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Shuck · **06-06-2015, 12:04 AM**

(06-05-2015, 11:56 PM)Verad Wrote: Well, since you asked, how do you plan on collecting this information? What would you consider to be the end goal of a lasting practical solution? Do you have any ideas as to what you would do for a longer-term plan beyond inviting players to roleplay with your FC?

You're looking at the method of collecting this information. Right now, this thread has eyes on it, and people are coming forward. I'm currently waiting on an earlier question to be answered, concerning what makes an individual feel "unwanted". From there, we're going to branch into another series of pretty non-invasive questions regarding their perception of where it is they are within a roleplaying community.

Over time, and with more specific information from people sharing their experiences, we can, at the very least, personally adopt behaviors that would run counter to this idea of secret cliques and circles of people. Then, we can add what it is that we've worked out, in detail, to the list of "here's how you fix it" suggestions, and see what takes. We will do this over, and over, and over again. In every single community we pop up in. Probably until we quit playing games all together.

Realistically, that's about the best anyone can hope for. If what we find works, others might adopt it, they might not. I don't control other people.

Verad · **06-06-2015, 12:10 AM**

(06-06-2015, 12:04 AM)Shuck Wrote: You're looking at the method of collecting this information. Right now, this thread has eyes on it, and people are coming forward. I'm currently waiting on an earlier question to be answered, concerning what makes an individual feel "unwanted". From there, we're going to branch into another series of pretty non-invasive questions regarding their perception of where it is they are within a roleplaying community.

Realistically, that's about the best anyone can hope for. If what we find works, others might adopt it, they might not. I don't control other people.

I certainly wouldn't expect this to be a full statistical survey given the nature of the project (that's not a strike against this), but how do you address the problem of a small sample size and the problem of self-reporting in public fora? I think that might be especially an issue here if people are hesitant to admit they've felt unwanted in open discussion where other people can see, so do you plan to have a private means for such players to come forward?

Shuck · **06-06-2015, 12:14 AM**

(06-06-2015, 12:10 AM)Verad Wrote: I certainly wouldn't expect this to be a full statistical survey given the nature of the project (that's not a strike against this), but how do you address the problem of a small sample size and the problem of self-reporting in public fora? I think that might be especially an issue here if people are hesitant to admit they've felt unwanted in open discussion where other people can see, so do you plan to have a private means for such players to come forward?

You basically don't. You work with what you've got. What we've got is this. A private means doesn't really lend itself to this as, well...PMs already exist on this platform, and you already have as much anonymity as the internet can provide.

Max · **06-06-2015, 01:08 AM**

Lol. This thread again.

My two cents on it's continuation:
If there's a need to discuss this 'issue', it would serve better to create a new thread instead of necro'ing this particular one IMHO. Mainly because the context of the OP isn't a good representation for this 'issue', nor does it seem relevant to whatever you guys are arguing about now.

Quoted for Emphasis:

(06-05-2015, 08:51 PM)Mae Wrote: This is the relationship that some of us who were there when this thread was originally posted had with the author. Someone who came to the community on a couple occasions asking for help, but either didn't put in much effort (look at the posting dates) or snubbed those who reached out. And then sort of turned around and blamed the community.

It's fine that people want to discuss that it's sometimes hard to break into RP. And it's fine that people want to offer advice to help others break into RP. It's just that those who are aware of the actual context of the OP would rather see this particular thread fall into obscurity and not be necro'd.Â

That's all.

Kellach Woods · **06-06-2015, 09:01 AM**

(06-05-2015, 10:38 PM)Shuck Wrote: This, however, is productive. Why. Why do you want to feel wanted? What makes you feel unwanted? Let's get uncomfortably specific here.

yes please let us ask deeply personal questions from strangers on the internets.

no i won't be answering that.

especially since the context was explained in the other line you omitted. people ain't been around is all.

Lilia Lia · **06-06-2015, 10:37 AM**

I'm sorry, but isn't it perfectly natural to want to feel wanted?

Kellach Woods · **06-06-2015, 10:39 AM**

sure

but then you go into the whys and the uncomfortably specific which is what he asked.

Lilia Lia · **06-06-2015, 10:43 AM**

(06-06-2015, 10:39 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: sure

but then you go into the whys and the uncomfortably specific which is what he asked.

Oh absolutely, I'm in your corner.Â I don't think you need to explain yourself at all.

Scorpio Shirica · **06-06-2015, 05:35 PM**

I feel wanted by my friends and family, maybe a gaming guild I've been in for awhile for Star Citizen, but I don't understand wanting to be desired by a huge body of isolated authors that may very rarely interact with me. These sorts of communities seem to be resources, gateways, etc. to find more intimate communities with which to feel wanted. Maybe the linkshells or Free Companies may provide what you are looking for, but I find it difficult to understand wanting to be validated by so many people on a community site such as this.Â

Nothing against the wonderful people that populate this site, but there's far too many for me to think of personally investing in everyone here.

