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Kage · **11-15-2014, 04:55 PM**

Actually, whales have mammary glands xD

Amelia · **11-15-2014, 04:58 PM**

(11-15-2014, 04:36 PM)Mae Wrote: I brought up Garuda because of an earlier statement of "If that were the case, female characters wouldn't haveÂ breastsÂ at all. Â Breasts exist solely for the purpose of producing milk for babies"Â that was echo'd a few times. We're a species that's hard-wired to equal breasts with femininity, regardless if something is a mammal or not. Â I know Garuda's an asexual being, I was trying to point out the flawed logic of "breasts = mammal" in a fantasy setting, not trying to insinuate that Garuda -was- a mammal.

If Devs weren't appealing to our human-mammalian sensibilities first, Garuda's appearance would have been designed to be appealing to her Beastmen and that likely would've resulted in something MUCH more Ixal-like.

I always thought Garuda was based off of the mytholocal creature- the Harpy. And I think those creatures WERE female.

Though I understand in FFXIV lore they'd asexual.

Mae · **11-15-2014, 04:58 PM**

(11-15-2014, 04:49 PM)Ilwe Wrote:
(11-15-2014, 04:36 PM)Mae Wrote: I brought up Garuda because of an earlier statement of "If that were the case, female characters wouldn't haveÂ breastsÂ at all. Â Breasts exist solely for the purpose of producing milk for babies"Â that was echo'd a few times. We're a species that's hard-wired to equal breasts with femininity, regardless if something is a mammal or not. Â I know Garuda's an asexual being, I was trying to point out the flawed logic of "breasts = mammal" in a fantasy setting, not trying to insinuate that Garuda -was- a mammal.

And what about whales ? They are mammals and don't have breasts.. Unless..

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WTF happened to the brain of those people ._. ???

Whales technically have breasts. BUT, just to cover myself, I'll amend:

In fantasy/sci-fi settings, the appearance of breasts don't always equal a mammalian species.

Also, that picture is horrifying. I need eye bleach.

Mae · **11-15-2014, 05:02 PM**

(11-15-2014, 04:58 PM)Amelia Wrote:
(11-15-2014, 04:36 PM)Mae Wrote: I brought up Garuda because of an earlier statement of "If that were the case, female characters wouldn't haveÂ breastsÂ at all. Â Breasts exist solely for the purpose of producing milk for babies"Â that was echo'd a few times. We're a species that's hard-wired to equal breasts with femininity, regardless if something is a mammal or not. Â I know Garuda's an asexual being, I was trying to point out the flawed logic of "breasts = mammal" in a fantasy setting, not trying to insinuate that Garuda -was- a mammal.

If Devs weren't appealing to our human-mammalian sensibilities first, Garuda's appearance would have been designed to be appealing to her Beastmen and that likely would've resulted in something MUCH more Ixal-like.

I always thought Garuda was based off of the mytholocal creature- the Harpy. And I think those creatures WERE female.

Though I understand in FFXIV lore they'd asexual.

Harpys were female, yup. Depending on the version, they were humanoid females with bird-like features to birds with human female features. I just watched "The Last Unicorn" last night, and the version of Harpy they had there was a bird with three breasts.

Ilwe'ran · **11-15-2014, 07:22 PM**

(11-15-2014, 04:58 PM)Mae Wrote:
(11-15-2014, 04:49 PM)Ilwe Wrote:
(11-15-2014, 04:36 PM)Mae Wrote: I brought up Garuda because of an earlier statement of "If that were the case, female characters wouldn't haveÂ breastsÂ at all. Â Breasts exist solely for the purpose of producing milk for babies"Â that was echo'd a few times. We're a species that's hard-wired to equal breasts with femininity, regardless if something is a mammal or not. Â I know Garuda's an asexual being, I was trying to point out the flawed logic of "breasts = mammal" in a fantasy setting, not trying to insinuate that Garuda -was- a mammal.

And what about whales ? They are mammals and don't have breasts.. Unless..

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WTF happened to the brain of those people ._. ???
Whales technically have breasts. BUT, just to cover myself, I'll amend:

In fantasy/sci-fi settings, the appearance of breasts don't always equal a mammalian species.

Also, that picture is horrifying. I need eye bleach.

Yeah I get it, was just.. Trying to find a reason to post that awkward picture.. Don't.. DON'T JUDGE ME OK !? Laugh

I found a picture of a whale with boobs as well. People are weird.

