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Artists in Eorzea? - Sacha Desyre - 03-18-2015
No doubt there certainly is (obviously by the paintings and such you can get for your house), but what I'm interested in is how about would I go with mediums and such?Â
I had wanted to put a darker twist on it (inspired by a magic the gathering image) but it's also good just to everything anyway.
My guess is I would look to medieval (or later) artists and what they used to paint then, but convert it to possible materials people in Eorzea use?
RE: Artists in Eorzea? - Jancis - 03-18-2015
It's definitely a fun idea to pursue and imagination in the limit with some of it. Parchment, cloth canvas, variety of inks (enchanted and non) are available.
Alchemy could play a role in it, and also it can spin off into mini adventures where the artist and some companions or mercenaries have to go and procure rare items. Fighting a giant sea snail for its precious purple pigment... it could be epic-ish.. giant snail.
Jancis knew an artist for a brief time and has a map of Eorzea the man painted for her including a depiction of her. It was a sweet moment where he asked her to not move for a minute so he could capture it in his mind's eye. So for a dark twist can even paint something which literally captures something or part of someone. I've seen a couple 'art workshops' set up with small tables and the manor music holder as an easel.
An idea to maybe mask magical runes or shapes (like an arcanist) within paintings.Â
Just throwing out random ideas while not staring at work.
RE: Artists in Eorzea? - Gegenji - 03-18-2015
Well, there's obviously sculpture and painting, from what we can tell. Most of the paintings seem to be portraits and landscapes, though, and very little in the way of "abstract" art in either medium. To a degree tattoos and facepaints are art - body art - but the number of different types are a bit limited. Music is an art, too, so you have all the various songs and such that our various wandering Bards put out - or whatever's composed on the instruments you can furnish a house with - and there's likely plays and such put on in the amphitheaters (like the one in Gridania), though I don't recall any such troupes offhand in the lore.
What sort of medium where you thinking of going with? I'm sure there's some way to get it to work.
RE: Artists in Eorzea? - Aya - 03-18-2015
Eorzea has a pretty wild mixture of technological development. I think you can imagine most real world arts being practiced, and no doubt others based upon magic and magitek. I think you can use your imagination pretty safely ^_^
RE: Artists in Eorzea? - Sacha Desyre - 03-18-2015
Jancis pretty much summed up my ideas of where I wanted to go with Sacha. Blood painting is something I was quite interested for him to do, so it would be fun to hire mercenaries or the like to capture creatures or perhaps aid him in taking him to where certain creatures are.Â
I'm even playing with the idea, if some people wanted their images done by him, they should be willing to "donate".
My guess is for canvas' skins/leather might also be an option?Â
Good to know there are signs of artists out there other then bards, because I couldn't quite think if I had heard of any.
RE: Artists in Eorzea? - Sounsyy - 03-18-2015
(03-18-2015, 11:48 AM)Gegenji Wrote: there's likely plays and such put on in the amphitheaters (like the one in Gridania), though I don't recall any such troupes offhand in the lore.
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There's a Gridanian theater troupe called the Homunculi.
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I saw an opportunity... and I seized it...
As for the artwork, I'd say look at medieval, renaissance, or victorian era paintings and styles and maybe see what you can incorporate into your own IC art. Oil on canvas seems to be popular. As for dyes, Jancis had a pretty good idea. Some dyes would come from snails or shells, some from plants. There's several ways to desynth or just plain gather dye pigments in game, could use some of those as inspiration, or look up some RL methods. Turmeric, charcoal, ochre, and paprika can be ground up to make dyes if I remember correctly? Or y'know... blood.
EDIT: Sculptures also work if your character would be into that sort of thing? Though most sculptures in game have a religious depiction. The statues of Nald'thal in Thanalan, there's several varying renditions on the appearance of Llymlaen in Limsa. The artwork on the portcullis in Ul'dah are actually religious in nature, twin circles representing the worlds of Nald and Thal, wreathed in sun rays, likely an homage to the Belah'dian days of sun worship.
RE: Artists in Eorzea? - Zaheela - 03-18-2015
Considering some of the wall furnishings out there, it seems that despite a very medieval feel, the actual styles of art are far more advanced, with psuedo-modern techniques (AKA SE model makers are lazy and used photoshop filters on screenshots *cough cough*). Some of the painting suggests that we at least have Oil paints, as well as the alchemical knowledge of stained glass making and such.
Paints and such don't need to use rare extracts really; many paints were derived from plant sources, though there are rare shades not easily found in nature, so you could use our alchemy system as well in RP to cause chemical changes in a hue.
As for runes, ICly my character sews minor wards into cloth and has a magical seal for contracts, so hiding one in a picture is far from impossible one would think.
RE: Artists in Eorzea? - Gegenji - 03-18-2015
(03-18-2015, 12:08 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: There's several ways to desynth or just plain gather dye pigments in game, could use some of those as inspiration, or look up some RL methods. Turmeric, charcoal, ochre, and paprika can be ground up to make dyes if I remember correctly?
I would figure you the dyes you use to dye weapons and gear could be re-purposed into paints as well, yes?
