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Kage · **03-31-2015, 01:10 PM**

As I said, the knowledge isn't the thing that really gets me but if anyone truly acts on it in public. Welp. >.>

Though this isn't discussion for the roleplay aspects.

This seems like a good copout to not have to destroy a lot of the old stuff (CUL quests) that involve Nanamo in side quests. keeping it on the down low to avoid civil unrest makes sense.

The greater threat is Dragons I guess? I'm not sure I'm particularly happy with that. For the WoL, I can see this as the end of an era (the stuff with the Crystal Braves, Nanamo, AND THE DRAGONS), but for the rest of the political world it's just dragons.

Unless Merylwb and Kan-E-senna know too.

Kage · **03-31-2015, 01:13 PM**

(03-31-2015, 01:08 PM)Gegenji Wrote: So, do the Sultansworn know about the situation, or are they being kept in the dark just as much as the rest considering Jenlyn's new dialogue? At the very least, I would assume that folks like Papashan would be in the know.

I'm guessing in the dark. The monetarists do have a hold in the Sworn and with Raubahn imprisoned (I'm guessing a certain evil alalfell's death) and Papashan not in the light from the dialogue... well they have an easier time getting a foothold. The Flames truly do look like they will come out better.

I think Raubahn's adopted lalafell son is still in the Flames? or so?

ProvaDiServo · **03-31-2015, 01:17 PM**

(03-31-2015, 12:25 PM)Kage Wrote: According to peoples' posts, someone in the Scions ports to the Ascians when summoned. Unknown (people won't say or it's not revealed yet) if like Thancred or if truly on their side.

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Coatleque · **03-31-2015, 01:27 PM**

(03-31-2015, 01:08 PM)Gegenji Wrote: So, do the Sultansworn know about the situation, or are they being kept in the dark just as much as the rest considering Jenlyn's new dialogue? At the very least, I would assume that folks like Papashan would be in the know.

Either way, it's not as if the Sultansworn have not gone through a power shift before. Rulers have been displaced in the past. Of course there will be upheaval among the officers, but at the end of the day there is a new boss.

My beef with Square Enix is that these supposed elite royal guards seem to be completely worthless at their jobs.

Kage · **03-31-2015, 01:52 PM**

Well yeah I was going to make it not completely a spoiler but yeah. I hear it's more of "why the fuck you bring me here" type of reaction but I don't know yet.

OH OH OH

So.

One of Raubahn's swords! Anyone else think perhaps Raubahn may go way of DRK now with the loss of his arm? That cursed sword or so. The fact that they found inspiration for FFXIV's DRK from Berserk is amusing. >.>;

mongi291 · **03-31-2015, 01:58 PM**

With only one arm he's more of a shieldless Gladiator.

Kismet · **03-31-2015, 02:14 PM**

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ProvaDiServo · **03-31-2015, 02:24 PM**

(03-31-2015, 01:52 PM)Kage Wrote: Well yeah I was going to make it not completely a spoiler but yeah. I hear it's more of "why the fuck you bring me here" type of reaction but I don't know yet.

OH OH OH

So.

One of Raubahn's swords! Anyone else think perhaps Raubahn may go way of DRK now with the loss of his arm? That cursed sword or so. The fact that they found inspiration for FFXIV's DRK from Berserk is amusing. >.>;

Plausible but he has to get out the cage first

Also inb4 Y'shtola's super attack launches her tnto the events of dissidia

Zyrusticae · **03-31-2015, 02:38 PM**

Theorycrafting time, courtesy of this post on Reddit:

Quote:My theory is... nobody important died. That includes all the scions, and even Nanamo.

Nanamo was tipped off to the plot by Alianne or Momodil. She somehow either had the antidote handy, or swapped out the goblet's contents when the handmaiden left to summon you.

Why would she do this? This was the only way she could make Lolorito/Teledji's plots come to light and swing the balance of the city away from the Merchant class. You can't just make a equal society by saying "everyone is equal" you have to even it out, how better to even it out than have them exposed as traitors.

Reasoning for this thought? Other than the fact that they can't kill off Nanamo without her having at least 1 heroic moment (plot armor). Nobody checks to see if she is dead in the cutscene, also they don't show the body, even when they could have shown it to Raubahn to inflict more wounds. Not only that Ilberd says he saw the body... when he's clearly paid off. I'm pretty sure she escaped through her fireplace (that they made sure to point out at a later point in the cutscenes was in her chambers). As to where she is now... she is either being protected by Pipin or is actually hiding in plain site as Pipin in a Zelda/Shiek way.

As for the scions... once again they never showed the bodies. Minfilia being told something by Crystal Lady pretty much shows nobody is dying. She had no reason to turn around and run back towards the rubble of the cave-in.

Also the only real loss... is Raubahn's arm... which happens to be the achievement name. (And where Nanamo sits).

I personally consider her not dead and possibly in hiding until I see an actual body. This is more of an end-of-season cliffhanger than anything else.

