(08-03-2013, 11:59 AM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: I think this is based off the survey discussed here.

While I think the overall thrust of the big effects are probably true (Balmung and Gilgamesh will have more RPers, Balmung's barrier to entry means it will have a particularly large percentage of RPers per capita, miqo'te females will be super-common  ), I agree that one should take this with between one and several grains of salt because...

• It's a self-selecting sample; people were asked to go to and fill out the survey as opposed to getting the survey (this produces a suppressing effect on those with weaker opinions)
  
• We don't know what the attrition rate was (who selected out of the survey?)
  
• The survey predominantly went out to Reddit and 4chan, biasing the results to be "a study of Redditors and some other people); we know Gilgamesh is Reddit's server
  
• The thread linked above indicated some methodological issues with multiple votes, and we're not sure how they got cleaned up
  

So -- it's interesting, but certainly not damning in any way. Both Gilgamesh and Balmung will be, I'm sure, great homes for RPers. 

(08-03-2013, 09:09 AM)Obei Kinstar Wrote: I'm really not very happy with the races, I was thinking about switching my char to a female keeper of the moon... I am definitly not going too now. I think I will just keep my char the way he is, but again my char is a hume midlander, the 3rd most popular. (in ffxi i was taru and hated being so small) So for ffxiv I just tried to model my character similar to how I look irl, i guess, generally speaking, I look like everyone else...lol

(08-03-2013, 09:29 AM)Teardrop Wrote:

(08-03-2013, 09:09 AM)Obei Kinstar Wrote: I'm really not very happy with the races, I was thinking about switching my char to a female keeper of the moon... I am definitly not going too now. I think I will just keep my char the way he is, but again my char is a hume midlander, the 3rd most popular. (in ffxi i was taru and hated being so small) So for ffxiv I just tried to model my character similar to how I look irl, i guess, generally speaking, I look like everyone else...lol

I always wonder how often this thought process carries over to real life..."There are too many white people here in my home country of Sweden.  I think I'll move to Uganda, where I'll stand out more."

A class glut is one thing, because it potentially effects one's actual mechanical gameplay experience, with the lessened ability to get into groups with a particular role, etc.  But race really shouldn't matter to anyone else but the player it seems to me (especially in FFXIV, where any racial advantages are really negligible), so my suggestion is that one goes with what makes them happy to play.  As you can see, the majority of everyone else seems to be doing just that

(08-03-2013, 09:29 AM)Teardrop Wrote:

(08-03-2013, 09:09 AM)Obei Kinstar Wrote: I'm really not very happy with the races, I was thinking about switching my char to a female keeper of the moon... I am definitly not going too now. I think I will just keep my char the way he is, but again my char is a hume midlander, the 3rd most popular. (in ffxi i was taru and hated being so small) So for ffxiv I just tried to model my character similar to how I look irl, i guess, generally speaking, I look like everyone else...lol

I always wonder how often this thought process carries over to real life..."There are too many white people here in my home country of Sweden.  I think I'll move to Uganda, where I'll stand out more."

A class glut is one thing, because it potentially effects one's actual mechanical gameplay experience, with the lessened ability to get into groups with a particular role, etc.  But race really shouldn't matter to anyone else but the player it seems to me (especially in FFXIV, where any racial advantages are really negligible), so my suggestion is that one goes with what makes them happy to play.  As you can see, the majority of everyone else seems to be doing just that

(08-03-2013, 09:33 AM)Obei Kinstar Wrote: EDIT: the % of hardcore, casual, and rp will not add up to 100 either because you could select more then 1 option in the survey

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(08-03-2013, 09:46 AM)Ashren Snow Wrote: I never take any of these things seriously because they just don't account for the vast number of people actually playing the game. We know that there were about 1,000,000 registered users in beta, and even if we assume that a quite a few of these are not active, and some of them are multiple accounts registered to the same person, we still only see a tiny fraction of the total playerbase represented here in the survey, of nearly one million players only a few thousand actually respond, it sadly doesn't even represent 1% of everyone in game.

Regardless of all that though, looking purely at the numbers shown even though Balmung has a higher percentage than Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh still has more rolerplayers in general simply because there are more players who voted for it. It's around 140 Balmung to 180 Gilgamesh. Still, you compare the results of that survey to the results found on surveys taken here and you'd find the results to be the opposite, and in several other surveys I've seen on the beta forums the two servers often switch which is in the lead. It's just not possible to view these as accurate in any way.

Looking at the numbers, they basically represent less than .01% of the registered playerbase.

(08-03-2013, 10:32 AM)Obei Kinstar Wrote:

(08-03-2013, 09:46 AM)Ashren Snow Wrote: I never take any of these things seriously because they just don't account for the vast number of people actually playing the game. We know that there were about 1,000,000 registered users in beta, and even if we assume that a quite a few of these are not active, and some of them are multiple accounts registered to the same person, we still only see a tiny fraction of the total playerbase represented here in the survey, of nearly one million players only a few thousand actually respond, it sadly doesn't even represent 1% of everyone in game.

Regardless of all that though, looking purely at the numbers shown even though Balmung has a higher percentage than Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh still has more rolerplayers in general simply because there are more players who voted for it. It's around 140 Balmung to 180 Gilgamesh. Still, you compare the results of that survey to the results found on surveys taken here and you'd find the results to be the opposite, and in several other surveys I've seen on the beta forums the two servers often switch which is in the lead. It's just not possible to view these as accurate in any way.

Looking at the numbers, they basically represent less than .01% of the registered playerbase.

1 million people registered for the beta, only a small fraction of that were accepted to participate. This def represents more then .1% of the playerbase

EDIT: also you say that surveys here show opposite results, thats probably due to the fact that everyone here is biased in that we all RP, this survey would draw more of an unbiased response since it has people participating from all different play styles, servers, and regions. Where the surveys done here are biased to a couple servers and all RP'ers.

(08-03-2013, 11:02 AM)Ashren Snow Wrote: I was pretty sure Yoshida said something about there being over 900,000 players IN beta as of phase 3.

(08-03-2013, 11:05 AM)Obei Kinstar Wrote:

(08-03-2013, 11:02 AM)Ashren Snow Wrote: I was pretty sure Yoshida said something about there being over 900,000 players IN beta as of phase 3.

I think you might have mis-read something, I have been following info fairly close and I never seen that.

Show me a link to that info and I will absolutely retract my statement

• It's a self-selecting sample; people were asked to go to and fill out the survey as opposed to getting the survey (this produces a suppressing effect on those with weaker opinions)
  
• We don't know what the attrition rate was (who selected out of the survey?)
  
• The survey predominantly went out to Reddit and 4chan, biasing the results to be "a study of Redditors and some other people); we know Gilgamesh is Reddit's server
  
• The thread linked above indicated some methodological issues with multiple votes, and we're not sure how they got cleaned up