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allgivenover · **06-07-2015, 10:51 PM**

(06-07-2015, 10:33 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: With what I know of RPers, all of this is very plausible enough that I'm surprised you haven't encountered it.

Yeah... not buying it.

LiadansWhisper · **06-07-2015, 10:58 PM**

(06-07-2015, 10:50 PM)Intaki Wrote:
(06-07-2015, 10:15 PM)allgivenover Wrote: Frankly it's coming across to me as a straw-man fabrication designed to paint those who frown on casual fantasia use as extremist elitists that will go out their way to bully other RPers.
It does seem like something extremist elitists would go out of their way to bully other RPers for.

Ehhhhhh. Â Probably, though I am of the opinion that people who would do something in the manner of what was described are simply bullies using "lore" to hide behind.

But, I mean, with the Blacklist button, you can pretty much eliminate all issue.

Kage · **06-07-2015, 11:34 PM**

I don't see the "sudden fantasia no consequences" RP.

Flickering Ember · **06-08-2015, 01:55 AM**

I'm pretty happy about the clarification on fantasia. Not because I want to take away people's RP toys but because fantasia potions are such a common and easy way to RP a character's appearance being dramatically changed. It does seem, as has been noted, consequence free. I hope folks will continue to race/gender change as they please IC. But I am also hoping that the clarification on fantasia potions will encourage folks to think of new and different ways on how such changes could have occurred. Ad Freelance Wizard has brought up, race/gender changes can be incredibly rewarding when there is a story involved with it.

I will still be accepting the canon of folks who RP fantasia potions. It's more fun for me to go with the flow rather than be contrary. I will be interested to see if there will be a change in the community for how race/gender changes are RPed out.

allgivenover · **06-08-2015, 05:18 PM**

(06-07-2015, 11:34 PM)Kage Wrote: I don't see the "sudden fantasia no consequences" RP.

I've only seen it a handful of times myself, thankfully.

One of those really was the "I was playing around in my alchemy lab and accidentally fantasia'd myself and now I'm a miqo'te girl oh nooooOOO" kind of situation.

I won't cite names or times so as to avoid being accused of slander or something ridiculous like that.

Zyrusticae · **06-08-2015, 05:55 PM**

A bigger part of the 'consequence free' Fantasia RP, as rare as it might be, that really bothers me is simply the displayed lack of respect for how much something like your appearance, your sex, your self-image, and even your internal bodily chemistry affects everything about who you are and how you interact with the world.

Part of it is likely simply sheer ignorance, possibly from a lack of perspective, education, experience, or a combination of all three, but seeing it playing out in front of me is just... well, it's not good for me, I'll put it like that. I feel like any event that life-changing should be played with the gravitas that such an event deserves, rather than played for cheap laughs or just because the writer got 'bored' (which, itself, is obviously another big red flag).

But of course, on the flip side, some of these stories can be really fascinating to read through. Like many things, it's a matter of execution. I don't hate the concept itself as much as the failure of those who use the concept to immensely juvenile ends.

(06-07-2015, 09:52 PM)hauntmedoitagain Wrote:
(06-07-2015, 04:40 PM)Intaki Wrote: I personally don't have any intention of taking an informal, paraphrased QA posted on Tumblr particularly seriously.

But maybe I'm just a party pooper.

I don't, either, especially when it contradicts a number of statements from people much higher up in rank.

Anything less than Yoshida or the Japanese writing team should be considered suspect, really. Doubly so when it comes to lunchtime musings posted on Tumblr of all places.

That is terribly disrespectful.

The English localization team is literally down the hall from the Japanese writing team, and Koji Fox himself can be considered a part of the core writing team as he is responsible for a large portion of the collaborative effort. For all intents and purposes, they are part of one writing team that includes the Japanese writers.

This is contrary to most other development houses where the localization team is a separate division or resides in another building or is even outsourced to another company entirely.

As far as I'm concerned, this is as good as Word of God and there's no point trying to deny its legitimacy.

Gone. · **06-08-2015, 07:10 PM**

Localization should not and does not have creative input on a video game whatsoever. It's the equivalent to asking someone in accounting for an opinion on a movie's theme over the director or scriptwriter. Simply put, it's irrelevant. Their job is to translate things and nothing more.

Honestly, the real insult is thinking someone 'down the hall' has a real say on the matter, especially when it's not revealed in any official manner. Someone's personal blog is not a legitimate source rather you agree or not.

Aduu Avagnar · **06-08-2015, 07:20 PM**

except Koji is a member of the localisation team and is essentially deputy lore monkey under the main guy....

he is not a member of the japanese writing team, but is pretty involved with the lore. Does that mean any of his works aren't valid?

allgivenover · **06-08-2015, 07:23 PM**

(06-08-2015, 07:10 PM)hauntmedoitagain Wrote: Localization should not and does not have creative input on a video game whatsoever. It's the equivalent to asking someone in accounting for an opinion on a movie's theme over the director or scriptwriter. Simply put, it's irrelevant. Their job is to translate things and nothing more.

