+- Hydaelyn Role-Players (https://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/mybb18)
+-- Forum: Community (https://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/mybb18/forumdisplay.php?fid=8)
+--- Forum: RP Discussion (https://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/mybb18/forumdisplay.php?fid=13)
+--- Thread: The RPC and You: A Discussion (/showthread.php?tid=10810)
The RPC and You: A Discussion - cuideag - 03-26-2015
So I am sure by now we've all heard about the summit that's going to happen. Check out the thread here, see what you think, hopefully everyone who participates will walk away with something productive.
I'm a little skeptical but hey, I'm a jerk.
The RPC is a pretty great vehicle for our lovely little community. We've seen people, FCs, plots, and stories come together for the rest of us to fawn over. We've seen how people feel about stock photos of fruit salad, or something? I'm really not sure.
What I would like to discuss (without whatever restriction) is: making and maintaining connections. Whether you are a single player, a part of a plot-driven LS, or an FC, you might have come through these parts to make a connection somewhere. Personally my biggest challenge due to several things, my own IRL schedule or lack there of being numero uno, is maintaining those RP relationships. Everybody has their own way of carrying on stories and whatnot but I am in the camp that those stories can't really exist if contact wanes for whatever, or is nonexistent with the case of smaller FCs or new individuals still trying to get their toes in the water.
What kind of experiences have y'all had with opening and maintaining communications with your fellow RP buddies? What kind of successes and failures have you been met with, and how have they impacted your experience? Do you think there are features or other means by which the RPC might make connecting things easier? Are there tools or features that LS or FC leaders might wish to see or utilize to help make events more visible? Are there certain resources folks might want to have on hand for coordinating, preparing, and executing said events?
Please forgive me if I dropped this in the wrong forum! Also please, let's keep this constructive.
RE: The RPC and You: A Discussion - Bryn - 03-26-2015
I was literally just talking about the RPC with friends in Skype. I don't think I'd be alone in saying that there's been some toxicity on the forums lately, some hostility, arguments and defensiveness.
Whatever, it's the internet. But we're fortunate to have the RPC. Without the RPC, there'd be no role-playing servers. Without RP servers, our experience of Eorzea as Role-players would be a lot quieter and far more lonely. I personally have found the RPC to be a wonderful and priceless tool for finding and improving RP and making connections (love dat wiki u guiz srsly), which is why I'm happy to pay for its upkeep over on the Patreon drive.
I'm a strong believer in community. I've been on both ends of the MMO-RP spectrum before; being in a lonely little RP LS in a game innately hostile to RP (FFXI), and being in an RP guild on a official RP server (WoW). In these cases there either wasn't an RP community, or the RP community had no wider organisation. Compared to our situation on Balmung at least, both sucked. I can honestly say that my time on Balmung has been the happiest, most fun and fruitful experience I have had with RP in MMOs, and that's due in no small part to the RPC.
Basically, I think it's obvious that we get the community we work for. I can't speak for Gilgamesh, but as I've said, I think Balmung is wonderful. But there's always ways to improve. To do that, we've got to pull together. Let's not forget that SE isn't making official RP servers any time soon; they never had any intention to do so. We're pretty much on our own. But Balmung and Gilg are the RP servers because we decided we were going to make them the RP servers. That was us, pulling together.
Anyway, the point that I'm trying to make in this TL;DR post, I guess, is that I've been feeling for a while that we as RPers could do a lot more to really strengthen our communities in ways that would benefit all of us. In particular I'd like to see efforts toward:
1) Encouraging greater inter-FC RP, and
2) Helping both those new to our servers / new to RP settle in and become part of our communities.
RE: The RPC and You: A Discussion - Domri Blackblade - 03-26-2015
I came back to Balmung for RP at the first of this month and I found the RPC was a huge staple in the levels of activity I've found. Not the only one, but a large one.
I consider myself a floater in RP. What that means is I try to integrate myself into other people's stories and help them progress theirs as well as mine. I haven't yet had the chance to host my own only because of how insanely occupied I am anytime I log in. But I'm very, very big on utilizing other players as much as I can for any story progression, so I am very big on approaching and doing my best to maintain an OOC and IC line of communication.
That being said, I'm FAR from good at it. I know there are people who reached out to me who managed to fall through the cracks. I made a thread in the Making Connections and got much bigger of a response than I anticipated. And I keep up with most of the people who I managed to get to. (Sorry to those that I didn't! Trust me, I didn't forget you.) Through that thread, I even managed to reconnect with someone I knew from around six years ago.
