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Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Aldotsk - 10-13-2014
My new paladin character who's going to be in part of Anelia's story will make her appearance to disturb Anelia completely. The character's alignment will fully be neutral-chaotic good but she will try to keep her distance from the blue paladin due to past connections.Â
Here's the backgrounds to see if you'd be interested in interacting with this character in the future.
Quote:Noire Nel Nelsicar, an eighteen years old (cycles, whichever) swordsmaiden has been accepted and enlisted as the league of Sultansworn as an initiate. Her background begins with her father being Ravous Nul Nelsicar who is a praetor of elite Garlean task force, and also the murderer of Anelia's family. When Noire was thirteen during the battle of Carteneau, she observed the battle along with her father, Ravous leaves Noire alone to fight against Anelia to witness the battle of "endless grudge" that he has created and that there will be more burdens and bloods to be spilled by Anelia's hands. Noire watches Anelia slaughtering Garlean troops and some of her siblings, along with her father. Instead of having grudge against Anelia, she understood the paladin's feelings of what it means to avenge one's family and what it means to have a grudge. Noire runs away from Carteneau down the south, getting lost and unable to return to Garlemald. She resided in Ul'dah as a small worker until she has decided to become Sultansworn to change the ways of her life and to someday gain recognition from Anelia. However, she is still afraid that the blue armored Sultansworn will point the sword at her.
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Aldotsk - 10-15-2014
Bumping to see.
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Warren Castille - 10-15-2014
It is difficult to rationalize <insert opposing leader/dictator here>'s son or daughter working for the US Secret Service. Not sure how else to put it.
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Aldotsk - 10-15-2014
Is a daughter :O
but yeah you are right. But the leader is dead and the person can just live shamelessly as an orphan or probably hiding in places?
Regardless - why not make this dramatically interesting to have a Garlean person fighting for Ul'dah?
And also unfortunately, Ul'dah is just a terrible imitation of US Secret Service.
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Warren Castille - 10-15-2014
The Sultansworn exist specifically to protect the Sultana. The parallel to the Secret Service is reasonable, as is the doubt that bin Laden's/Castro's/Putin's/Hitler's/jung Il's family would be working for them. Dramatically interesting, sure, but likely straining suspension of disbelief.
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Aldotsk - 10-15-2014
(10-15-2014, 11:02 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: The Sultansworn exist specifically to protect the Sultana. The parallel to the Secret Service is reasonable, as is the doubt that bin Laden's/Castro's/Putin's/Hitler's/jung Il's family would be working for them. Dramatically interesting, sure, but likely straining suspension of disbelief.
I really don't like bringing IRL logics to video game logics since I usually view video game lore logics as more of fiction and anything can happen type of view.
Sultansworn exists to protect Sultana, and if the character makes an oath - I really doubt it'll be an issue on if people will doubt this character. Sure, let the people doubt her - but there are those who will watch her to grow and gain trust. That's the power of fictional character development.
Again, Sultansworns are not Secret Services. You know what secret services mostly do? Just standing at the white house all day. Sultansworns don't usually sit in the white house all day. They are more of agents like CIA/FBI than secret services to protect president all day.
Edit: To relay what I've just said, Ala Mhigo was also very hostile nation to Ul'dah long time ago in lore basis, and the people have ran down to Ul'dah as refugees who did not agree with Ala Mhigo's ideals. Some even ran away when Garleans took over. Some have become Sultansworns and some have been living in the streets or is a famous researcher.
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Kage - 10-15-2014
Secret Service don't just sit in the White House though...
Yes their primary job is to provide security and protection for the President, families, candidates etc..
But they're also tasked with the ensuring the sanctity of the US currency.
Quote: The Secret Service has primary jurisdiction to investigate threats against Secret Service protectees as well as financial crimes, which include counterfeiting of U.S. currency or other U.S. Government obligations; forgery or theft of U.S. Treasury checks, bonds or other securities; credit card fraud; telecommunications fraud; computer fraud, identify fraud and certain other crimes affecting federally insured financial institutions.
Something I've taken from them is this:
Quote:•Carry firearms
•Execute warrants issued under the laws of the United States
•Make arrests without warrants for any offense against the United States committed in their presence, or for any felony recognizable under the laws of the United States if they have reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed such felony
•Offer and pay rewards for services and information leading to the apprehension of persons involved in the violation of the law that the Secret Service is authorized to enforce
•Investigate fraud in connection with identification documents, fraudulent commerce, fictitious instruments and foreign securities and
•Perform other functions and duties authorized by law
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Berrod Armstrong - 10-15-2014
The thing is, the idea seems a bit iffy. Even though Sultansworn swear an oath, there's a certain level of trust that needs to be gained before even being allowed TO swear the oath.Â
Just wanting to clarify -- how well is it going to be known that this character is Garlean? How well is it going to be known that this person was associated with a (relatively, reasonably) high-profile Garlean?Â
Based on that, she may not be able to earn the trust of the Sultansworn -- I mean, it's the Ul line they're protecting. I can see Jenlyns shrieking "SPY! ASSASSIN!". I'd HOPE that they'd be at least that careful. It might turn what SHOULD be interesting RP into IC ostracization.
I'm not saying don't do it, just to consider those things first. Just my two gil!