Honestly, the real insult is thinking someone 'down the hall' has a real say on the matter, especially when it's not revealed in any official manner. Someone's personal blog is not a legitimate source rather you agree or not.

...you've had this exact conversation with others in prior threads, do you really just ignore what was stated by the devs themselves that the western team members have a hand in the lore and that they are not just a localization team?

Koji fuckin' wrote the lyrics to Dragonsong, and it's all lore stuff. Come on.

Flickering Ember · **06-08-2015, 07:45 PM**

(06-08-2015, 07:10 PM)hauntmedoitagain Wrote: Localization should not and does not have creative input on a video game whatsoever. It's the equivalent to asking someone in accounting for an opinion on a movie's theme over the director or scriptwriter. Simply put, it's irrelevant. Their job is to translate things and nothing more.

Honestly, the real insult is thinking someone 'down the hall' has a real say on the matter, especially when it's not revealed in any official manner. Someone's personal blog is not a legitimate source rather you agree or not.

Basically what folks are saying is, unlike most localization teams, the FFXIV localization teams are involved right from the get go of the writing, before it is even finished. They are allowed and often do step in to collaborate on what is written together. The localization and original story writing is a team effort and not something that is done entirely by the Japanese writers and then passed off to other languages.

Nako Vesh · **06-08-2015, 07:59 PM**

(06-08-2015, 07:45 PM)Flickering Ember Wrote:
(06-08-2015, 07:10 PM)hauntmedoitagain Wrote: Localization should not and does not have creative input on a video game whatsoever. It's the equivalent to asking someone in accounting for an opinion on a movie's theme over the director or scriptwriter. Simply put, it's irrelevant. Their job is to translate things and nothing more.

Honestly, the real insult is thinking someone 'down the hall' has a real say on the matter, especially when it's not revealed in any official manner. Someone's personal blog is not a legitimate source rather you agree or not.

Basically what folks are saying is, unlike most localization teams, the FFXIV localization teams are involved right from the get go of the writing, before it is even finished. They are allowed and often do step in to collaborate on what is written together. The localization and original story writing is a team effort and not something that is done entirely by the Japanese writers and then passed off to other languages.

Exactly this. They make a team effort for the game to be received by an international audience and they review eachothers work. The localization team ARE writers in their own right, something that should be blatantly obvious from interviews they've done. If you don't like the lore, that's one thing, but don't dismiss the localization team because the lore doesn't line up with your ideas on how you think it should be.

Kellach Woods · **06-08-2015, 08:13 PM**

(06-08-2015, 07:10 PM)hauntmedoitagain Wrote: Localization should not and does not have creative input on a video game whatsoever. It's the equivalent to asking someone in accounting for an opinion on a movie's theme over the director or scriptwriter. Simply put, it's irrelevant. Their job is to translate things and nothing more.

Localization actually doesn't just translate, if they translate at all. Localization fixes the mistakes a non-native speaker would commonly make or retreads the entire text for graphical implementations from different characters, etc.

E.G. : A textbox that fits the English phrase gets wrecked in the German translation because there's not supposed to be a line break and the German version requires one.

I've worked on ONE project where we technically had input over the game's lore because they asked us to fix the immensely broken English. Sadly, we were told to remove all of the original flavor from the game (to the point where I doubt all but one of my edits actually made it into the game proper) late in the project's cycle. It's funny how our localization team wanted the game to keep its flavor and kept rewriting stuff so that it remained with less text until they told us otherwise.

So yeah, respect your localization team. Most times, they care just as much as you do. Especially in this one since they're rolled into one office apparently.

Mercer · **06-08-2015, 08:13 PM**

It's best that Fantasia is not canon due to the ramifications it would have on the grander story. If this magical substance is so easy to get your hands on, what's stopping the military, The Empire, The Syndicate, Tempered or any of the other enemy groups from using it to blend in. What stops them from kidnapping a person from society and replicating their appearance and integrate them back into that person's life?

Hell, what stops the Syndicate from from kidnapping the Sultana and placing an exact replicate in her place? Makes a lot more sense to do that and give themselves full reign over the politics instead of the current plot.

Kellach Woods · **06-08-2015, 08:21 PM**

Used to be the actual text mentioned it was an excessively rare item likely to justify how you can only get it with RL money or after spending a month of cash on the game first time around.

Not saying the Syndicate/Monetarists couldn't get their hands on it, but just saying it would be impractical rather than impossible.

Mercer · **06-08-2015, 08:23 PM**

(06-08-2015, 08:21 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: Used to be the actual text mentioned it was an excessively rare item likely to justify how you can only get it with RL money or after spending a month of cash on the game first time around.

Not saying the Syndicate/Monetarists couldn't get their hands on it, but just saying it would be impractical rather than impossible.

Even so, if there is any group that would be able to get their hands on it it would be the Syndicate. If the rarity was true, that would only give them more reason to use it as there would be little suspicion that the Sultana would actually be missing.

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