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Parvacake · **12-15-2014, 08:47 PM**

(12-15-2014, 08:07 PM)C Wrote: You, my friend, have to pay full-price for my RP, then.

It'll eventually benefit Tylwyth Narah, when we move into our large house...

I've already challenged Kenthy that if and when you guys move into a large if she can make it not look so empty like some of the other mansions. #challengeaccepted

ArmachiA · **12-15-2014, 10:07 PM**

If they;d give us more than 200 slots maybe the mansions wouldn't look so empty *grumbles forever*

Kage · **12-15-2014, 10:26 PM**

(12-15-2014, 10:07 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: If they;d give us more than 200 slots maybe the mansions wouldn't look so empty *grumbles forever*

... I need a house decorator ; ;

Ilwe'ran · **12-15-2014, 10:28 PM**

(12-15-2014, 06:22 PM)Ckayah Polaali Wrote: See, now that actually makes no sense whatsoever. SE's housing system is their thing, and we don't have a lot of direct control over it. The practice of RPC members charging other RPC members to let them be there when they relinquish their house is a thing. It's our thing.

You can't look at it and say it simply is, as if we had nothing to do with it. It's part of our culture as RPC members. Part of our identity now. It's our thing because we choose to make it so.

I disagree completely. Wanting to impose your point of view to others for of a reason or another is a really bad thing that would only end to cause problem and to divide the really small community we are. How that ? Well, I'll just show you what would happen if we were to adopt the "As we are on RPC, we have to not sell our plot to other RPC members" rule.

This decision will be taken but not everybody will agree -> First division of the RP community.
Some would sell their plots without telling to others or without even knowing such a rule exist -> Those people will be considered as pariah and probably rejected by a part of the community.
It will be seen as an offence to not offer the plot for free at the community -> Rejection / Pariah.
Some people will probably begin to play the police, denouncing those selling their plots for gils.
The pariah will be probably known as "the one who sold his plot" which will limitate their possibilities to integrate the community.

There is absolutly no reason at all to set anything as a rule. A rule like this is extremely toxic as it imposes some behaviors / point of view and will, in any case, divide the population.

Fortunatly, you are free to do what you want with your belongings and it's not because it's made out of pixels that it should suddenly not having any value. As I said before, I disagree with those using the other people to make money out of them. I think it's normal to deal with the system as it and to sell your plot whole or a part of what you paid and I think it's not normal to introduce a rule which will divide the community between the good people who give their plot and the bad ones who sell it. 'Cause, lets be serious a minute, it's not because you sell your plot that you're a despicable person.

C'kayah Polaali · **12-16-2014, 12:42 AM**

My apologies for causing rancor. Please go back to your regular discussions.

Kage · **12-16-2014, 01:43 AM**

(12-16-2014, 12:42 AM)C Wrote: I've stated quite a few times that I don't think anyone is a despicable person for wanting to sell access to buy their plots, nor am I suggesting that we have to choose a unified front here, or agree to rules. I do find it interesting how vehement some of the arguments are, though. That's telling.
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But, like I said before, I'm not interested in rules, or in forcing my views on anyone else. I was merely concerned about what I saw as an unfortunate thing, and wondered if this is something that we should all accept. It appears my question has been answered in the affirmative: This is a thing now.

But you are doing almost exactly that, if even it is the act. You have made the judgment that the act is wrong when in fact it is what it is. There is no right or wrong to this situation.

The only wrong that can be extrapolated is when someone full on asks for 7-10mil for a small plot. I saw someone selling a small plot in the Mist just today for 7.5mil. My reaction was to scoff because the very idea of someone actually purchasing a plot for that price is absurd. No one here is saying that anyone will be paying the seller more than the original's plot worth. The seller is not purely benefiting from it.

You may not be outright stating that you're not judging anyone but you're definitely judging their actions. But yes you are right, no one else really thinks it's a bad thing. People who have done generous things will still continue to do generous things. That is a thing and always has been. Just because they do not does not mean their actions are wrong or bad. Or even anything to make a thread about.

I mean I bought an FC and then sold it and the plot. What did I sell it for? 2mil. If i sold my current house I'd probably sell it for the lowest the plots devalue to. Will I give it up for free? Depends. On many factors. Is it easy for an FC of X amount of people to make more gil than a single person? Depends on many factors but it's usually a "yes". So do I think that it's easier for an FC to just eat the costs as an act of generosity for fellow RP FCs? Definitely. Do I expect individuals to act the same? I think it's a boon if so. Do I have a judgment on any other action of the sale? The only judgment I have is when you sell a small plot for 7mil+ and a person still needs to buy the plot. But if a person is desperate or in my mind insane enough to do so, that is on them.

