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Reppu · **08-20-2013, 01:32 PM**

Summoning Carbuncle probably isn't the biggest accomplishment, which is why the Arcanist Storyline doesn't really acknowledge it.

Going into the lower levels of the Arcanist guild shows that the Carbuncles actually need some level of training to be useful. So... it's probably just a 'congratulations, you can do what your fellow Arcanists can do. Now make it capable of walking a straight line with out falling over.'

As much as I love Carbuncle, I think the lack of 'connection' is intended, so we don't feel bad when we lose access to the little ball of neon fluff.

Ashren Dotharl · **08-20-2013, 01:36 PM**

The lore also seems to imply that they aren't Pokemon with unique personalities or feelings, they're just magic constructs that act as an extension of your own will. This isn't to say "Hey don't play them as being special!" Just that the storyline doesn't put a lot of focus on them because they aren't your Pikachu traveling the land with you on your adventure, more like they're just another tool in your toolbox.

Averis · **08-20-2013, 03:01 PM**

(08-20-2013, 01:32 PM)Reppu Wrote: As much as I love Carbuncle, I think the lack of 'connection' is intended, so we don't feel bad when we lose access to the little ball of neon fluff.

Haha, "little ball of neon fluff", I love it!

I still think there is room for a character to get attached to their summon anyway, depending on the character's personality. Even if it's similar to how you treat a special car etc.

I'm curious about the Scholar's faeries as they seem like they could talk etc. If these things are merely constructs that have no emotion or personality then why do they take these forms, or why do we give them these forms?

LeCard · **08-20-2013, 03:04 PM**

(08-20-2013, 07:13 AM)Shippuu Wrote: I'm about to kill this thread.

There is no Ruby Carbuncle.

Arcanist only gets 2 summons. Summon at level 1, and Summon II at level 15.

Summon III is Summoner only, and is the Ifrit Egi gained at level 30. There is no carbuncle equivalent
This is also why Scholar only gets 2 fairies, because they do not get an additional summon spell at 30.

Not going to kill the thread because:
1:Ruby carbuncle is the original carbuncle, so even if they refuse to put him in he gets an honorable mention.
2: there is still plenty to talk about carbuncle and how it interacts with the arcanist

(08-20-2013, 09:56 AM)Ashren Snow Wrote: During the last Live Letter, Yoshida was asked if there would be anymore Egis and his answer as (unfortunately) no, not until there was a level cap increase. This means we may see Egis for Shiva, Ramuh, Leviathan, and maybe even Odin and Bahamut, but not until an Expansion more than likely.

Quote:Q8: Are there any plans to implement additional egi?

A8: If we were going to implement additional egi, it would be when we raise the level cap.

That being said, within the actual summoning animation itself we see the use of the aforementioned crystals, so it's safe to assume even if the quests don't mention them the game still shows them being used.

my hope is that, just like they wont release any more egis until the lvl cap raise maybe they are just waiting to add another carbuncle until then.

Personally I would be disappointed in yoshi if they don't at least make some reference to all the ruby awesomeness of previous carbuncles.

Also, great screen cap. I totally forgot that you had three gems floating around you. Still wish you could get a little more info on how the gem affects the spell and what not, but at least it is there in some way.

Roda · **08-20-2013, 03:13 PM**

(08-20-2013, 01:36 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote: The lore also seems to imply that they aren't Pokemon with unique personalities or feelings, they're just magic constructs that act as an extension of your own will. This isn't to say "Hey don't play them as being special!" Just that the storyline doesn't put a lot of focus on them because they aren't your Pikachu traveling the land with you on your adventure, more like they're just another tool in your toolbox.

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who reads it like this.
They seem to be adorable robots made out out of magic and dreams.
Summoning them either creates them completely, or binds aÂ consciousnessÂ to our plane ofÂ existence.

Ashren Dotharl · **08-20-2013, 03:26 PM**

(08-20-2013, 03:01 PM)Averis Wrote: If these things are merely constructs that have no emotion or personality then why do they take these forms, or why do we give them these forms?

Fanservice.

Aduu Avagnar · **08-20-2013, 07:00 PM**

As myself and a couple of others have taken it in Soliloquy tonight, we are treating it as the crystal is a focus to summon them, rather than the creature being summoned from the crystal if that makes sense.

LeCard · **08-20-2013, 07:54 PM**

(08-20-2013, 07:00 PM)Nako Wrote: As myself and a couple of others have taken it in Soliloquy tonight, we are treating it as the crystal is a focus to summon them, rather than the creature being summoned from the crystal if that makes sense.

to go back to my original quote "unlock the latent power contained within gemstones"
which to me, means that you are simply accessing the power that is already present in the gemstones. kind of like taking the potential energy of the stone and giving it a kinetic form through the geometric symbols. which would explain why a topaz stone would create a different type of carbuncle than an emerald.

which is to say, you are the focus for the gemstones Aetheric power

Aduu Avagnar · **08-21-2013, 06:50 AM**

(08-20-2013, 07:54 PM)LeCard Wrote:
(08-20-2013, 07:00 PM)Nako Wrote: As myself and a couple of others have taken it in Soliloquy tonight, we are treating it as the crystal is a focus to summon them, rather than the creature being summoned from the crystal if that makes sense.
to go back to my original quote "unlock the latent power contained within gemstones"
which to me, means that you are simply accessing the power that is already present in the gemstones. kind of like taking the potential energy of the stone and giving it a kinetic form through the geometric symbols. which would explain why a topaz stone would create a different type of carbuncle than an emerald.

which is to say, you are the focus for the gemstones Aetheric power

However, in the game, the acting guild mistress states that carbuncle is summoned from the aether.Â

There is nothing saying what that latent power is. Therefore the latent power could well simply be acting as a focus, and you are calling upon that. This fulfils both aspects of the current lore.

Xha'li Moui · **08-21-2013, 02:35 PM**

I'm with Nako'li in that the Carbuncle is a creature of the aether and the crystal, and any latent power it might have, is simply the "path" we use to find and call our Carbuncle into the mortal realm.

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