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LiadansWhisper · **03-02-2017, 11:05 PM**

(03-02-2017, 10:44 PM)Aaron Wrote: Perhaps bit like is the benefit of rejoining great enough to make living things temporary existence sacrificial?

Everyone dies. It's genocide. There is no way you can view it as a "good" end. Everyone - and I do mean everyone - is dead.

Aaron · **03-02-2017, 11:38 PM**

(03-02-2017, 11:05 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(03-02-2017, 10:44 PM)Aaron Wrote: Perhaps bit like is the benefit of rejoining great enough to make living things temporary existence sacrificial?

Everyone dies. Â It's genocide. Â There is no way you can view it as a "good" end. Â Everyone - and I do mean everyone - is dead.

Yeah but everything is gonna die eventually, my question is what does the actual Rejoining do?

LiadansWhisper · **03-02-2017, 11:38 PM**

(03-02-2017, 11:38 PM)Aaron Wrote: Yeah but everything is gonna die eventually, my question is what does the actual Rejoining do?

The destruction of your world is like, not a good thing. Most sane people would agree that the utter destruction of an entire world is a bad thing.

I mean, maybe you think it's good. Rolleyes

Aaron · **03-02-2017, 11:41 PM**

(03-02-2017, 11:38 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(03-02-2017, 11:38 PM)Aaron Wrote: Yeah but everything is gonna die eventually, my question is what does the actual Rejoining do?

The destruction of your world is like, not a good thing. Â Most sane people would agree that the utter destruction of an entire world is a bad thing.

I mean, maybe you think it's good.

When you're dead you won't even be aware of it's destruction anymore.

LiadansWhisper · **03-02-2017, 11:58 PM**

(03-02-2017, 11:41 PM)Aaron Wrote: When you're dead you won't even be aware of it's destruction anymore.

You can't be sure of that, however. You've never been dead.

But if you're right, that's actually part of the horror.

Aaron · **03-03-2017, 01:46 AM**

(03-02-2017, 11:58 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(03-02-2017, 11:41 PM)Aaron Wrote: When you're dead you won't even be aware of it's destruction anymore.

You can't be sure of that, however. Â You've never been dead.

But if you're right, that's actually part of the horror.

People who've died irl and been revived recall not even knowing they were dead if we're being technical.

LiadansWhisper · **03-03-2017, 01:50 AM**

(03-03-2017, 01:46 AM)Aaron Wrote: People who've died irl and been revived recall not even knowing they were dead if we're being technical.

I mean, if you want to make the argument that it's totes okay to utterly destroy a world and murder possibly billions of people, I mean...I can't really argue with you.

Because that's just ripe bullshit, and you're nuts.

So like, if that's your argument, more power to you. I'm not engaging with crazy, thanks.

Aaron · **03-03-2017, 01:59 AM**

(03-03-2017, 01:50 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(03-03-2017, 01:46 AM)Aaron Wrote: People who've died irl and been revived recall not even knowing they were dead if we're being technical.

I mean, if you want to make the argument that it's totes okay to utterly destroy a world and murder possibly billions of people, I mean...I can't really argue with you.

Because that's just ripe bullshit, and you're nuts.

So like, if that's your argument, more power to you. Â I'm not engaging with crazy, thanks.

And it seems you completely missed the point.

Valence · **03-03-2017, 04:36 AM**

From what I suspect the whole ordeal of getting all the Shards to rejoin with Hydaelyn is to bring Zodiark back from its exile and rejoin with Hydaelyn. I doubt that it bodes very well for Hydaelyn, but hey, maybe Elidibus will surprise us with his usual sophisms Smile

Aaron · **03-03-2017, 07:39 AM**

Thank you for answering my question Valence.

FreelanceWizard · **03-03-2017, 08:39 AM**

(03-03-2017, 04:36 AM)Valence Wrote: From what I suspect the whole ordeal of getting all the Shards to rejoin with Hydaelyn is to bring Zodiark back from its exile and rejoin with Hydaelyn. I doubt that it bodes very well for Hydaelyn, but hey, maybe Elidibus will surprise us with his usual sophisms

Indeed it would not bode well. From EE 14: "The process, compressing fourteen dimensions back into one, is what that Ascians refer to as the Ardor, and it most certainly spells destruction of life on Hydaelyn as we know it."

Based on the Warring Triad line, I don't think Elidibus seeks that. I wouldn't call him a "good guy," but his motivations seem rather more complex than the black-robed Ascians.

Gegenji · **03-03-2017, 09:10 AM**

Also, I would think the Rejoining would be a mostly selfish act of the Ascians. After all, they're seeking to revive THEIR god and THEY will survive the Rejoinings just fine. Everything ELSE dies, but they get to stick around and get what they want, so it's all good for them?

So yeah. Even if the Rejoining causes an eternal paradise, the only ones who would get to see it and benefit from it are the Ascians. Maybe if they were seeking to make it so more people could also survive and see their New World, it might be a bit more nebulous and gray-morality. As it is? Selfish, bad thing.

Valence · **03-03-2017, 12:36 PM**

It's always hard to say with Elidibus. He sure makes a lot of fuss about keeping the balance and not letting light or dark destroy worlds, but that's exactly what Ascians want anyway. They want their worlds still breathing for the rejoining.

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