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I have a crazy theory about primals. (Some general 3.0 spoilers) - Marisa - 07-09-2015
Tin-foil hat time! Now this is going to start off pretty reasonable, but get worse as it branches out. Stay with me here.Â
Okay, so let's get the obvious out of the way first: Each 2.0 primal is based around an element: Wind, water, earth, fire, ice, lightning, moogle. But I would venture to say these are all not simply elements, but aspects of magick. And that this list includes two other aspects: Light and Dark. So it would break down like this:Â
Wind - Garuda
Water - Leviathan
Earth - Titan
Fire - Ifrit
Lightning - RamuhÂ
Ice - Shiva
Light - ???
Darkness - Odin
But where this gets cool is that, I think, the 3.0 primals are now combining aspects. Â
Earth + Fire - Ravana Â
Wind + Water - BismarckÂ
Water + Fire - Alexander (steam, if you didn't catch that) Â
Light + Darkness - Thordan Â
Let's back up a sec. 2.0 gave us almost every "pure" aspect, except for Light. OR DID IT?! Â
I told you this would get weird. I am going to claim here and now that the Heroes of Light died at Carteneau. All of them. Completely dead. Louisoix could no more send Derplander to the future than he could contain Bahamut. After the Calamity, life sucks for everyone. Everything is burning and/or flooded, and there's big monsters everywhere. People are desperate for a savior, kind of like the beast tribes... So, with their combined prayers for salvation, and all the unleashed ether just sitting around in giant goddamn crystals, they unknowingly summon DERPLANDER (Extreme)!Â
Think about it. Dude just appears out of nowhere with no real memory of who he is or what the hell happened to him, but an incredibly strong drive to kill things for his supporters. He proceeds to go punch Ifrit in the face, by himself. Don't give me that crap about 'THE ECHO!', half a dozen people have the Echo. Not one of them punched Ifrit in the face. But Derplander did! And then people give him crystals for payment. What kind of reward is that? The only other people in the world who are paid in crystals are other primals. And even when he loses the blessing of light, he's still powerful as shit! Sure, he still can't be tempered, but no random dude who's lost all his superpowers should be able to just beat Ravana down 1v1. Though art strong, mortal! Bullshit. Though art a goddamn primal.Â
Finally, why does everyone vaguely remember his face, just because they were at Carteneau? He's an average-sized Hyur, on a battlefield of thousands. Even if he's kicking ass the whole time, the vast majority of soldiers aren't going to see him. Derplander wasn't wiped from their minds; he's an idea in the back of their consciousness. They know him because he's the god they've been praying to, to come save them. He looks familiar because mankind collectively imagined him into existence. And he's not just out to accomplish the big hero stuff; no, Derplander goes and carries grain sacks for downtrodden Lalafell farmers because they've poured all of the little trials and tribulations of their everyday lives into creating this man. He's the combined hopes and dreams of all Eorzeans, big or small. And he's the goddamn Light primal.
edit: Urianger already figured it out, and that's why he's being sketchy as hell. You know if anyone would notice, it would be him.
RE: I have a crazy theory about primals. (Some general 3.0 spoilers) - KitKat - 07-09-2015
How to spoiler code? Is Final Coil worth spoiler-warning? Eh, whatever.
Final Coil would give you the answer to the Light-aspected Primal, if your theory was to be correct.
RE: I have a crazy theory about primals. (Some general 3.0 spoilers) - Tierney Weaver - 07-09-2015
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RE: I have a crazy theory about primals. (Some general 3.0 spoilers) - Fox - 07-09-2015
An IRL friend of mine who doesn't RP but raid progresses, literally just discussed with me last night. He was of the same mind of this.
RE: I have a crazy theory about primals. (Some general 3.0 spoilers) - Hyakki - 07-09-2015
I feel like the Shiva primal is ice element only because of the calamity (and because FF Shiva has always been ice element).The actual Shiva didn't live in a icy place and churning mists seems like a region rich in wind/lightning or wind/earth. Had the calamity affected Coerthas differently, would Shiva have been of a different element?
Also, Derplander is the husbando element primal. I summoned him. Fight me.
RE: I have a crazy theory about primals. (Some general 3.0 spoilers) - Parvacake - 07-09-2015
Final Coil will give you the answer to the Light Primal aspect, more or less
RE: I have a crazy theory about primals. (Some general 3.0 spoilers) - Aaron - 07-09-2015
Im guessing it's Bahamut.