Orlog · **06-06-2015, 06:43 PM**

(06-06-2015, 05:35 PM)Scorpio Shirica Wrote: I don't understand wanting to be desired by a huge body of isolated authors that may very rarely interact with me. These sorts of communities seem to be resources, gateways, etc. to find more intimate communities with which to feel wanted. Maybe the linkshells or Free Companies may provide what you are looking for, but I find it difficult to understand wanting to be validated by so many people on a community site such as this.Â

I can pretty much mirror this mentality. I think this place is great for trying to get yourself out there and finding something that specifically meets your needs/wants as an RPer, but the desire to be wanted by ...everyone on this huge community is not only bizarre, but literally unobtainable.

There are SO many people on this site and active in game. You're not going to get along with everyone. Not everyone is going to like you. There's no way of forcing friendship through just being nice or agreeable.

The best that you can hope for is just continuing to do what you enjoy, put yourself out there and hope that you manage to stumble across people that are up your alley, instead of trying to cater to the lowest common denominator. Like, uh... tossing your line out in The Quicksand, for example.

Shuck · **06-06-2015, 06:48 PM**

(06-06-2015, 09:01 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: yes please let us ask deeply personal questions from strangers on the internets.

no i won't be answering that.

especially since the context was explained in the other line you omitted. people ain't been around is all.

The specifics of why you want to feel wanted by a faceless mass of strangers on the internet is deeply personal?

Ok. We can roll with this. Remember when I was speaking about egos before? And how roleplayers are weird as hell with them? We're basically knee-deep in introverted egocentrists. Let's reflect on your own admission here:

You've stated you feel unwanted because people aren't around when you would like them to be. This is a pretty intense reaction.

(06-06-2015, 10:37 AM)Lilia Lia Wrote: I'm sorry, but isn't it perfectly natural to want to feel wanted?

To a degree. This next post sums it up pretty well.

(06-06-2015, 05:35 PM)Scorpio Shirica Wrote: I feel wanted by my friends and family, maybe a gaming guild I've been in for awhile for Star Citizen, but I don't understand wanting to be desired by a huge body of isolated authors that may very rarely interact with me. These sorts of communities seem to be resources, gateways, etc. to find more intimate communities with which to feel wanted. Maybe the linkshells or Free Companies may provide what you are looking for, but I find it difficult to understand wanting to be validated by so many people on a community site such as this.Â

Nothing against the wonderful people that populate this site, but there's far too many for me to think of personally investing in everyone here.

I would disagree that the people here are wonderful. I don't know them. But, for close, personal connections? It's totally natural to want to feel wanted and welcome. This is a crowd on a street, though. The majority of people don't know you, and don't care to.

See, I think these responses are awesome. We have ourselves a clearing picture of what the problem is: Some people seem to have it in their heads that these little hubs are like extended friend's lists and are their own great big families.

They're not. If looking for acceptance and validation is one of the motivators to registering a free account on a roleplaying hub, you are quite literally looking for love in all the wrong places, and are bound to find disappointment.

Second practical suggestion: Let's put up a disclaimer that says this horde of strangers is not your family, and that the typical connotations that exist in the term "community" just aren't here. We're not your neighbors. We're not your friends. We're not your surrogate family. We don't know eachother. Relationships are yours to forge, and with several layers of anonymity in the way, you may never hammer out a believable one.

Particularly not within one who's primary focus is grownups playing pretend.

Kellach Woods · **06-06-2015, 06:51 PM**

(06-06-2015, 06:48 PM)Shuck Wrote: The specifics of why you want to feel wanted by a faceless mass of strangers on the internet is deeply personal?

Ok. We can roll with this. Remember when I was speaking about egos before? And how roleplayers are weird as hell with them? We're basically knee-deep in introverted egocentrists. Let's reflect on your own admission here:

You've stated you feel unwanted because people aren't around when you would like them to be. This is a pretty intense reaction.

how is that "no i will not be answering that" or a proper reaction to "no i will not be answering that".

hey i know this guy wants me to stop talking about this, LET'S TALK EVEN MORE ABOUT THIS IN A PUBLIC CONTEXT!

but w/e you do you i suppose.

Shuck · **06-06-2015, 07:08 PM**

(06-06-2015, 06:51 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: how is that "no i will not be answering that" or a proper reaction to "no i will not be answering that".

hey i know this guy wants me to stop talking about this, LET'S TALK EVEN MORE ABOUT THIS IN A PUBLIC CONTEXT!

but w/e you do you i suppose.

Dude, any response you give me is information that proves pretty useful. I don't know what to tell you.

Cato · **06-08-2015, 05:29 AM**

I kind of sympathise with the idea of wanting to feel part of something. It's something that I think we all want to experience when it comes to our hobbies. Yes, nobody is obligated to interact with anybody else but it doesn't hurt to go that extra mile and try to be cordial, friendly and inclusive...within reason.

One of the main obstacles I've noticed - and been given reliable accounts of - is that quite a few people on this site send mixed messages. They'll rush to greet newcomers and be very vocal about how much they love the community and helping people out. They'll eagerly express a desire to be approached in-game for role-play and then when someone does approach them they're always busy, distracted or don't respond at all.

Sometimes the reasons for that are perfectly valid. Life happens after all and the real world is a priority! Yet if someone is new or shy and is unlucky enough to experience that multiple times when they've plucked up the courage to try and forge some connections then it should be obvious as to why they end up growing frustrated and taking their leave of the role-playing community.

On the other hand I think more people need to realise that the RPC is only part of the broader role-playing community. Quite a few role-players don't come here at all and forge all of their connections in-game.

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