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BlackListing Gil-Sellers, Hit and Miss - Mongoose - 09-14-2013

Hi,

So far, this works about half the time.

/blist add <r>

I key it in right under a gil sellers spam, sometimes it works, sometimes the spam keeps on rolling. When I enter it again, an error returns that "So and So" is already blacklisted, then his messages continue.

Is there a better blacklist command to blacklist individual gil sellers?

I still do
/blist add <r>
because it works enough to be worth doing.

Thanks, TIA.

RE: BlackListing Gil-Sellers, Hit and Miss - Nimarhie - 09-14-2013

You could try /blacklist add <r>

Sometimes people have trouble with the shortcut version. Or you cant right click, send tell, and then edit the command so that it's /blist add "gilspammers name" and then enter and "ok" when the message to add pops up.

Really we just need a right-click command for this, and for report gilspam.

RE: BlackListing Gil-Sellers, Hit and Miss - Mongoose - 09-14-2013

Thanks much, Nimarhie, I'll give your advice a try.

I'm on a Playstation-3, so I'll need to figure out the right-click equivalent on the PS-3. Or, perhaps I can build a FFXIV Macro to enter either
/blacklist add <r> or the /blacklist add and then the macro stops and I enter the spammer's name.

As the spammers get more pervasive, perhaps someone can build a consolidated gilspammer blacklist and a macro for entering all known gilspammers with one entry. Such a "consolidated" blacklist would have to be updated, but it's better than letting them run all over us.

Thanks

RE: BlackListing Gil-Sellers, Hit and Miss - Jove - 09-14-2013

(09-14-2013, 04:56 PM)Mongoose Wrote: Thanks much, Nimarhie, I'll give your advice a try.

I'm on a Playstation-3, so I'll need to figure out the right-click equivalent on the PS-3. Or, perhaps I can build a FFXIV Macro to enter either
/blacklist add <r> or the /blacklist add and then the macro stops and I enter the spammer's name.

As the spammers get more pervasive, perhaps someone can build a consolidated gilspammer blacklist and a macro for entering all known gilspammers with one entry. Such a "consolidated" blacklist would have to be updated, but it's better than letting them run all over us.

Thanks

I use a 360 controller on the PC, but it should be the same.

Press Select to highlight the chat window with a cursor, press Up on the D-Pad to highlight people's names in chat and then press Square (I think) to enter the subcommands for the highlighted name. There's three options and one of them is "reply".

RE: BlackListing Gil-Sellers, Hit and Miss - DAISHI - 09-14-2013

They're like a Hydra. For every one you strike down, seven more appear in their place!

RE: BlackListing Gil-Sellers, Hit and Miss - FreelanceWizard - 09-14-2013

Ain't that the truth. Sad I think there's now four different gil seller sites, ranging from the "sends you random tells" type to the "spams the Adventurers' Guild with a message every second" type. Worst of all, all but one seem to be using hacked accounts.

It's just another reason to get that external authenticator -- security token, app, or whatever -- on your account ASAP!

RE: BlackListing Gil-Sellers, Hit and Miss - Gimlette - 09-16-2013

(09-14-2013, 06:03 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: Ain't that the truth. Sad I think there's now four different gil seller sites, ranging from the "sends you random tells" type to the "spams the Adventurers' Guild with a message every second" type. Worst of all, all but one seem to be using hacked accounts.

It's just another reason to get that external authenticator -- security token, app, or whatever -- on your account ASAP!

"Hacked" ...or were they simply stupid enough to go to the wrong sites or to give their information for powerleveling.  If they were truly hacked i'll feel badly for them...but honestly, i wonder how many of them made a bad choice.

That being said, my loading screen in the cities are slow, so i start getting gilseller spam before i even see people...I type up the names in my chat bar and moved them to blacklist before i do anything else...There's rarely more then three in a city...and as they havent banned the ip's with the idle boot it seems they are slowing down a /bit/.  I only had to blacklist 2 new ones last night when i went to Ul'dah from Limsa...normally if i'm on all day i'll have to do about 9.

Just keep blacklisting and reporting...its the only thing that will truly weed them out.

RE: BlackListing Gil-Sellers, Hit and Miss - IncubusManatee - 09-16-2013

You guy's should have seen Ul'Dah on Gilgamesh last night. Had seven of them bugger's posting at once. Thoroughly enraged a lot of people. Became a matter of debate when SE will manage to start removing them from the game.
When is that exactly? Has their been any O.R. from SE about them netting those Gilspammers/Powerlevel spammers?

RE: BlackListing Gil-Sellers, Hit and Miss - FreelanceWizard - 09-16-2013

They posted on the official forums recently that the banned 800-something accounts for gil selling, and that they're continuing the work on the issue.

The official line is, "blacklist them, then report them with 'Report Cheating' in the Support Desk, and we'll deal with them".