It certainly would be a nice change of pace to see Nanamo actually outsmarting her enemies for once.

Cato · **03-31-2015, 02:48 PM**

I think it'd be a little dull if nobody major died. A dose of tragedy keeps things fresh and the developers did promise that Heavensward would be the darkest point in the story yet.

Gegenji · **03-31-2015, 02:55 PM**

(03-31-2015, 02:48 PM)Graeham Ridgefield Wrote: I think it'd be a little dull if nobody major died. A dose of tragedy keeps things fresh and the developers did promise that Heavensward would be the darkest point in the story yet.

Well, we're technically not in Heavensward YET, so the dark points may still be yet to come. Still, it's all theory until some actual information comes through either the game or from the devs themselves. I haven't gotten to see the cutscenes yet to compare to the Reddit idea, but I do kinda like the idea of Nanamo finally pulling a fast one on the Monetarists rather than the other way around.

OverlordOutpost · **03-31-2015, 03:00 PM**

(03-31-2015, 02:38 PM)Zyrusticae Wrote: Theorycrafting time, courtesy of this post on Reddit:

Quote:My theory is... nobody important died. That includes all the scions, and even Nanamo.

Nanamo was tipped off to the plot by Alianne or Momodil. She somehow either had the antidote handy, or swapped out the goblet's contents when the handmaiden left to summon you.

Why would she do this? This was the only way she could make Lolorito/Teledji's plots come to light and swing the balance of the city away from the Merchant class. You can't just make a equal society by saying "everyone is equal" you have to even it out, how better to even it out than have them exposed as traitors.

Reasoning for this thought? Other than the fact that they can't kill off Nanamo without her having at least 1 heroic moment (plot armor). Nobody checks to see if she is dead in the cutscene, also they don't show the body, even when they could have shown it to Raubahn to inflict more wounds. Not only that Ilberd says he saw the body... when he's clearly paid off. I'm pretty sure she escaped through her fireplace (that they made sure to point out at a later point in the cutscenes was in her chambers). As to where she is now... she is either being protected by Pipin or is actually hiding in plain site as Pipin in a Zelda/Shiek way.

As for the scions... once again they never showed the bodies. Minfilia being told something by Crystal Lady pretty much shows nobody is dying. She had no reason to turn around and run back towards the rubble of the cave-in.

Also the only real loss... is Raubahn's arm... which happens to be the achievement name. (And where Nanamo sits).
I personally consider her not dead and possibly in hiding until I see an actual body. This is more of an end-of-season cliffhanger than anything else.

It certainly would be a nice change of pace to see Nanamo actually outsmarting her enemies for once.

The only problem with that, is that the amount of huge, far-reaching consequences caused by such fakery would be almost an unforgivable crime for Nanamo herself.

The chain of events practically wiped out the Scions, almost killed Rauhbhan, killed Syndicate members, and countless others just involved.

"Sorry all your friends are dead... but at least equality is a bit closer in Ul'dah now!"

- The other thing is we literally saw her die. That's a righteous amount of acting, and if it was all a fake I'd want to kill her myself afterwards for all the death it caused.

ChewableMorphine · **03-31-2015, 03:04 PM**

(03-31-2015, 01:27 PM)Coatleque Wrote:
(03-31-2015, 01:08 PM)Gegenji Wrote: So, do the Sultansworn know about the situation, or are they being kept in the dark just as much as the rest considering Jenlyn's new dialogue? At the very least, I would assume that folks like Papashan would be in the know.

Either way, it's not as if the Sultansworn have not gone through a power shift before. Â Rulers have been displaced in the past. Â Of course there will be upheaval among the officers, but at the end of the day there is a new boss.

My beef with Square Enix is that these supposed elite royal guards seem to be completely worthless at their jobs.

Flynt's gonna have a field day with you guys.

Wymsical · **03-31-2015, 03:08 PM**

In regards to the WoL's lack of uh... action throughout these events, I must say that's one of the biggest failings of the MSQ. They're trying so hard to make the WoL apply to every player that they're actually unable to really do much of anything. It's gotten to the point where the WoL really does seem like an air-headed dunce who just goes to murder wherever they're pointed at that particular moment. It's frustrating enough that I actually tend to speed through any dialogue about the WoL in particular and just watch for all the various bits of world lore instead.

... Also, I'm so disappointed that we don't seem to be getting a proper Au Ra introduction prior to Heavensward launch. This lack has me very curious what the actual race lore will be. Their arrival must not be a very dramatic occasion. In fairness, that does leave more possibilities open for RPers.

Clover · **03-31-2015, 03:13 PM**

Emotional reply ahead.

The main quest has killed me in many ways. As I told K'nahli, I feel that several of the friends I've made for the past year and a half are gone, and the world I've been living in is no more. It's an odd feeling.

And it's exactly because the story has hurt me that I find it very good. The best I've seen in an online game, in fact. SE did really well. Very, very well, even if they had to step on our feelings for that =A=;

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