My RP is to the point where I have to block time for people, and I don't like having to do that. Mainly because I think RP should just flow fluidly, but I also don't want anyone to feel left out. To sort of combat this, I've just written it into my character that he is insanely busy so most people who know him know he is always out doing something.
The RPC has brought me to awareness of events, and of people I most likely would not have gotten a chance to meet. The only other thing that has brought me to a group of people whom I love most on this game is actually Party Finder. One of the linkshells I am in advertised their website on party finder and ever since I applied, I have been in skype with and actively engaged in activities with them on a daily basis.
I know one way people get me to their events is to post a thread here then shoot me a PM in game or on skype to let me know what's going on and that's how I block that time out to be free for it. So I guess my advice is to be proactive and not shy about putting your event out there. There are people like me who check that calendar on the top bar frequently. So, I know what's going on even if I have no IC reason to be there.
Bottom line, I find the less closed off and shy you can try to be, the more it becomes apparent how easy it is to just pick up RP at the drop of a hat. I have never had trouble finding people to RP with, even if it is slow. I have, however, noticed people are timid to brach out of what's comfortable, and that creates the illusion of 'dying open world rp' and the like. I rarely ever go to the Quicksand and I am never short on roleplay.
TL;DR: Put yourself out there, you'll find everything is healthy.
RE: The RPC and You: A Discussion - Gegenji - 03-26-2015
(03-26-2015, 03:48 PM)Bryn Wrote: 2) Helping both those new to our servers / new to RP settle in and become part of our communities.
I think this is a really good goal to work on. Especially to those who have never RPed in a MMO before. I think the scariest part of my first coming to Balmung was being completely unfamiliar with MMO RP. I still feel a bit sketchy on it at times, but being able to actually get some in-game RP under my belt helped a lot with that.
The Making Connections section, I'd think, helps a lot with that? If not, we should definitely promote more ways of getting people's feet wet and more comfortable with MMO RP. I think my greatest failing was saying I'd RP with a newcomer and getting caught up in all the other stuff that I was doing that she fell on the wayside...
I think she's still on my Friends List, too... and I always feel that pang of regret whenever I see she's online. Yet I'm also a bit too ashamed to shoot her a /tell out of the blue and see how she's doing too. I'm terrible.
RE: The RPC and You: A Discussion - Aya - 03-26-2015
Love, love, love it. Its been a place where I've met people, engaged in RP, and overall enriched my experience in the game, and my life in general!
I just also want to point out that the RPC likely kept me in the game when I was thinking of quitting after my FC kind of fell apart.
RE: The RPC and You: A Discussion - Verad - 03-26-2015
I got my start in roleplay here in large part thanks to the RPC, my introduction post, and my wiki page. It's been a significant help in getting me involved in roleplay on Balmung.
Once I actually got rolling, I gathered most of my roleplay connections in real-time by working the Quicksand and having Verad do his job. I did, however, find my first FC here on the RPC as well once pitching dubious goods in the Quicksand alone became repetitive. The RPC was also a good place to house my first long piece of RP fiction - probably the longest work I've written in a while, really.
After leaving that FC and acquiring my own, I used the RPC as a means of promoting my LS, my roll system, and to a lesser extent my FC (which will change once my current plot is done). For the most part, I rely on word-of-mouth rather than active recruitment, and the strength of the posts in the RP itself. So far that's been working out.
RE: The RPC and You: A Discussion - Aaron - 03-26-2015
Was mainly a endgamer on Exodus server who figured "This game looks like a fun place to try to rp."
But that server was rp dead so I just kept endgaming. Then one day I was looking up something about how to change data servers and this site popped up. Told me Balmung was the most popular and interactive place. So here I came.Â
It also helped me learn how to rp, improve my writing, and get me back into drawing.Â
Also I have people who I actually can talk to about lesser stuff I like like fantasy stories, lore and all rather than my irl friends where all they talk about is. . . .Â
You know, id just rather keep it censored.
RE: The RPC and You: A Discussion - Tiergan - 03-26-2015
I feel like we need to figure out a way to arrange actual meetings for brand new RPers posting in the Making Connections forum from a "I'm having trouble finding RP and could really use some! Halp!" standpoint.
Right now the way the forum often (but not always) works for some new people is that:
1) RPer who is completely brand new to the MMO/Community/RP needs help looking for RP and posts a thread.
2) Other people post that they would love to RP with that person! "Just hit me up in game sometime! I'm up for anything!"