C'kayah Polaali · **12-16-2014, 02:03 AM**

My apologies for causing rancor. Please go back to your regular discussions.

Warren Castille · **12-16-2014, 10:39 AM**

(12-16-2014, 02:03 AM)Ckayah Polaali Wrote: I'm judging the culture we've developed here. I'm not judging any individual.

Well, let's be honest. I'm not judging any individual publicly. We all judge people privately.

I'm not sure it's accurate to say "our" or "we" or "us" when people have been selling FCs and houses since they were a thing. PF sees "Selling rank 8 FC w/ house" regularly enough that it's not entirely fair to call it an RPC thing.

Edit: I found a reddit link trying to sell a house in February. When did housing come out again...?

Here's another reddit thread discussing how to sell houses from five months ago.

C'kayah Polaali · **12-16-2014, 11:24 AM**

My apologies for causing rancor. Please go back to your regular discussions.

Warren Castille · **12-16-2014, 11:31 AM**

I'm not sure if it's just me or what, but there's a definite tone in your language and phrasing that makes it feel pretty clear you're thumbing your nose at anyone considering this to be acceptable. My bringing up Reddit IS curious, if only because I don't care at all for the website iota one and googling "selling a house ffxiv" brought up those pages in about 0.000001 seconds.

You keep trying to make this about the RPC. It isn't about the RPC.

Kage · **12-16-2014, 11:34 AM**

From the tone and language, it's clear that what he wants and expects us to say is that RPC members should only ever relinquish the land [personal plots] for free especially for a fellow RPC member.

Otherwise, it's part of a bad culture.

Gegenji · **12-16-2014, 11:37 AM**

All I can say is I hope that SE implements a way for an owner to directly sell their house to someone or get some sort of recoup for relinquishing their hold on the plot. I'm bad enough at getting cash monies in MMOs as it is, and having to save up for effectively twice the value or more is quite daunting for me. I just want a place I can decorate and make my own (or Chachan's own, in this case).

... Maybe I can find a nice going rate on a cardboard box in Pearl Lane. Sad

(Or finally get the kid in a FC so he can have his own room and decorate that.)

Kage · **12-16-2014, 11:40 AM**

(12-16-2014, 11:37 AM)Gegenji Wrote: All I can say is I hope that SE implements a way for an owner to directly sell their house to someone or get some sort of recoup for relinquishing their hold on the plot. I'm bad enough at getting cash monies in MMOs as it is, and having to save up for effectively twice the value or more is quite daunting for me. I just want a place I can decorate and make my own (or Chachan's own, in this case).

... Maybe I can find a nice going rate on a cardboard box in Pearl Lane.

(Or finally get the kid in a FC so he can have his own room and decorate that.)

I don't know if you want the whole house deal, but the personal rooms are 300k iirc which you may get by joining an FC with your Balmung friends!!

Otherwise, I'm sorry I don't have a small plot for you T_T

Warren Castille · **12-16-2014, 11:40 AM**

(12-16-2014, 11:34 AM)Kage Wrote: From the tone and language, it's clear that what he wants and expects us to say is that RPC members should only ever relinquish the land [personal plots] for free especially for a fellow RPC member.

Otherwise, it's part of a bad culture.

Then he should just own his opinion and state it. This pussyfooting double-think culture nonsense is transparent and hostile.

Gegenji · **12-16-2014, 11:45 AM**

(12-16-2014, 11:40 AM)Kage Wrote:
(12-16-2014, 11:37 AM)Gegenji Wrote: All I can say is I hope that SE implements a way for an owner to directly sell their house to someone or get some sort of recoup for relinquishing their hold on the plot. I'm bad enough at getting cash monies in MMOs as it is, and having to save up for effectively twice the value or more is quite daunting for me. I just want a place I can decorate and make my own (or Chachan's own, in this case).

... Maybe I can find a nice going rate on a cardboard box in Pearl Lane.

(Or finally get the kid in a FC so he can have his own room and decorate that.)
I don't know if you want the whole house deal, but the personal rooms are 300k iirc which you may get by joining an FC with your Balmung friends!!

Otherwise, I'm sorry I don't have a small plot for you T_T

Haha, yeah, I'll probably end up trying to join Coral (with all the cool kids like his best buddy Ms. Hat) and get myself a personal room. Then I'll spend even less time actually leveling the characters and doing more dress-up and room decorating.

I don't know what I'd do with a full house, really.

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