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VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Regulus Heartnet - 08-11-2013
ok i want know witch one you like most ? and would say if they add the viera for those who dont know the viera this what look like
RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Ashren Dotharl - 08-11-2013
(08-11-2013, 10:14 PM)Rush Wrote: ok i want know witch one you like most ? and would say if they add the viera for those who dont know the viera this what look likeThey took a poll a long time ago trying to figure out what race the players would most like to see if they added a new race in an expansion. Viera and a Dragon race were the top two voted ideas (I think they were tied, or pretty close) but nothing has been set in stone whether or not this is what will happen. While I thought the Viera were pretty cool, I personally think they have too much in common with the Miqo'te to make them an acceptable new race, it would just be like playing a taller Miqo'te with longer ears.
RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Zyrusticae - 08-11-2013
I would definitely be more interested in a dragon race than anything else...
But as far as Viera vs. Miqo'te goes, I just have a preference for catgirls... and short heights, for that matter. Tall and lanky just isn't my kinda thing, y'know? I tried it with the Elezen, and, well, that just didn't work out.
I also have to agree that Viera and Miqo'te would overlap a little too much as it is. Better for the sake of variety that we get something else instead.
RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - LeCard - 08-11-2013
They already have some info up on this from Fernehalwes.
Dev blog
and it would depend on how they pull off the dragon race, if it look more like a Bangaa then not so much, would have to choose the Viera for sure then.
However, in a strait battle between miqo and viera I would have to pick the Viera(but only if they are the awesome fran version). On that note, since miquo are already very established in lore, I don't know that adding Viera would work well.
RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Orlog - 08-11-2013
I expect I'll be in the minority here, but Viera on this end. I absolutely hate just about everything in the design of the Miqo'te. The Viera at at least make a little bit of sense and their animations were never something completely ridiculous because of the animal add ons. I cringed every time I used an emote on my Miqo'te back in 1.0. Their faces are all chubby, their eyes are huge for their face, their noses are TINY (despite their claim that they have the smell of a bloodhound. That's not how that works?) and I have a lot of issue with their general focus on cuddly kittens, instead of dangerous feral cats that you would assume would come with being in a traditionalist culture.
Viera honestly came off as an actual race that would have no problems existing in that world, rather than a "CATGURL" gimmick that a lot of games try to get in on. I mean, if the Viera lost their ears and their long nails, they'd still be a race all of their own and it would still make sense. The cat ears and tail are what makes just the Miqo'te, for the most part and are just a pudgy, weird, human without them.
Even outside of the general character design, the Viera were an adaptive, solid race.
So... Yeah. I would be pretty happy if they actually added them in to the game. FFXIV was intended to be Ivalice Online, anyway. So, it'd work.
RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Shuck - 08-11-2013
Fucking...throwing my hat in the Viera circle. Here's why. Prepare yourselves, because I am about to blow minds (no, I'm not.)
I would argue that comparing the Miqo'te to the Viera is crazy-sauce. If you take a Miqo'te out of a tribe (by force, or with them just up and splitting), and they don't lose anything that a normal, run-of-the-mill human being wouldn't. Like, seriously nothing. Everything they'd lose would be social, and it's not like humans don't live in tribes.
The Viera, on the other hand, are part of an entirely alien existence. A human being could never, ever, ever possibly know what it is to be a Viera. Ever. They're (magically, psychically, whatever the fuck) bound to the woods, and the living things within them. They're hyper-sensitive to the ebb and flow of the "Mist" (basically, magical energy) in the world. When you take a Viera from the wood (or she leaves just because), that all starts to dull. They quite literally drop a piece of their existence (not their social existence, but their very being) when they venture into the rest of the world, and stay there. They suffer a kind of slow greying of the soul that you might expect, only this one is physically measurable. Miqo'te ain't got shit on that.
I would argue, in fact, that the Viera are more similar to the Padjal in their ties to the world itself. I would also state that the Viera are something that society will never truly subsume, and wouldn't be able to crush. The Miqo'te, however, are pretty much doomed by progress to be assimilated into a greater global culture where their tribalism will just kind of be forgotten, and they'll be just...seriously nothing but people with oddly placed cat ears, and a tail that serves no real purpose anymore.
Summary: Viera are actually interesting, alien creatures, Miqo'te are just an option in a character creator with tired "Tribal" pastiche tossed (in my opinion) carelessly into a world where they'd have a terrible time existing.
RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Mtoto Wamoto - 08-11-2013
(08-11-2013, 11:15 PM)Shuck Wrote: Fucking...throwing my hat in the Viera circle. Here's why. Prepare yourselves, because I am about to blow minds (no, I'm not.)
I would argue that comparing the Miqo'te to the Viera is crazy-sauce. If you take a Miqo'te out of a tribe (by force, or with them just up and splitting), and they don't lose anything that a normal, run-of-the-mill human being wouldn't. Like, seriously nothing. Everything they'd lose would be social, and it's not like humans don't live in tribes.
The Viera, on the other hand, are part of an entirely alien existence. A human being could never, ever, ever possibly know what it is to be a Viera. Ever. They're (magically, psychically, whatever the fuck) bound to the woods, and the living things within them. They're hyper-sensitive to the ebb and flow of the "Mist" (basically, magical energy) in the world. When you take a Viera from the wood (or she leaves just because), that all starts to dull. They quite literally drop a piece of their existence (not their social existence, but their very being) when they venture into the rest of the world, and stay there. They suffer a kind of slow greying of the soul that you might expect, only this one is physically measurable. Miqo'te ain't got shit on that.
I would argue, in fact, that the Viera are more similar to the Padjal in their ties to the world itself. I would also state that the Viera are something that society will never truly subsume, and wouldn't be able to crush. The Miqo'te, however, are pretty much doomed by progress to be assimilated into a greater global culture where their tribalism will just kind of be forgotten, and they'll be just...seriously nothing but people with oddly placed cat ears, and a tail that serves no real purpose anymore.
Summary: Viera are actually interesting, alien creatures, Miqo'te are just an option in a character creator with tired "Tribal" pastiche tossed (in my opinion) carelessly into a world where they'd have a terrible time existing.
This. Oh god, thank you for this.
Edit:
Aside from visual appearance and lore background...socially, Miqo'te aren't too different from Hyurs within civilized society. I'd argue that they've become so common place, that of all the current races, Miqo'te likely receive the least amount of backlash and social stigma. Miqo'te for the most part are stereotyped for their sexual promiscuity, which in my personal opinion, becomes old hat real quick.
RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Ashren Dotharl - 08-11-2013
(08-11-2013, 10:51 PM)LeCard Wrote: They already have some info up on this from Fernehalwes.Note the date that dev blog was posted.
Dev blog
and it would depend on how they pull off the dragon race, if it look more like a Bangaa then not so much, would have to choose the Viera for sure then.
However, in a strait battle between miqo and viera I would have to pick the Viera(but only if they are the awesome fran version). On that note, since miquo are already very established in lore, I don't know that adding Viera would work well.
Also two things in response to Bea. The Miqo'te in lore are a race of deadly predators, but seldom do emotes and lore ever match up. Even though the lore suggests they'd be mean and nasty or whatever, they still look like nekos so the animation team went with that the give them more appeal to a wider audience. Japanese culture is far more likely to jump on the adorable neko bandwagon than the ferocious hunter bandwagon.
In regards to the Viera, technically if you removed their ears and tail they're just Elezen that don't trim their toe nails.
It should also be remembered even if they did add them as a new race, they would be Viera-like, not actually Viera (unless they just ripped them right out of Ivalice and said they got here through some space time vortex thing like Lightning). That being said, the Viera in FFXIV could be completely unlike the ones from FFXII except for appearance, just like none of the Races in FFXIV have any real commonalities beyond superficial ones with the races from FFXI. The Eorzean Viera could end up just being some long isolated race of tribal bunny people that are discovered living somewhere and then end up just being another race option with some lore details and nothing more like every other race.
RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Mtoto Wamoto - 08-11-2013
(08-11-2013, 11:21 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote:Note that the dev blog was a joke.(08-11-2013, 10:51 PM)LeCard Wrote: They already have some info up on this from Fernehalwes.Note the date that dev blog was posted.
Dev blog
and it would depend on how they pull off the dragon race, if it look more like a Bangaa then not so much, would have to choose the Viera for sure then.
However, in a strait battle between miqo and viera I would have to pick the Viera(but only if they are the awesome fran version). On that note, since miquo are already very established in lore, I don't know that adding Viera would work well.
RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Ashren Dotharl - 08-11-2013
(08-11-2013, 11:23 PM)Mtoto Wamoto Wrote:That was kind of the point I was making by pointing out the date it was posted.(08-11-2013, 11:21 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote:Note that the dev blog was a joke.(08-11-2013, 10:51 PM)LeCard Wrote: They already have some info up on this from Fernehalwes.Note the date that dev blog was posted.