3) ALL of the work actually finding the people who posted on their thread is completely laid at the feet of the OP.
I know everyone means well when they post on a thread saying that they'd love to meet with someone who needs help looking for RP. I've been guilty of it myself a few times, but I feel like a lot of new RPers posting in the Making Connections forum are either really shy folks or they just have trouble finding people -- which is why they wound up in the Making Connections forum to begin with.
I can also tell you as someone who had to spend a month literally hunting after 50+ people to stick them on my friend list so I could poke them later for a plot (that has completely stalled because real life is eating my face with jerb hunts :V), its REALLY hard finding people you've never met before who are of varying timezones and schedules when the game doesn't permit you to stick them on your friends list when they are offline.
Perhaps we can reframe the idea of the Making Connections thread from "Newbie posts thread. Onus is on Newbie to do all work finding the contacts who posted in their thread." to something more along the lines of:
1) If you don't have time right now to RP with them, but you definitely want to sync back up with them in the future when you do have more freetime - post when you're going to be more free or just post in the thread later when you have free time.
2) If you post in a new RPer's thread that you're totally up for meeting and RPing with them, actually send them a PM with your availability and figure out a time when the both of you can meet up.
These don't have to be rules - they can be suggested guidelines, but I definitely feel if more people did the second thing, all our newbies would gets much more use out of that Making Connections forum.
RE: The RPC and You: A Discussion - Verad - 03-26-2015
Related to Tiergan's post, one aspect of the activity guilds on AOL back in the day was the creation of a "Welcoming Committee," wherein some chosen players would actively seek out and interact with newcomers. It might be useful to have some people volunteer for such an activity, particularly the social and outgoing folks so their personalities needn't clash with the type needed for the activity.
RE: The RPC and You: A Discussion - Tiergan - 03-26-2015
^ THAT is a really awesome idea. When real life is no longer slaughtering the majority of my free time, I would totally be up for tossing Leilani Leilai into a Welcoming Committee-type set up. (Tiergan's way too anti-social :V)
RE: The RPC and You: A Discussion - Domri Blackblade - 03-26-2015
I think Verad brings up a great idea. I know I'd gladly reach out to new folks if needed and Domri is more than outgoing enough to work that into him. Reminds me of the mentor flags. Just have some individuals ready to extend the hand out and help others feel more integrated and have a person/place they feel comfortable around from the start.
RE: The RPC and You: A Discussion - Telluride - 03-26-2015
I've been wanting to organize a Pub Crawl for this sort of thing.
The idea would be that FCs with RP housing, and/or who would be looking for new members or to help new players get their feet wet in RP, would agree on a night and time, and a Crawl group would go from place to place, meeting new people, advertising membership drives, and giving people a chance to meet one another and show off.
RE: The RPC and You: A Discussion - Melkire - 03-26-2015
I'd suggest that anyone wishing to take initiative with a suggestion for improvement start a new thread specifically for that idea. That way, each new resource can have its own focused discussion and planning while allowing this thread to continue on with brainstorming, instead of getting bogged down in particulars.
Just a suggestion, though.
RE: The RPC and You: A Discussion - Domri Blackblade - 03-26-2015
I'd be wary of turning a Welcoming Club into something that becomes a recruitment drive. Not everyone seeks FCs out the gate and sometimes I find it's beneficial to be more than a potential member. (Almost all of my rp partners, for example, are not in an FC with me nor would I wish to recruit them to mine.) Also, that can make it a lot more daunting for the new player than say having a friend or two out the door who can hep them establish before they commit to an organization out the gate.
RE: The RPC and You: A Discussion - cuideag - 03-26-2015
(03-26-2015, 04:32 PM)Domri Blackblade Wrote: I think Verad brings up a great idea. I know I'd gladly reach out to new folks if needed and Domri is more than outgoing enough to work that into him. Reminds me of the mentor flags. Just have some individuals ready to extend the hand out and help others feel more integrated and have a person/place they feel comfortable around from the start.
I really miss mentor flags.
Then again I also really miss just running around La Theine or whatever and just buffing/ressing everyone I saw.That said, I worry about applying something like that to RP as I am sure there are folks who might worry that it could end up becoming a way to police RP.
Welcome committee sounds kind of cool. I wonder if that could be like a regular thing? Every few weeks or whatever, have volunteers set up a casual event somewhere and invite folks over. However I wonder how that might reach folks who might not be on the RPC? Would all the city-states be represented? What about time zones? That is, could this be something done for EU RPers as well?