(08-14-2013, 11:51 PM)Koren Wrote: Outside from the fact I think that Keepers are a bit more monogamous than this culture seems to be in contrast to the Seekers who seem to be more polyamorous...  so I don't know how well that would work ^_^; Also they seem to have big families which take care of their own averse to the Keeper's more isolationist feel... I get the sense from how they're written they wouldn't necessarily take in family from another tribe so tending to the elderly or left children would actually be more of a thing.

That said there's a lot of interesting ideas here.

(08-14-2013, 11:52 PM)Aysun Wrote:

(08-14-2013, 11:51 PM)Koren Wrote: Outside from the fact I think that Keepers are a bit more monogamous than this culture seems to be in contrast to the Seekers who seem to be more polyamorous...  so I don't know how well that would work ^_^; Also they seem to have big families which take care of their own averse to the Keeper's more isolationist feel... I get the sense from how they're written they wouldn't necessarily take in family from another tribe so tending to the elderly or left children would actually be more of a thing.

That said there's a lot of interesting ideas here.

Duno. They like they'd need to be polyamorous too still with the few males they have. Who knows~

(08-15-2013, 12:02 AM)Koren Wrote:

(08-14-2013, 11:52 PM)Aysun Wrote:

(08-14-2013, 11:51 PM)Koren Wrote: Outside from the fact I think that Keepers are a bit more monogamous than this culture seems to be in contrast to the Seekers who seem to be more polyamorous...  so I don't know how well that would work ^_^; Also they seem to have big families which take care of their own averse to the Keeper's more isolationist feel... I get the sense from how they're written they wouldn't necessarily take in family from another tribe so tending to the elderly or left children would actually be more of a thing.

That said there's a lot of interesting ideas here.

Duno. They like they'd need to be polyamorous too still with the few males they have. Who knows~

It seems like a big cultural thing to happen to not mention... especially when they go through great lengths to describe the breeding culture for the Sun Seekers.

The options are either:

1.  They happened to forget to describe the Moon Keepers are polyamorous even after going through describing the breeding rights of the Sun Seekers in full detail along with names for their breeding specifications, situations, and cultural norms... they just forgot...

2.  The Keepers aren't polyamorous.

It could be the case but it doesn't seem to make logical sense that they just "forgot" to mention a key bit of lore for one group after going over it in detail for another.  Given the matriarchal ideal and the fact that female Miqo'te were known for going off into the world at much higher rates it seems much more likely that, rather than forgetting to write lore, less female Miqo'te of the Moon Keepers settle down to form families.  After all, they aren't necessarily needed for breeding stock and families are small anyhow.  Further a little under half of the NPCs from 1.0 appeared to be Sun Seekers (the ones with names.  Since some of the Moon Keepers had Sun Seekers names I might have miscounted mobs).  Given traditions and who-leaves-where it seems to work itself out there.

Quote:Meerkats: Meerkat societies are highly structured, with a complex ranking system based on dominance. If you want to get ahead in the meerkat world, perfect the art of chin swiping and hip checking, practiced on those lower down the totem pole while someone more powerful than you is looking the other way. Being on top has its rewards; alpha female meerkats are the only ones who get to mate in meerkat town. A matriarch chooses her partner, who becomes the dominant (and only mating) male. Males initiate copulation by ritually grooming the female until she submits. If the matriarch tires of her partner, he’s quickly deposed by beta males who are more than eager to earn a chance at mating. Alpha females make all the decisions in the group: where to sleep, where to burrow, when to go outside, when to forage. Like bees, meerkat females are typically mother to all the pups in the group (females typically kill pups born of unsanctioned unions). In addition to being free to engage in mating, being a matriarchal meerkat comes with free baby-sitting and nursemaid service from the subordinate females (who also will lactate to feed her pups). The downside is that all the other females want your job; as they get older, the young females start hip-checking, stealing food, and even picking fights. Often, the alpha kicks young competitors out of the group before they get old enough to pose a threat.

(08-15-2013, 12:33 AM)allgivenover Wrote: My own personal take on it is that Keepers pretty much did whatever they wanted. Reasons being that monogamy wouldn't be exactly common due to there being so few males, one male to one female would mean a lot of females with no potential mate. There's no way the Keepers could have survived as a distinctive, separate clan under a 1:1 pairing system for thousands of years, and some Keeper names have been around for several eras.

(08-15-2013, 07:33 AM)Azelle Wrote: I appreciate the discussion going on but would have like to have it stay a wee bit more on topic aka: the video I linked.

(08-15-2013, 07:33 AM)Azelle Wrote: The big points coming from that specific matriarchal culture is the walking marriage, where a man who is attracted or in love with a woman would try to visit her at night unless she made clear to him she was not interested. If she lets him in, a sweet night can occur but he has to leave in the morning (which could fit well with keepers solitary nature).

Since it's based on love I think it fits well a tribe that favors Menphina the Lover.

In-game this can translate that first, a  breeding male can simply be a male that is sexually active (found a willing female), not necessarely chosen amongst many and second monogamy OR polygamy can occurs. A male could be in love and come back often to the same female until they grow tired of each others. A male could also try to visit several willing females or even visit outside his 1-3 family unit (which would still fits well withing matriarchal society habits). Since Keepers are pretty independant I would not be surprised if short terms relations are the usual and that would give the males many partners and thus assuring the tribe survival (the usual but not the ONLY option).

A tradition of hunting means someone must stay to care for the children, hence where the family unit comes to play. The older females and pregnant ones and maybe the odd male who is getting too old and needs to be taken care of. That keeps the females free to do whatever they need to and the males able to roam as they wish. Of course the uncles playing and watching over kids in the video could not be possible to that extent since keeper males are few in numbers.

(08-15-2013, 07:33 AM)Azelle Wrote: How the heck are we going to RP that males are rare when in-game we'll have a TON of them? hehee. As hard as I want to play with canon lore, the actual thing happening in-game is kinda making it a nonsense.