Edit:Regarding Ala Mhigans; it has been a much longer time since Ul'Dah has had to deal with Ala Mhigans in a hostile sense. Enough time has passed in that scenario for integration to be commonplace. In addition, the large number of refugees that have people's bloomers in a twist are a result of...Garlean movement!
The character would literally be piss in a bowl of oatmeal, IC. Some people may find it difficult suspending their disbelief to really want to interact with that.
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Aldotsk - 10-15-2014
(10-15-2014, 11:22 AM)Kage Wrote:Quote:•Execute warrants issued under the laws of the United States
•Make arrests without warrants for any offense against the United States committed in their presence, or for any felony recognizable under the laws of the United States if they have reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed such felony
Correction, the character has not committed any crime or have any reasonable grounds for anyone to believe that she has committed any crimes that are under the laws of Ul'dah. Ul'dah's law does not state that Sultansworns are only given to natural born Ul'dahns.
Also Ul'dah is NOT United States nor it actually has the logical similarities as United States. We can talk about Great Britain if we are comparing Ul'dah to US then.
Also, why are people trying to make this game to realism too much? There is a limit of boundaries that in reality, magics that can summon creatures and dragons that breathes fires or lightning don't exist.
Even if it's not Sultansworn, if what Berrod's logic is true - then Jenlyns wouldn't even give free paladin recognition to this character.
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Kage - 10-15-2014
Anyway, you can do whatever you want as the saying goes but it does cast a very dark light on the Sworn when they have not just a Garlean *cough*Roen*cough* serve unknown but the child of one considered very high ranking? I highly doubt that an official, if known, would allow it to happen. Large amounts of doubt on the credibility of the Sworn and so forth.
Personally I believe the idea that the Sultansworn being more like the FBI or CIA is wishful thinking on players' part on wanting to do -more- than what we have been provided by the game.
Edit: I provided the quotes for yes, a basis on what I've used for how Sultansworn can respond to things that have happened in the course of RP.
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Coatleque - 10-15-2014
(10-15-2014, 11:09 AM)Aldotsk Wrote: I really don't like bringing IRL logics to video game logics since I usually view video game lore logics as more of fiction and anything can happen type of view.
Every piece of fiction written has its base somehow in the reality around us. As much as we may want to say "anything can happen" in a story, we can never truly 'feel' what it is like to NOT be a human on earth. You can say "xyz happened" in a story, but without chapters of exposition before hand, it cannot be believable within our minds perceived reality.
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Coatleque - 10-15-2014
(10-15-2014, 11:28 AM)Kage Wrote: when they have not just a Garlean *cough*Roen*cough* serve unknown.
You also need to distinguish race from nationality. There are two types of Garleans.
Roen is a natural born Ala'Mhigan, adopted by Garleans if I'm not mistaken.
Coatleque is a full-blooded highlander, but was "nationally" Garlean simply because she was born just after the territory changed hands.
Franz, on the other hand, is a full-blooded Garlean with the 3rd eye and everything.
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Berrod Armstrong - 10-15-2014
(10-15-2014, 11:28 AM)Aldotsk Wrote: Also, why are people trying to make this game to realism too much? There is a limit of boundaries that in reality, magics that can summon creatures and dragons that breathes fires or lightning don't exist.I find that in suspending realism, there still remains a mote of common sense. In this situation it's, "Daughter of a high profile Garlean? NOT IN MY HOUSE." No amount of magic or dragons or Aether or fantastic fantasy-ness will change the sheer sense that letting in one of 'the enemy' into the closest protective circle of the Sultana is a bad idea.Â
Even if it's not Sultansworn, if what Berrod's logic is true - then Jenlyns wouldn't even give free paladin recognition to this character.
My logic noted nothing about Free Paladins in that post; I can only suppose that Jenlyns may or may not be more comfortable sending the character -out there- with the unwashed adventuring masses than -in there- with the woman he has sworn an oath to protect.
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Kage - 10-15-2014
(10-15-2014, 11:35 AM)Coatleque Wrote:Truth. In Roen's case she was essentially raised as a Garlean. Until she learned she was adopted she -was- Garlean true and through. Loyalty suspect. Kage would be the first to cry crap if Franz ever became close to being a Sultansworn >.>;(10-15-2014, 11:28 AM)Kage Wrote: when they have not just a Garlean *cough*Roen*cough* serve unknown.
You also need to distinguish race from nationality. Â There are two types of Garleans.
Roen is a natural born Ala'Mhigan, adopted by Garleans if I'm not mistaken.
Coatleque is a full-blooded highlander, but was "nationally" Garlean simply because she was born just after the territory changed hands.
Franz, on the other hand, is a full-blooded Garlean with the 3rd eye and everything.
The thing is, the character would essentially need to be like Roen before even becoming an initiate. Inconspicuous in terms of where she came from. True origins. No one knows her heritage. Proven herself. I don't see how anyone would let her in close at all if she was known to be Garlean like Franz.
RE: Garlean Sultansworn - Noire Nel Nelsicar - Aldotsk - 10-15-2014
I'd like to add that the quote I made up at the first start of the story had no absolute relations on this character publicly going to tell others who she is >_> as long as she doesn't... Tell her middle name at least. I expect people will assume she's ishgardian or somewhere else as long as she doesn't say her name in front of Anelia.
Regardless, should people feel disappointed about how I want this character to go, I am sorry but I am pretty convinced of making a character like this since I am not sure if anyone thought of pulling this ludicrous stunt... Yet