RE: BlackListing Gil-Sellers, Hit and Miss - Cato - 09-16-2013

They're certainly persistent. I'm hoping that the developers add some sort of limit per minute to the amount of times someone can post in public chat channels. It would certainly alleviate the spam and wouldn't have too much of an impact on regular discussion if each player was allowed to post five or so messages per minute.

RE: BlackListing Gil-Sellers, Hit and Miss - IncubusManatee - 09-16-2013

(09-16-2013, 11:57 AM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: They posted on the official forums recently that the banned 800-something accounts for gil selling, and that they're continuing the work on the issue.

The official line is, "blacklist them, then report them with 'Report Cheating' in the Support Desk, and we'll deal with them".

Good to know. Will keep up sending in report's then for now.

RE: BlackListing Gil-Sellers, Hit and Miss - raindrops - 09-17-2013

(09-16-2013, 11:45 AM)Gimlette Wrote: "Hacked" ...or were they simply stupid enough to go to the wrong sites or to give their information for powerleveling.  If they were truly hacked i'll feel badly for them...but honestly, i wonder how many of them made a bad choice.

It's highly likely that more than a few of the compromised accounts are the result of people getting hold of Riot's password databases a little while ago. A lot of people may well have used the same password for FFXIV and never changed it, under the assumption that the people who got Riot's data could only get into their account on there.

'Hacked' is something of a scary buzzword, but if you use the same password in more than one place then it's scary easy to compromise your account. People get hold of the databases of old forums all the time, and then sell the lists of usernames and PWs on to companies like our gold sellers. Then the sellers check all the different name/email/pw combinations in various places to see how many match up. Sadly, enough usually seem to to make this profitable.

But that's largely off-topic. The good news is that this will probably slow down after the 30 free days are over. People aren't going to continue to pay subs for their compromised accounts, after all, so after the first 30 days there's going to be a much higher barrier to the gold sellers getting in. There'll likely be some still, but in more manageable amounts.

And if FFXI is any indication, chances are that SE are/have been collecting information right now and plan to do mass bannings at some point in the future. They like to let these things go on long enough to get to the cause and to put together a huge list of suspects, so that they can deal with them all at once in a short period of time, to avoid people finding ways around it.

For now, the important things are to use a secure, unique password and the authenticator if possible and to not interact with gil sellers in any way other than blacklisting them. Even sending them a 'stop doing that' message could potentially false flag you (and since they're being controlled by bots, they won't see it anyway). You don't get in trouble or anything, but if they look at their records and see that after someone offered to sell gil you were sending them a Tell then they're going to have to investigate that - at best you'd just be wasting their time.

RE: BlackListing Gil-Sellers, Hit and Miss - FreelanceWizard - 09-17-2013

Last night was blissfully free of shout spammers in Gridania and Limsa Lominsa on Balmung, so either they've run out of accounts (unlikely) or SE's new chat filter countermeasures based on player reports of spammer text are working.

RE: BlackListing Gil-Sellers, Hit and Miss - LiadansWhisper - 09-17-2013

(09-16-2013, 11:45 AM)Gimlette Wrote: "Hacked" ...or were they simply stupid enough to go to the wrong sites or to give their information for powerleveling.  If they were truly hacked i'll feel badly for them...but honestly, i wonder how many of them made a bad choice.

Yes, hacked.  I love how everyone always feels the need to blame the victim in these cases.

Newsflash: You don't have to go to a sketchy site to get hacked.  It can be as simple as going to a perfectly legitimate site on an unsecured computer, mousing over a 3rd party ad, and BAMMO, you have a keylogger.

Additionally, SE has posted a notice on the launcher stating that 3rd party fansites have been hacked and are still having their databases compromised.  If you use the same password for the game or your email that you use on those fansites, it's easy peasy to get into your account.

There's may also be session jacking going on.  This was an issue in Rift, as well, wherein hackers were able to jack people's accounts by hijacking their login sessions with the servers themselves (completely bypassing accessing the victim's account), emptying people's gold and items and then leaving the husk of the character behind (all the while spamming for gold in various channels).

Even if you have a security token, if your email password and your game password are the same, and they get a hold of one or the other, you can kiss your security token goodbye.  They'll just unlink it from your account and be home free.

I've seen dozens of people hacked in the time that I've played WoW, and if you go to the SE forums, there is post after post of people hacked right now.  Hell, I was hacked in Rift when they had the security exploit on their servers, and I have never gone to a gold-selling website, much less purchased gold.  It might be fun to try to blame the victim, but in this case I really think that people should be given the benefit of the doubt.

RE: BlackListing Gil-Sellers, Hit and Miss - Kailia - 09-17-2013

I think I will go ahead and make a macro of that command line myself. Also has anyone seen the spam bots that aren't quite working right? The ones that in /say or /yell are spamming the letter v lol