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allgivenover · **04-17-2015, 08:33 AM**

Quote:Xaela, who bloody the land with their endless tribal conflict

FFFUUUU

Edit: I'm kidding, it fits one my better ideas so far. Woo.

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ArmachiA · **04-17-2015, 08:44 AM**

Xaela is probably what I'm going with, I like them too much. But I'm gonna be boring and say she's an Othard nomad - never venturing into Eorzea before. My fiance is rolling her oldest brother and he's going to be a Dark Knight - vigilante Batman justice seems right up his alley really, now we have to do lore bending so an Au Ra could be one...

Hopefully though they explain that so we don't have to, but it shouldn't be too difficult if we do.

Dogberry · **04-17-2015, 08:50 AM**

Dark Knight feels like it was made for me. Not Dogberry, although I'm sure I can work out how he becomes one. But... me.

I am so happy.

Gegenji · **04-17-2015, 08:52 AM**

(04-17-2015, 08:50 AM)Dogberry Wrote: Dark Knight feels like it was made for me. Not Dogberry, although I'm sure I can work out how he becomes one. But... me.

Kismet · **04-17-2015, 09:01 AM**

Ahhh, lore! Excitement! I'm actually pleased with all of the lore descriptions. MCH we pretty much already had a good idea of, AST makes sense for reasons stated by others earlier in the thread, and for DRK... I kind of like their 'darkness' is just their aesthetic/powers, and their motivations are something that's still noble. It means they actually bothered to keep the 'knight' part of Dark Knight genuine. All of the Batman references weren't just silly randomness! I can dig it.

Now, dat Au Ra lore drop... I am very, very conflicted. I have so many potential ideas for both! Urgh! Perhaps deciding will be easier when we hopefully see the benchmark in about a week or so. I hope the scales won't be color-locked. =/ (I always expect the worst, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were.)

Gegenji · **04-17-2015, 09:10 AM**

(04-17-2015, 09:01 AM)Kismet Wrote: and for DRK... I kind of like their 'darkness' is just their aesthetic/powers, and their motivations are something that's still noble. It means they actually bothered to keep the 'knight' part of Dark Knight genuine. All of the Batman references weren't just silly randomness! I can dig it.

I'm not entirely surprised. Dark Knights were never actually portrayed as "evil" or not noble as far as I can tell. Falgabard in FFIII was the land of the Dark/Magic Knights, and it was just a town of a dwindling population who mastered an art that brings great power at the cost of their lives - and was in front of a cave that had enemies that could only be harmed by their special skills (guardians, perhaps?). Cecil was a Dark Knight, and only did "evil" things in the collection of the Crystals - which was being ordered by a fake copy of the King (FFIV spoilers, I know...) - and was quick to turn on the matter once he learned the truth. There's no evidence that the Dark Knights of Baron did anything untoward before that point, and even Cecil mentions how the King was an honorable and just man (which is why he followed him in the first place... along with being a sort of "adopted son" if I recall).

They've never really been ignoble. It's just the power itself that can be dangerous. The only "evil" Dark Knight I can think of is Gaff/Goffard Gafgarion in Final Fantasy Tactics (though his class was changed in the War of the Lions re-release to Fell Knight as Dark Knight was added as a new Job) - and he was just a brutal mercenary who did what he was paid to do. Yet, you also had the rather good-aligned T.G. Cid using those same abilities amongst all the other sword skills.

I honestly don't get why people expected Dark Knight to be this evil-yet-not, grimdark antihero when the class was almost never presented that way in the games it appeared in.

Warren Castille · **04-17-2015, 09:17 AM**

(04-17-2015, 09:10 AM)Gegenji Wrote: I honestly don't get why people expected Dark Knight to be this evil-yet-not, grimdark antihero when the class was almost never presented that way in the games it appeared in.

People misremembering. Alternatively, people played FFXI.

Rosamund · **04-17-2015, 09:19 AM**

(04-17-2015, 06:56 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: Just gimme naming conventions.

PLEASE! It takes me ages to come up with a name so I'm going to need plenty of time before launch to ponder. Blush

Gegenji · **04-17-2015, 09:19 AM**

(04-17-2015, 09:17 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(04-17-2015, 09:10 AM)Gegenji Wrote: I honestly don't get why people expected Dark Knight to be this evil-yet-not, grimdark antihero when the class was almost never presented that way in the games it appeared in.

People misremembering. Alternatively, people played FFXI.

Did they change Dark Knight into some super grimdark thing there that I just don't remember? All I can recall of FFXI's Dark Knight is that you had to kill a bunch of enemies with a sword to unlock the class. Everything else I can find on them just reaffirms the whole "at a cost" thing that encapsulates Dark Knights as a whole. Sure, their attacks have "dark and edgy" names, but there's nothing I can find that would create that sort of opinion...

Maybe people just see the word "Dark" or "Darkness" and immediately think horrible things are afoot.