Dev blog
and it would depend on how they pull off the dragon race, if it look more like a Bangaa then not so much, would have to choose the Viera for sure then.
However, in a strait battle between miqo and viera I would have to pick the Viera(but only if they are the awesome fran version). On that note, since miquo are already very established in lore, I don't know that adding Viera would work well.
RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - LandStander - 08-12-2013
All hail the Viangaa!
I personally think both the races were fine, but it would be too weird to have more fandom with bunny girls when we already have cat people. Plus I think Yoshi-P said he was kind of against it as he didn't like the idea of male Viera.Â
I think if they release a new race at anytime they should just make one from scratch and not pull them from any other universe. I would have personally loved for all new races in 14, but I understand that they were going for familiarity and I'm a sucker for nostalgia myself :3.Â
RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Gideon Aryeh - 08-12-2013
(08-12-2013, 12:08 AM)LandStander Wrote: All hail the Viangaa!Agreed on all points, I'd prefer to see something a little more ferocious.
I personally think both the races were fine, but it would be too weird to have more fandom with bunny girls when we already have cat people. Plus I think Yoshi-P said he was kind of against it as he didn't like the idea of male Viera.Â
I think if they release a new race at anytime they should just make one from scratch and not pull them from any other universe. I would have personally loved for all new races in 14, but I understand that they were going for familiarity and I'm a sucker for nostalgia myself :3.Â
RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Ashren Dotharl - 08-12-2013
(08-12-2013, 12:08 AM)LandStander Wrote: All hail the Viangaa!I remember him actually saying something about that (the not liking the idea of Male Viera) but I also remember in that same interview he mentioned that they might use both race ideas (Viera and Dragonkin) as a singular race with the males being the Dragons and the females being Bunnies. I don't necessarily agree with this however because I feel like it's just making a hodge podge race just to appease people. Personally, since I haven't said it yet, my vote is for the Miqo'te only because I think at this junction Viera would be a bad idea and there are plenty of other unique type races they could add without another furry race. Maybe sometime down the road, the second or third expansion, it would be cool to add the Viera, but personally I'd rather see more classes than a new race, and if it were a new race I'd rather see a reptilian one since it's primarily the only thing we have missing from the typical fantasy setup: Human (Hyur), Orc/Half Orc (Roegardyn), Gnome/Halfling (Lalafell), Elf (Elezen), Furry (Miqo'te), Half Dragon (New Race). It would effectively ensure that all grounds are covered for people who love different things about fantasy, though ultimately it all boils down to aesthetics since races in FFXIV don't offer any benefits beyond an almost non-existent stat boost.
I personally think both the races were fine, but it would be too weird to have more fandom with bunny girls when we already have cat people. Plus I think Yoshi-P said he was kind of against it as he didn't like the idea of male Viera.Â
I think if they release a new race at anytime they should just make one from scratch and not pull them from any other universe. I would have personally loved for all new races in 14, but I understand that they were going for familiarity and I'm a sucker for nostalgia myself :3.Â
RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - Merri - 08-12-2013
While I think Viera are interesting, I'm in Yoshi-P's boat when it comes to my opinion on what we need next: A beastmen-esque race. Yoshida has been pretty firm on his stance that he thinks we need a lizard-like/beastmen race added in before others.
I'd rather the community have variety, and adding a beast-like race would bring just that. It's a new perspective, especially when it comes to roleplay. Of course, while I could never see myself playing a race like that as my main, I wouldn't mind having an alt. I guess what I'm getting at is I'd like to see more beastlike races mingling around in Eorzean society.
It kinda seems like the Mamool Ja from XI that we saw pop up are kinda fitting into that role, NPC wise. While we see them out in the world, and they're hostile, there's actually a few Mamool Ja NPCs inside Limsa Lominsa browsing the markets and what not, which means they most likely not only know the common Eorzean tongue, but they're perfectly capable of coexisting amongst Eorzeans in a peaceful manner.
My vote is all for Bangaa, but playable Mamool Ja would be neat as well.
RE: VIERA vs Miqo 'te ? - FreelanceWizard - 08-12-2013
I don't like any of the games where Viera have shown up (I have some choice words for what happened to the Ivalice setting after Tactics
), so my vote will inevitably be for miqo'te.I'd prefer if they added a race that was novel and more, well, "beastman" like -- perhaps even making one of the existing beastmen races playable.