrote: For me personally, anytime I see or hear "sure we'd love to have you, just join our website and apply there" I immediately am peacing outta that joint.As an FC leader I can honestly say the use of a website is for organization purposes. Especially if it's a bigger FC. There's only so much we can cram in the message of the day and being on a site means we can put a calender up for people to check for future events. Sadly you'll be a bit out of luck for a lot of places to join since this is a rather common requirement.
Also with Sastra on keeping an eye on this since it's something I might use
When it comes to joining a group...Hmmm. Not many things will make me shy away. A big thing might be favoritism towards a member or certain members, especially if its someone who is messing up and not answering for it.
It's a requirement that quite frankly, in my opinion needs to go away. I'm all for having to check the website for updates, events etc. Just don't want to have to sign up to apply
 We have an apply section on our FC but usually it's for those who can't catch us online so it's an easier place to go.
RE: What scares you away from a FC/Guild? - Enla - 03-11-2015
(03-11-2015, 06:22 PM)Magellan Wrote: FCs/Guilds that don't allow alts. Like seriously...?Thiiiisssssss, the only reason my alts are getting any attention right now is because my FC mates allowed me to throw a couple of them into the pool so that while I'm leveling them I'm still in constant contact if something comes up. It just makes the experience so much more fun, even though none of them actually fit the theme beyond my main.
FCs that require your alts to be part of the story to be in the FC: not every character is gonna fit the theme, sorr, but i'd still like to hang out oocly with the friends and in game family I've made.
And FCs that don't run intro rp and just expect you to 'jump in'? Ewwwwww.
RE: What scares you away from a FC/Guild? - Nebbs - 03-11-2015
Ones that just throw you and invite with no application or IC entrance.
Really strict rules
Really strict story
Some unspecified magic doohicky that messes up and also fixes everything
Restrictive privileged use of FC resources
And the absolute no way get right away... IC status based on OOC guild status, especially where the FC Owner is the IC leader of everyone.