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Meena · **04-12-2015, 07:03 PM**

Hey guys,

I'm not trying to start this thread as a point of heat or such - just seeking out the lore of full body glamors.

As we know from pretty much every third leve quest Â - Beastmen (giants) and Voidsent (imps, etc) have the ability to conceal themselves and their identities to the hyurian eye unless attacked. Â However this ability is not available to the Hyurian folk as I imagine it requires a more otherworldly form of magic. Even The transformation spells we get still make the user unable to act as they normally would - and they always take the form of someone/something we have all seen before.Â

I've noticed the growth of players playing 'Glamoured' characters that are actually another race and was curious behind their lore behind it. Or is lore simply being ignored for the desire to play something that is unavailable yet?

;-; any source on this full body glamour would be wonderful, thanks.

Pastry Army · **04-12-2015, 07:16 PM**

If I recall correctly, during the Main story quest in Corethas in the mid forties range, you face the fake Inquisitor who turned out to be a dragon cultist. As an Elezen he glamoured himself to look like a giant Wyvern of sorts. So the lore isn't too far-fetched using that as a basis.

Kyrio Lamansque · **04-12-2015, 07:19 PM**

I don't seem to remember the actual transformation being spoken of. I remember the member of the Holy See being a draconic sympathizer of sorts, using his powers to condemn to walk enemies off the cliff. But during a confrontation, a drake showed up to assist as the PC was seeking to but an end to the farce.

I was always just under the impression that if people wanted to play Domian knowing that they're coming, that they just say that they are such. We know that they exist, so people will find a way to play it.

N'velhi Tia · **04-12-2015, 07:35 PM**

(04-12-2015, 07:16 PM)Pastry Army Wrote: If I recall correctly, during the Main story quest in Corethas in the mid forties range, you face the fake Inquisitor who turned out to be a dragon cultist. As an Elezen he glamoured himself to look like a giant Wyvern of sorts. So the lore isn't too far-fetched using that as a basis.

The inquisitor utilizeddragon magicks, most likely, then again - he did use an arcanist's book to channel the spell, and we know arcanists can cast myriad spells.Â

I've raised a thread not too dissimilar to this one some time ago; it might be relevant for the OP.

Sounsyy · **04-12-2015, 07:36 PM**

There's not a lot of lore on the subject truthfully. Glamours are a thing that have crept up in various places throughout the game and roleplayers have grabbed on to the concept in a variety of ways.

This is another recent thread on the topic. Maybe can help? ^^

EDIT: got beaten to the punch lol.

Moonlit · **04-15-2015, 06:52 AM**

It may also be worth noting that during both the Halloween event, "All Saints Wake," and the current event (Hatching-Tide) there are 'full body transformations' that happen. The event descriptions lead one to believe that this has to do with illusion called "Transfiguration." Whereas this word may not necessarily be the term "glamour" they do suggest the ability to take one creature and make it look like another (and not have it attached to, "Omgdarkvoodoomagickkillit").

Quote:All Saints Wake:

This transformation is due in no small part to the Continental Circus, a traveling troupe of mummers committed to making All Saints' Wake a holiday to remember. Donning devilish disguises, they tour the land, performing playful pageants of conjury and illusion, bringing chills to spines and smiles to faces wherever they go.

- 2014 Edition

*to elaborate further, in the above event you're turned into different "devilish" creatures by an uncanny illusionist for a FATE.

Kellach Woods · **04-15-2015, 08:13 AM**

Also, Sylphs can do the same.

Warren Castille · **04-15-2015, 08:37 AM**

Full-body glamours (and gear glamours, really) are a thing I wonder about. On the axis of gameplay-and-story segregation (curse you TVTropes!) I'm of the opinion they're a closer to "this is a thing in a video game." We typically see leves requiring you to dispel glamours focused on killing voidsent, and their magic isn't exactly free to use for most people. Similarly, sylphs are in a class of their own.

Gigas are a new one to me. I didn't realize they were in those glamour leves as well, but they're also the descendants of the Allag (according to some pretty well-reasoned rumors). If they know how to hide themselves, they're certainly not sharing that with the races they wish to destroy.

Now, we also have glamour/dispelling brought up in main story stuff. To wit, you're using the same sort of vanishing powders during the end of the Hildebrand storyline and at the very end of 2.55 there's mention of using glamour to hide the appearance of an entire building. The challenges with that is obviously that Hildebrand scenarios are increeeedibly difficult to take with any real modicum of seriousness and that hiding a building isn't the same as completely faking your appearance and being able to act.

Might full-body glamour exist? Sure. The only real constant we've been given is that as soon as fighting happens (or, to borrow the Dungeons and Dragons form - "complex" actions) your glamour wears off. As always, that's not going to stop anyone from using it anyway. There's no real "permission" in the lore for it and there's no real condemnation for it either. Go with whatever makes the story most interesting.

Parvacake · **04-15-2015, 06:32 PM**

Agreeing with Warren above myself as well as to add that even if one doesn't use 'glamours' that illusionary magic is used in grand scales even for things not humanoid like.

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Paradox · **04-18-2015, 04:51 PM**

I'm of a mind to believe that if we have the ability to rain death and chaos from the sky and summon tiny fragments of elemental gods to serve our whims in battle, that creating an illusion around our bodies with various magicks or magicked items isn't such a farfetched idea. There is some lore, however vague that supports it as has been said. And interestingly enough, even mundane(!) professions can create a crystal with a prism and a little bit of whatever component that changes one armor visually into another. This leaves me with an interesting question. Mechanically speaking, you can re-dye glamoured armor if the appearance is dyeable. As Warren wonders, I also have to wonder in an RP sense, when said armor takes damage, does it appear as if the battle damage, smudging, or similar effects appear on the glamoured appearance of the armor, or does it temporarily dissipate when in battle or when it is affected? The bottom line is not whether glamours for the body exist, as several magicks can be used to facilitate this.

The real bottom line is, just how many senses do these little tricks of light and magic effect? I think primarily the ones most people prefer to use affect the senses of sight and touch. Then again, by its own nature, a glamour is not a transformation. Even if a glamour can hide say...ears, the ears will still be there, unless the illusion has a phantasmal effect that affects the mind as well, and convinces someone that the ears are not there, even if you were to touch where they were. And that's just more complex magic. So is a transfiguration a transformation proper? Or does it just hide certain features akin to a polymorph or alter self spell? Another consideration; what school of magic does it fall under, exactly? Do all magic schools have some manner of illusionary sorcery? Or is it limited to more flexible magic schools like Arcanima, whose only real limit is its formulae?

The mind spins with so many possibilities.

Aduu Avagnar · **04-18-2015, 05:23 PM**

Nako has the ability to glamour himself, but its derived from a mask similar to the one from the Hildibrand quests. That being said, he doesn't do it unless the job requires it.

Siha · **04-18-2015, 06:10 PM**

I've been toying with the idea of of glamour 'charms' so to speak, not sure if it's fully formed but the idea comes from the concept of the glamour prisms. You just don't get rid of them or...break them, whatever it is that happens to them when they're used! I think full body glamours are completely feasible at this point, with everything we've seen thus far they're definitely present and there have been cases obviously of Hyurian (?) races using them. I would think like others though it would be hard to maintain them when doing certain things, I don't think they'd hold up to anything like fighting or anything that generally saps aetheric energies.

That's just my own two cents of course. I don't think they're uncommon at this point though. ^^

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