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Land Claiming. - Vanschiver - 07-01-2013
Hello everyone ^_^
After spending two phases waiting anxiously for an invite, I Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinally got to test A Realm Reborn over the weekend. Â As a long time player of FF11, I was impressed and excited for the role play possibilities. I spent most of my time in character creation and exploring as far as a lv 15 and a lv 3 could get without getting owned. We got pretty far...but eventually got mowed down by a lv 40. Saw some great looking areas.
Which brings me to the point of the thread. I’d like to get some thoughts on land claiming? I only ask because it the main human city in Guild Wars two got a bit crowded with people claiming ‘turf’ and what not. Unlike GW2, FF14 has a lot empty spaces and buildings within the main cities, and outside in smaller areas. I was curious if anyone intended to use some of these areas as hideouts, establishments? Would be a waste to have all the taverns and what not without characters bringing life to them.
And Yep, totally aware we’ll be getting a function for Linkshells / FC to have their own instances with housing. Thanks again!
thoughts?
RE: Land Claiming. - Tosheden - 07-01-2013
In game Free Company HQs? Yeah I approve lol
RE: Land Claiming. - ArmachiA - 07-01-2013
Right now my guilds HQ doesn't exist in game, but I'm pretty sure there will be a place we tend to congregate. No land claiming though!
RE: Land Claiming. - Black - 07-01-2013
Land claiming in GW2?
I guess I could see it. There are a few places around the world I'd like to say are my character's, particularly in/around the Human City. Although, it would make me sad if I logged in and someone already "claimed" it, although I may've been there first and not logged in much.
It's cute and all but really, in the end, while I sometimes do it too, I know it does not really "mean" anything if I claim an empty house as my own. I guess others are different on this.
Really, there is supposed to be player housing at some point in the future of FF: XIV ARR; at least, I thought I heard so. So "claiming land" would be a moot point except for starting characters who just need a place to sleep/crash until they get their player house.
RE: Land Claiming. - Asyria - 07-01-2013
Claiming land can be a source of big problems and drama in the worst case and a source of great fun and good RP in the best case.
I would personally avoid it, but if you feel the benefits are worth the risks, go ahead.
RE: Land Claiming. - Magellan - 07-01-2013
Land claiming sounds like bad news imo. If someone's already there, RP elsewhere. If not, the spot's yours for that session!
But to expect to be able to use the same spot everytime without interruption, or having to share is begging for drama.
RE: Land Claiming. - Martiallais - 07-01-2013
(07-01-2013, 11:12 AM)Asyria Wrote: Claiming land can be a source of big problems and drama in the worst case and a source of great fun and good RP in the best case.
I would personally avoid it, but if you feel the benefits are worth the risks, go ahead.
This, IMO. I'd say having a regular place where you and your LS/FC gather is well and fine. It increases visibility and will make groups easy to find but I think that trying to put a 'claim' on any land can be more trouble than it's worth in the long run. One group claims it, another says they've always had a claim on it and it just goes on and on to (usually) build more drama than it's worth. This goes doubly for the major cities (like Divinity's Reach as was mentioned in the OP), given that by and large I'd bet most of the buildings are owned by an NPC faction of some sort.
RE: Land Claiming. - Dehqon - 07-01-2013
Totally agreeing with what Asyra said.
If done right, and all parties who want the same space can find a way to share, it can be great fun and benefits everybody. A tavern could be run by one group on the main floor while the basement or an upper level belongs to a black market group while some law enforcement group uses the place as an unofficial base or recruitment office. That could lead to all kinds of unplanned fun.
Unfortunately there will be some groups that would rather have a place all to themselves to the point of keeping a squatter or two in there to discourage others from using the otherwise vacant building (or to call the group in if the squatter finds visitors).
RE: Land Claiming. - Asyria - 07-01-2013
Idea: Rent the place!
Easy way to ICly explain why different people claim it at different time!
Plus, if conflict arise, everyone can take it IC and work something out IC. (owner derped and rented it to different people at the same time?)
RE: Land Claiming. - Xenedra - 07-01-2013
I tend to agree that "claiming" is going to be the dangerous route. I think it's fine to constantly RP in one place, people may even decide to leave that area to your group, but it could also cause some bitterness if others want to use that area as well. It's my recommendation that area be thought of as first-come-first-served per RP session. If you've RP'd in the same spot for a week straight and no one was there, awesome, but on the 8th night you show up and someone is there, leave the place to them. If you roll up and try and kick another RPer out of a location, you're not really any better than a griefer. If you feel you must claim an HQ that way, I ALSO recommend not using the ACTUAL area IC. Think of it as an instance of the area with a different name and location.
