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Tseren · **06-27-2015, 04:38 PM**

At this point, I think the thread ought to be closed. The RPC is clearly incapable of having a conversation about LGBT players or characters, as shown in the constant derailment.

Kage · **06-27-2015, 04:42 PM**

I believe the question is coming from the viewpoint of much more organic? relationship building. Tell me if that's wrong?

There's a few of us who roleplay without the foremost intentions of starting romance but wanting that to come out in however way it does. For those who do, putting in "Prefers x race/lesbian/looking for female miqo'te" is a question of why. Yes it's nice to know if someone / their character is not discriminatory but there are some who wonder "why does it matter?"

Does that mean players need to say they are x-friendly? For some, it's a wondering of whether or not it is redundant. It rings to me of those threads where before someone may post a topic of "I'm looking to start a romance. Looking for female lalafell or ___." There were a few responses of "why not search through roleplay?"

I mean, most of the wikis have characters and interested in / sexual tension etc because they've built that out through roleplay. (stares at two highlanders who used to be at each others' throats)

I don't think it's a question of right or wrong, but trying to understand a different point of view.

Edit: Was typing this through a dungeon run so it got out of hand during then. Whatever.

Kage himself leans much more towards being pansexual than the other parts of alphabet soup. He doesn't care whether or not someone is a certain gender or sexuality. One of his very first friends is a male Seeker who (over a year now) has been in love with and has since bonded with another male miqo'te. During that year, the miqo'te spent time trying to rebuild his tribe with even other female miqo'te in a Seeker-like fashion but with romantic intentions (so much more bisexual tagged along with the Seeker tribal relations). ... In fact this same Seeker sometimes makes the implications that he would court Kage but since Kage is more into monogamous relationships, Kage would consider himself hurting his friends if this were even true.

Kage himself has been in a.. sort of threesome sexual relationship. It didn't turn out all that great for him in the end because it was more of the sexual and less of the romantic on one side. Also, he was a miqo'te at the time. He's seen more derogatory remarks towards Seeker tribal relationships etc than he has towards actual male/male female/female relationships.

It is not an attack on the RP, please stop taking things as insults or offensive statements as they are not. Get that chip off your shoulder, seriously. It's a curious desire from some to want to understand. Plenty of people I know do romance RP and never once step foot into ERP. I think it is perhaps an artifact of the romantic hopes that one will just "find" true love instead of going on an online dating site. Some don't understand that and wanted to ask.

Edit2: And I don't even care if people do ERP. All the time or just a little. It's not even a stigma against that.

Gone. · **06-27-2015, 04:55 PM**

(06-27-2015, 04:42 PM)Kage Wrote: I believe the question is coming from the viewpoint of much more organic? relationship building. Tell me if that's wrong?

There's a few of us who roleplay without the foremost intentions of starting romance but wanting that to come out in however way it does. For those who do, putting in "Prefers x race/lesbian/looking for female miqo'te" is a question of why. Yes it's nice to know if someone / their character is not discriminatory but there are some who wonder "why does it matter?"

Does that mean players need to say they are x-friendly? For some, it's a wondering of whether or not it is redundant. It rings to me of those threads where before someone may post a topic of "I'm looking to start a romance. Looking for female lalafell or ___." There were a few responses of "why not search through roleplay?"

I mean, most of the wikis have characters and interested in / sexual tension etc because they've built that out through roleplay. (stares at two highlanders who used to be at each others' throats)

I don't think it's a question of right or wrong, but trying to understand a different point of view.

Who says someone like me doesn't want it to be 'organic'? I just simply want to know if a potential RP partner may or may not be open to the idea beforehand; there's a stigma towards romance in RP these days as noted by the posts you refer to and if it saves both sides from disappointment, embarrassment and wasted time, then by all means I'm going that route.

(06-27-2015, 04:36 PM)Graeham Wrote: The harm in calling someone out for being 'homophobic' is that it might not even be true. If I claimed that someone was yelling abuse at me in the Quicksand it might be true but it might not be true - and the latter is precisely why rules against naming and shaming exist.

Again - it might be true but I've been part of this community long enough to be very skeptical of anything along the lines of 'he said, she said' because quite a few people team up to make up all sorts of rumours about people they clash with in an attempt to get back at them. Thus I prefer to adopt the role of the devil's advocate.

Edit: ...and just saw the mod post. I really should refresh the page before posting!

Hey, it never stopped people from RPing with me despite my supposedly 'infamous' yet ultimately false reputation as an ERP-crazed, lore breaking SJW and I've no reason to believe Vachir would go out of his way to lie about such a thing from what I've seen. *shrug*

Tbh I wish my dissenters were bold enough to actually say things to my face in such an open manner.

Alderique · **06-27-2015, 04:56 PM**

I'm pretty content with the idea of wrapping up this thread, too. A linkshell has been started for those who are interested, and that can be foundÂ here. I'm happy to chat with anyone from this thread via PM if they have anything they need to get off their chest, but at this point we're going around in circles while continuing to attract unnecessary criticism and arguments.

At the end of the day, everyone has their own approaches and their own way they want to go about playing, and you gotta let people do what they want to do.

I've been following along to keep an eye on the thread since I started it, but at this point I'm going to step out of it.

Allister Dedrick · **06-27-2015, 05:03 PM**

(06-27-2015, 04:11 PM)Vachir Toshin Wrote: Allister has stood in the mid of the Quicksand spewing blatant homophobic remarks at other people... so take that as you will.

My character is an ignorant bigot, sure, but he is not homophobic, nor has he made any comments against homosexuals in any way shape or form.

I'm sorry if Allister hurt your feelings because he's rude, but please don't lie about my character. Cheers.

Cailean Lockwood · **06-27-2015, 05:13 PM**

(06-27-2015, 05:03 PM)Allister Dedrick Wrote:
(06-27-2015, 04:11 PM)Vachir Toshin Wrote: Allister has stood in the mid of the Quicksand spewing blatant homophobic remarks at other people... so take that as you will.

My character is an ignorant bigot, sure, but he is not homophobic, nor has he made any comments against homosexuals in any way shape or form.

I'm sorry if Allister hurt your feelings because he's rude, but please don't lie about my character. Cheers.

The comments weren't at me and it isn't a lie. But due to the respect for the mod's request, I'll leave the topic be.

***Nero*** · **06-27-2015, 05:15 PM**

Locking this thread now, for it's clearly gone off the rails, crashed through several altruistic orphanages and impacted with a fireworks factory.

Please, think of the fireworks.

I mean children.

If you are a player who is interested in seeking LGBT connections, please refer to the first few pages of this thread.

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