I don't see it as a spoiler, hell just putting "Coil" in there practically screams BAHAMUT IS THE LIGHT PRIMAL.
Unless it's that [redacted] dude
RE: I have a crazy theory about primals. (Some general 3.0 spoilers) - Cailean Lockwood - 07-09-2015
Stupid question, but who is Derplander?
RE: I have a crazy theory about primals. (Some general 3.0 spoilers) - Gegenji - 07-09-2015
(07-09-2015, 01:33 PM)Vachir Crimsonborn Wrote: Stupid question, but who is Derplander?
In the official cutscenes, the "main character" (the "official" WoL) is displayed as a Midlander Hyur Warrior (though he changed to a Dragoon in Heavensward). He is affectionately referred to as the "Derplander."
RE: I have a crazy theory about primals. (Some general 3.0 spoilers) - Arelian - 07-09-2015
(07-09-2015, 01:33 PM)Vachir Crimsonborn Wrote: Stupid question, but who is Derplander?
The stock Warrior of Light that they've used in the trailers.
RE: I have a crazy theory about primals. (Some general 3.0 spoilers) - Cailean Lockwood - 07-09-2015
(07-09-2015, 01:43 PM)Gegenji Wrote:(07-09-2015, 01:33 PM)Vachir Crimsonborn Wrote: Stupid question, but who is Derplander?
In the official cutscenes, the "main character" (the "official" WoL) is displayed as a Midlander Hyur Warrior (though he changed to a Dragoon in Heavensward). He is affectionately referred to as the "Derplander."
Oh, I always thought his name was Meteor, due to this:
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Adventurer_(Final_Fantasy_XIV)
RE: I have a crazy theory about primals. (Some general 3.0 spoilers) - LiadansWhisper - 07-10-2015
(07-09-2015, 03:18 AM)Ryoko Wrote: Let's back up a sec. 2.0 gave us almost every "pure" aspect, except for Light. OR DID IT?!Â
It did, but it was not Derplander. Â If you don't mind Final Coil being spoiled, read on.
RE: I have a crazy theory about primals. (Some general 3.0 spoilers) - Celsius - 07-12-2015
So, even with us knowing who the light primal is (thanks Liadan ^_^) Â I'm still thinking that even if the derplander wasn't a primal before, he's definitely slowly becoming one. Or at least teetering right on the brink. And it wouldn't be crazy to think that all of the hopes and wishes of the people the derplander has helped along the way are the driving force behind the insane amount of power that the derplander holds.Â
I mean...look at the last scene after clearing the Reactor.
(edited for bad phone grammar!)
RE: I have a crazy theory about primals. (Some general 3.0 spoilers) - LiadansWhisper - 07-12-2015
(07-12-2015, 12:18 PM)Rinslet Wrote: So, even with us knowing who the light primal is (thanks Liadan ^_^) Â I'm still thinking that even if the derplander wasn't a primal before, he's definitely slowly becoming one. Or at least teetering right on the brink. And it wouldn't be crazy to think that all of the hopes and wishes of the people the derplander has helped along the way are the driving force behind the insane amount of power that the derplander holds.Â
I mean...look at the last scene after clearing the Reactor.
(edited for bad phone grammar!)
You might want to go and pay some closer attention to certain things that happen in the MSQ with regards to the Dragons, and specifically a revelation about the origins of a particular Elder Primal.
RE: I have a crazy theory about primals. (Some general 3.0 spoilers) - Aduu Avagnar - 07-12-2015
(07-12-2015, 05:11 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:(07-12-2015, 12:18 PM)Rinslet Wrote: So, even with us knowing who the light primal is (thanks Liadan ^_^) Â I'm still thinking that even if the derplander wasn't a primal before, he's definitely slowly becoming one. Or at least teetering right on the brink. And it wouldn't be crazy to think that all of the hopes and wishes of the people the derplander has helped along the way are the driving force behind the insane amount of power that the derplander holds.Â
I mean...look at the last scene after clearing the Reactor.
(edited for bad phone grammar!)
You might want to go and pay some closer attention to certain things that happen in the MSQ with regards to the Dragons, and specifically a revelation about the origins of a particular Elder Primal.