RE: Artists in Eorzea? - Sacha Desyre - 03-18-2015
(03-18-2015, 12:09 PM)Zaheela Wrote: Considering some of the wall furnishings out there, it seems that despite a very medieval feel, the actual styles of art are far more advanced, with psuedo-modern techniques (AKA SE model makers are lazy and used photoshop filters on screenshots *cough cough*). Some of the painting suggests that we at least have Oil paints, as well as the alchemical knowledge of stained glass making and such.I did think the painting style was certainly further along then Medieval, but since fantasytends to be based around then I thought it would be worth looking into that era. So thank you for the other suggestions to look into!Â
Paints and such don't need to use rare extracts really; many paints were derived from plant sources, though there are rare shades not easily found in nature, so you could use our alchemy system as well in RP to cause chemical changes in a hue.
I shall have to study up on alchemy too then as that seems to be a likely way also for Sacha.
RE: Artists in Eorzea? - Zaheela - 03-18-2015
(03-18-2015, 12:10 PM)Gegenji Wrote:(03-18-2015, 12:08 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: There's several ways to desynth or just plain gather dye pigments in game, could use some of those as inspiration, or look up some RL methods. Turmeric, charcoal, ochre, and paprika can be ground up to make dyes if I remember correctly?
I would figure you the dyes you use to dye weapons and gear could be re-purposed into paints as well, yes?
Kinda? Leather and cloth dyes are different then paints and pigments, as well as the chemical powders used to change the color of the metal. Game wise, it's glossed over, but in real life, they are completely different. I mean, the One old fashioned way to make leather involved pigeon poo.... not a method I'm interested in recreating in game thank you.
RE: Artists in Eorzea? - ChewableMorphine - 03-18-2015
Just a friendly reminder that only jerks point out minor lore inaccuracies. Let your imagination run wild, there's so much grey space in technological development that you can get away with loads of things. So if somebody says you can't freakin' paint, they're asses and should be addressed as so. Paint, paint to your heart's content!
RE: Artists in Eorzea? - Sounsyy - 03-18-2015
(03-18-2015, 12:15 PM)Zaheela Wrote:(03-18-2015, 12:10 PM)Gegenji Wrote:(03-18-2015, 12:08 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: There's several ways to desynth or just plain gather dye pigments in game, could use some of those as inspiration, or look up some RL methods. Turmeric, charcoal, ochre, and paprika can be ground up to make dyes if I remember correctly?
I would figure you the dyes you use to dye weapons and gear could be re-purposed into paints as well, yes?
Kinda? Leather and cloth dyes are different then paints and pigments, as well as the chemical powders used to change the color of the metal. Game wise, it's glossed over, but in real life, they are completely different. I mean, the One old fashioned way to make leather involved pigeon poo.... not a method I'm interested in recreating in game thank you.
/coats leather armor in dodo-droppings.
IT'S ART OKAY?!?!?!?!
Art history is really fascinating.
RE: Artists in Eorzea? - Zaheela - 03-18-2015
(03-18-2015, 12:18 PM)Sounsyy Wrote:(03-18-2015, 12:15 PM)Zaheela Wrote:(03-18-2015, 12:10 PM)Gegenji Wrote:(03-18-2015, 12:08 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: There's several ways to desynth or just plain gather dye pigments in game, could use some of those as inspiration, or look up some RL methods. Turmeric, charcoal, ochre, and paprika can be ground up to make dyes if I remember correctly?
I would figure you the dyes you use to dye weapons and gear could be re-purposed into paints as well, yes?
Kinda? Leather and cloth dyes are different then paints and pigments, as well as the chemical powders used to change the color of the metal. Game wise, it's glossed over, but in real life, they are completely different. I mean, the One old fashioned way to make leather involved pigeon poo.... not a method I'm interested in recreating in game thank you.
/coats leather armor in dodo-droppings.
IT'S ART OKAY?!?!?!?!
Art history is really fascinating.
....well.... I guess the corrosive properties would add some kind of acid armor effect?
RE: Artists in Eorzea? - Gegenji - 03-18-2015
(03-18-2015, 12:19 PM)Zaheela Wrote:(03-18-2015, 12:18 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: /coats leather armor in dodo-droppings.
IT'S ART OKAY?!?!?!?!
Art history is really fascinating.
....well.... I guess the corrosive properties would add some kind of acid armor effect?
SOUNSYY's defense greatly rose!
Seriously, though. I'm just offering the dyes as a cheap way to explain what paints are available. No muss no fuss. I'd probably use the different types of whetstones for sculpting stone material as well, in fact.
RE: Artists in Eorzea? - Sacha Desyre - 03-18-2015
(03-18-2015, 12:18 PM)☆Flynt Reddard☆ Wrote: Just a friendly reminder that only jerks point out minor lore inaccuracies. Let your imagination run wild, there's so much grey space in technological development that you can get away with loads of things. So if somebody says you can't freakin' paint, they're asses and should be addressed as so. Paint, paint to your heart's content!
Well, this is all the motivation I need! lol