It is important to not, I think, that (as others have mentioned) some good RP COULD come of a scenario like this. If you plan on approaching it as such, though, I suggest to ask in OOC tells first. "Hey, we RP here a lot and thought it would be fun to challenge your group for the area," covers a lot of bases if the group doesn't want to be bothered. And if they DON'T mind being bothered, you've just made some new friends :>.
RE: Land Claiming. - Vanschiver - 07-01-2013
Ok, maybe claiming is the wrong term. It is the one we used in my previous MMO. I just mean will people be turning these empty buildings into something that the community can see / use? Rather than it just being an empty building with chairs.
RE: Land Claiming. - Xenedra - 07-01-2013
Maybe! Especially before we can all provide housing instances for our various stores and homes.
RE: Land Claiming. - Asyria - 07-01-2013
(07-01-2013, 12:58 PM)Xenedra Wrote: Maybe! Especially before we can all provide housing instances for our various stores and homes.
That reminds me...
Back in 1.0 there was those "streets" or "halls" or whatever for the market where we put our retainers and we could just leave them in the open or rent an actual stall, which I thought was pretty cool.
I read something about there being an Auction House though.
So do we still get to set up shop in places or anything?
RE: Land Claiming. - PeriasGift - 07-01-2013
I absolutely adore the concept of a linkshell/free company taking a tavern/other business with 0-2 NPCs and saying that it's their own. In GW2 there was an unnamed tavern called the Golden Sun and groups RPd that they owned it and ran it. While the most competent person/group didn't always run it, having someone there providing staff really brought the place alive. It wasn't just a few people in an empty room talking to an NPC bartender, there was RP between two PCs, which makes a huge difference.
I was the level 3 running around with Toxa (sprinting most of the time actually to get the mobs away from me) and we found all sorts of empty buildings. It would be a shame to see them be only empty buildings. I think that linkshells/free companies should use what the game has given us and establish things, but like the Golden Sun example they should be for the community. That, in my opinion, is a really good way to avoid butthurt over establishing yourself in a particular location.Â
If it's a base their establishing then the community ICly knows where to find members of that LS/FC and they can go to them if they're in need of the services that LS/FC provides. If they're establishing some sort of business then members of the community can really feel immersed in the world. Be it a tavern, restaurant, or even that awesome hot springs that we found outside of LL, having someone run something like that makes the world truly come alive, and it's fun for both parties.Â
Eventually housing will come out but having people use buildings in the world will give RP-PVE some real life and it's a fantastic alternative for the LS/FC that don't have enough gil to pay for something of their own. I don't think it should be tossed aside because some people may get bees in their bonnet if someone took the space they wanted first. There's always a way to share if people are reasonable and willing to talk OOC, and if that doesn't work out I guarantee that if you look a little bit more you'll find a place even better!
RE: Land Claiming. - Gideon Aryeh - 07-01-2013
(07-01-2013, 01:26 PM)PeriasGift Wrote: I absolutely adore the concept of a linkshell/free company taking a tavern/other business with 0-2 NPCs and saying that it's their own. In GW2 there was an unnamed tavern called the Golden Sun and groups RPd that they owned it and ran it. While the most competent person/group didn't always run it, having someone there providing staff really brought the place alive. It wasn't just a few people in an empty room talking to an NPC bartender, there was RP between two PCs, which makes a huge difference. *winks*
I was the level 3 running around with Toxa (sprinting most of the time actually to get the mobs away from me) and we found all sorts of empty buildings. It would be a shame to see them be only empty buildings. I think that linkshells/free companies should use what the game has given us and establish things, but like the Golden Sun example they should be for the community. That, in my opinion, is a really good way to avoid butthurt over establishing yourself in a particular location.Â
If it's a base their establishing then the community ICly knows where to find members of that LS/FC and they can go to them if they're in need of the services that LS/FC provides. If they're establishing some sort of business then members of the community can really feel immersed in the world. Be it a tavern, restaurant, or even that awesome hot springs that we found outside of LL, having someone run something like that makes the world truly come alive, and it's fun for both parties.Â
Eventually housing will come out but having people use buildings in the world will give RP-PVE some real life and it's a fantastic alternative for the LS/FC that don't have enough gil to pay for something of their own. I don't think it should be tossed aside because some people may get bees in their bonnet if someone took the space they wanted first. There's always a way to share if people are reasonable and willing to talk OOC, and if that doesn't work out I guarantee that if you look a little bit more you'll find a place even better!