Warren Castille · **04-17-2015, 09:21 AM**

(04-17-2015, 09:19 AM)Gegenji Wrote:
(04-17-2015, 09:17 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(04-17-2015, 09:10 AM)Gegenji Wrote: I honestly don't get why people expected Dark Knight to be this evil-yet-not, grimdark antihero when the class was almost never presented that way in the games it appeared in.

People misremembering. Alternatively, people played FFXI.

Did they change Dark Knight into some super grimdark thing there that I just don't remember? All I can recall of FFXI's Dark Knight is that you had to kill a bunch of enemies with a sword to unlock the class.

One of the prominent Bastok NPCs was a classic case of Edgelord status. People took that as the default attitude. I liked Zeid, but... Yeah. He's a bit over the top.

Kismet · **04-17-2015, 09:30 AM**

(04-17-2015, 09:10 AM)Gegenji Wrote:
(04-17-2015, 09:01 AM)Kismet Wrote: and for DRK... I kind of like their 'darkness' is just their aesthetic/powers, and their motivations are something that's still noble. It means they actually bothered to keep the 'knight' part of Dark Knight genuine. All of the Batman references weren't just silly randomness! I can dig it.

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I'm aware of most of this. I can't speak for others, of course, but I personally never was under the assumption that DRK was any of those misconceptions. (Mainly because I actually bothered to educate myself on its history.) My comment was more or less me being glad they didn't differentiate from that path to meet some petty player expectation, or something.

Gegenji · **04-17-2015, 09:39 AM**

(04-17-2015, 09:30 AM)Kismet Wrote:
(04-17-2015, 09:10 AM)Gegenji Wrote:
(04-17-2015, 09:01 AM)Kismet Wrote: and for DRK... I kind of like their 'darkness' is just their aesthetic/powers, and their motivations are something that's still noble. It means they actually bothered to keep the 'knight' part of Dark Knight genuine. All of the Batman references weren't just silly randomness! I can dig it.

Snip

I'm aware of most of this. I can't speak for others, of course, but I personally never was under the assumption that DRK was any of those misconceptions. (Mainly because I actually bothered to educate myself on its history.) My comment was more or less me being glad they didn't differentiate from that path to meet some petty player expectation, or something.

Ah, that makes sense. Just worried SE'd do like what they did with the FF7 characters in all the spinoffs and such (controversial statement!). I can understand that.

Hopefully this will help remind folks that Zeid (Thank you for the clarification on that, by the way, Warren!) is not the end-all-be-all to how Dark Knights act. Of course, there's nothing keeping the player from playing their DRK like that, as such things are their prerogative and not for me to question... but there's just nothing saying that's how they "have" to be played.

I suppose that spreads to the Au Ra (and everything else as well) - there's nothing really keeping you from playing any of them how you want. Some will just "fit" the lore better, and you can always work around that with a little creative bending and explanation.

Warren Castille · **04-17-2015, 09:42 AM**

(04-17-2015, 09:39 AM)Gegenji Wrote: Ah, that makes sense. Just worried SE'd do like what they did with the FF7 characters in all the spinoffs and such (controversial statement!). I can understand that.

Hopefully this will help remind folks that Zeid (Thank you for the clarification on that, by the way, Warren!) is not the end-all-be-all to how Dark Knights act. Of course, there's nothing keeping the player from playing their DRK like that, as such things are their prerogative and not for me to question... but there's just nothing saying that's how they "have" to be played.

I suppose that spreads to the Au Ra (and everything else as well) - there's nothing really keeping you from playing any of them how you want. Some will just "fit" the lore better, and you can always work around that with a little creative bending and explanation.

He acted exactly as you'd expect for someone who looks like this.

[Image: Zeid_FFXI_Minagawa_Art.jpg]

Though, we should clarify. Dark Knight isn't Batman. Dark Knight is the Punisher.

Avalt Laguz · **04-17-2015, 09:47 AM**

(04-17-2015, 09:42 AM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(04-17-2015, 09:39 AM)Gegenji Wrote: Ah, that makes sense. Just worried SE'd do like what they did with the FF7 characters in all the spinoffs and such (controversial statement!). I can understand that.

Hopefully this will help remind folks that Zeid (Thank you for the clarification on that, by the way, Warren!) is not the end-all-be-all to how Dark Knights act. Of course, there's nothing keeping the player from playing their DRK like that, as such things are their prerogative and not for me to question... but there's just nothing saying that's how they "have" to be played.

I suppose that spreads to the Au Ra (and everything else as well) - there's nothing really keeping you from playing any of them how you want. Some will just "fit" the lore better, and you can always work around that with a little creative bending and explanation.

He acted exactly as you'd expect for someone who looks like this.

Though, we should clarify. Dark Knight isn't Batman. Dark Knight is the Punisher.

"May your next life be bathed in blessed light"
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Bryn · **04-17-2015, 09:54 AM**

(04-17-2015, 08:50 AM)Dogberry Wrote: Dark Knight feels like it was made for me. Not Dogberry, although I'm sure I can work out how he becomes one. But... me.

I am so happy.

ERMRRGERD DERG KNERT

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