(11-15-2014, 04:55 PM)Kage Wrote: Actually, whales have mammary glands xD

Yup, but we were talking about visible breasts.. And nipples Smile

LiadansWhisper · **11-20-2014, 03:30 AM**

(11-15-2014, 04:36 PM)Mae Wrote: I brought up Garuda because of an earlier statement of "If that were the case, female characters wouldn't haveÂ breastsÂ at all. Â Breasts exist solely for the purpose of producing milk for babies"Â that was echo'd a few times. We're a species that's hard-wired to equal breasts with femininity, regardless if something is a mammal or not. Â I know Garuda's an asexual being, I was trying to point out the flawed logic of "breasts = mammal" in a fantasy setting, not trying to insinuate that Garuda -was- a mammal.

If Devs weren't appealing to our human-mammalian sensibilities first, Garuda's appearance would have been designed to be appealing to her Beastmen and that likely would've resulted in something MUCH more Ixal-like.

I think that trying to equate what are essentially living gods (more or less) to the mortals that populate the world is a bit off. Â Primals exist outside of the evolutionary question of why someone would have breasts because, well, they're not mortal and they don't - so far as we know - evolve (being coalesced aether and whatnot).

But when you combine the presence of both breasts and belly buttons, as well as the fact that we're never - not once - given any reason to believe that Hyur are anything more than Eorzea's version of "Human" (and since, according to the devs, all the other playable races are also the same species as the Hyur, making them all essentially "Eorzea's version of Human," too), there's no reason whatsoever to believe that Hyur would have breasts for any reason other than because they have mammary glands.

Which makes them mammals.

(11-15-2014, 04:49 PM)Ilwe Wrote:
(11-15-2014, 04:36 PM)Mae Wrote: I brought up Garuda because of an earlier statement of "If that were the case, female characters wouldn't haveÂ breastsÂ at all. Â Breasts exist solely for the purpose of producing milk for babies"Â that was echo'd a few times. We're a species that's hard-wired to equal breasts with femininity, regardless if something is a mammal or not. Â I know Garuda's an asexual being, I was trying to point out the flawed logic of "breasts = mammal" in a fantasy setting, not trying to insinuate that Garuda -was- a mammal.

And what about whales ? They are mammals and don't have breasts.. Unless..

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WTF happened to the brain of those people ._. ???

Whales do not have breasts as we know them (though you could argue that neither do cows, dogs, or many other mammal species), but they do Â have mammary glands, and they do nurse their young.

Dasair · **11-20-2014, 12:50 PM**

(11-15-2014, 04:58 PM)Amelia Wrote:
(11-15-2014, 04:36 PM)Mae Wrote: I brought up Garuda because of an earlier statement of "If that were the case, female characters wouldn't haveÂ breastsÂ at all. Â Breasts exist solely for the purpose of producing milk for babies"Â that was echo'd a few times. We're a species that's hard-wired to equal breasts with femininity, regardless if something is a mammal or not. Â I know Garuda's an asexual being, I was trying to point out the flawed logic of "breasts = mammal" in a fantasy setting, not trying to insinuate that Garuda -was- a mammal.

If Devs weren't appealing to our human-mammalian sensibilities first, Garuda's appearance would have been designed to be appealing to her Beastmen and that likely would've resulted in something MUCH more Ixal-like.

I always thought Garuda was based off of the mytholocal creature- the Harpy. And I think those creatures WERE female.

Though I understand in FFXIV lore they'd asexual.

I'm just going to sneak in here and mention something, since I saw this quest a ton of times, and while it doesn't directly apply, it might be some shred of.. something to potentially support the possibility that Garuda embodies an Ixal ideal of sorts.

Even though the Mamool'ja aren't the Ixal, there is a particular FATE around Bronze Lake where a Mamool'ja seeks to get into the springs, but is essentially denied for unruly behavior and oogling women in the past. Â It's not entirely clear if the offender actually did these things, or if it's just prejudice, but supposing it was to be considered true, it's actually possible that some of the beast tribes (or at least Mamool'ja) could find a more human-esque female form appealing. Â

If the Ixal are in the same camp that could explain it. Â But it also might not be anything either, since the Mamool'ja and the Ixal are entirely different. Â I just always thought it was interesting that a member of one of the beast tribes would potentially find the more humanoid races appealing. Â (Though I also agree with the harpy thing, considering Garuda's fury almost all of the time, and how SE likes to grab things from mythology. Â The harpy equation might be missed otherwise, if they felt it was important, unless stated.)

That said, I'd honestly think it'd be great if Garuda were some sort of entirely non-humanoid kind of creature and/or more like an Ixal in design, yet still have it be considered female if they wanted that aspect, instead of potentially doing the whole 'you can tell it's female because breasts' thing. Â Because, gods, we have enough of the whole ' it's a different race, they have entirely nothing to do with humans, but look, the ladies have boobs' stuff to last forever.

Ilwe'ran · **11-20-2014, 01:19 PM**

(11-20-2014, 03:30 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(11-15-2014, 04:36 PM)Mae Wrote: I brought up Garuda because of an earlier statement of "If that were the case, female characters wouldn't haveÂ breastsÂ at all. Â Breasts exist solely for the purpose of producing milk for babies"Â that was echo'd a few times. We're a species that's hard-wired to equal breasts with femininity, regardless if something is a mammal or not. Â I know Garuda's an asexual being, I was trying to point out the flawed logic of "breasts = mammal" in a fantasy setting, not trying to insinuate that Garuda -was- a mammal.

If Devs weren't appealing to our human-mammalian sensibilities first, Garuda's appearance would have been designed to be appealing to her Beastmen and that likely would've resulted in something MUCH more Ixal-like.

I think that trying to equate what are essentially living gods (more or less) to the mortals that populate the world is a bit off. Â Primals exist outside of the evolutionary question of why someone would have breasts because, well, they're not mortal and they don't - so far as we know - evolve (being coalesced aether and whatnot).

But when you combine the presence of both breasts and belly buttons, as well as the fact that we're never - not once - given any reason to believe that Hyur are anything more than Eorzea's version of "Human" (and since, according to the devs, all the other playable races are also the same species as the Hyur, making them all essentially "Eorzea's version of Human," too), there's no reason whatsoever to believe that Hyur would have breasts for any reason other than because they have mammary glands.

Which makes them mammals.

(11-15-2014, 04:49 PM)Ilwe Wrote:
(11-15-2014, 04:36 PM)Mae Wrote: I brought up Garuda because of an earlier statement of "If that were the case, female characters wouldn't haveÂ breastsÂ at all. Â Breasts exist solely for the purpose of producing milk for babies"Â that was echo'd a few times. We're a species that's hard-wired to equal breasts with femininity, regardless if something is a mammal or not. Â I know Garuda's an asexual being, I was trying to point out the flawed logic of "breasts = mammal" in a fantasy setting, not trying to insinuate that Garuda -was- a mammal.

And what about whales ? They are mammals and don't have breasts.. Unless..

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WTF happened to the brain of those people ._. ???

Whales do not have breasts as we know them (though you could argue that neither do cows, dogs, or many other mammal species), but they do Â have mammary glands, and they do nurse their young.

Was joking, hence my message after which is right before yours Smile

Shizuka · **11-20-2014, 02:10 PM**

I think on top of the NPC instance I mentioned earlier, someone also brought up the Sahagin mentioning that we don't lay eggs. The quote in question comes from Novv during The Scarlet Bloodletter quest and is as follows:

Quote:I imagine a warrior of your ssstature would have much to impart to your hatchlings. Ah, but you shhhorewalkers do not lay eggs, correct?

Which seems pretty definitive on how our characters reproduce.

Kage · **11-20-2014, 02:11 PM**

well... somehow we're all xenomorphs and don't die when our chests burst. *nod* ??

Gegenji · **11-20-2014, 02:13 PM**

We obviously reproduce by budding.

Kage · **11-20-2014, 02:18 PM**

[Image: 2014-08-26-minion-army-03.jpg?w=535&h=412]

Caption reads: And the female lalafell named Chachapu Chapu sprouted from the garden happily on her nameday.

Gegenji · **11-20-2014, 02:19 PM**

The scarecrow was most pleased.

Chlodomer · **11-20-2014, 02:34 PM**

(11-20-2014, 01:19 PM)Ilweran Wrote: Was joking, hence my message after which is right before yours

She doesn't doubt it I'm sure, but with what goes on in this thread it's honestly hard to tell what is a joke and what isn't.

Zyrusticae · **11-20-2014, 02:47 PM**

The whole thing with non-mammalian mammaries really ticks me off.

I mean, you're not even trying at that point. It's completely lazy to the point of being insulting. If you're gonna do non-human races at all you better do it right! (Hence why I love Iksar and Asura so much more than I do, say, Argonians...)

It's also kind of dumb when they assume a universal standard of beauty. Granted, furries are a thing and bestiality exists and is practiced (shockingly enough, 1/50 human beings harbors this as a fantasy), but they're looked down upon for reasons, some good, some not so good. At any rate I am 100% certain that a reptilian or avian creature would not find soft, squishy pale-skinned meatbags to be attractive at all and that any who do would be considered extreme deviants and probably socially ostracized.

But okay. It's fantasy. Whatever. Do your thing, devs.

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Any mention of pregnancy or birthgiving in-game? Are we even sure we are mammals?

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