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LadyRochester · **07-01-2015, 10:09 AM**

Hmm... Another minor pet peeve. People who take "you can do anything you'd like to my character." as a green light to completely fuck her up and get her into extremely hurtful and traumatizing situations, far too many people seem to be a tad sadistic if you let them. I am open minded and can take everything, but to this day I feel a bit uncomfortable with some of the things they have done t my character, as the psychological effect on her has been rather difficult and inconvenient to RP.

But that's not exactly the pet peeve. The pet peeve is that they then don't want to deal with the consequences ICly and avoid RP interactions in fear of this. IC actions --> IC consequences. You fuck up my character, expect her to attempt to strike back.

Steel Wolf · **07-01-2015, 10:59 AM**

My pet peeve is my own personal character indecision, which kinda leads me into a self-destructive little ourboros of self-doubt, shyness and uncertainty about character. I'm pretty sure it's caused me to strike as flaky and jerkassed to people who were otherwise welcoming and wonderful to the point of percieved ostracism, which further speeds up the spin cycle.

Hate that one.

Verad · **07-01-2015, 12:31 PM**

I have two pet peeves. The first of them is the word peeve. Sound it out. Say it until it loses meaning. It's an ugly, annoying word. Grates at the ear. Lends itself towards the nasal. I'm usually a fan of alliteration and all, but "pet peeve" itself is a real teeth-grinder.

The second is that RPers have all unconsciously adopted the stylistic quirks of late Victorian realists and modernists in their writing styles, at least as far as Strunk and White condensed and repackaged them in that awful style guide, and taken them as givens. No purple prose, be concise, don't tell the other character what yours is thinking in internal monologue, so on. These aren't universal truths of writing; they're culturally and historically-situated literary tastes which have somehow managed to live beyond their purpose for the aesthetic movements which spawned them. The sooner they die, or the sooner they are recognized as tastes and not as fundamentals, the better.

Blue · **07-01-2015, 12:32 PM**

(07-01-2015, 08:58 AM)Magellan Wrote: On the subject of IC romance, people who meet, fall in lovs, and get married within two weeks of knowing each other. What exactly have you built this 'marriage' on. ERP? It's one thing if your character is very impulsive. That'd make sense. But shouldn't characters typically show a little more restraint?

I echo this sentiment as well. When Eternal Bond came out, there was a burst of RP couples suddenly marrying left and right. I get it, it's new, it's cool, you want that chocobo as soon as possible but... do it OOC then. Or make it a set-up marriage. Romantic weddings are still pretty modern and take a lot of time together and much consideration. Set up weddings were quicker, because it was set up by your parents and very often with someone you hardly knew, so in that case it's justified. But I've yet to see a set up wedding happening on XIV RP. It's mostly romantic weddings, and those, to me, should take a good amount of time to be settled. Like, years, possibly.

EDIT: Possibly the most serious pet peeve I have in this, and the one I'm most afraid to share.... I really wish there was less discrimination towards us MSQ RPers. I never mention MSQ or being a WoL when in open RP, and yet I've had people walk away from me soon as they OOCly knew I'm in a MSQ RP LS. I just don't get it. It's as if I avoided ERPers in normal conversation roleplay. Just because they do ERP, doesn't mean they can't have normal RP with me. Likewise, just because I RP MSQ, doesn't mean I can't open RP without talking about the MSQ. But I guess people just don't want to take the effort to try and find out...

On a related note, I wish there were more MSQ RPers. There's still too few of them.

Arik · **07-01-2015, 01:21 PM**

(07-01-2015, 10:59 AM)Steel Wolf Wrote: My pet peeve is my own personal character indecision, which kinda leads me into a self-destructive little ourboros of self-doubt, shyness and uncertainty about character. I'm pretty sure it's caused me to strike as flaky and jerkassed to people who were otherwise welcoming and wonderful to the point of percieved ostracism, which further speeds up the spin cycle.

Hate that one.

^ This. So much, this.

My primary RP pet peeve is, most likely, Â myself. I don't even want to think about how many potentially awesome connections and new RP partners I could've made in all my years RPing if only I hadn't been so paranoid and otherwise had myself convinced that I was being a nuisance. I'm sure to some people I must come off as an elitist, clique-ish jerk because of how often I wind up sticking with people I already know, twiddling my thumbs and waiting (hoping) other people would approach me for RP. I realize it's totally counter-intuitive to finding new RP, it's best to be proactive, but yet I have to fight this constant wall in my brain that tells me that if I were to do so, I'd wind up just being obnoxious. |:

Damn you psychological walls. I'll tear you down-- Some day.

Nebbs · **07-01-2015, 01:25 PM**

That we have 5 pages of peeves?

By that I mean that when people see what is not there in the people they RP with, they miss what is there. So I choose peoples' pet peeves, my own included.

The pint glass is not half empty or full, it is just closer to your next pint.

Caspar · **07-01-2015, 04:19 PM**

(07-01-2015, 12:31 PM)Verad Wrote: I have two pet peeves. The first of them is the word peeve. Sound it out. Say it until it loses meaning. It's an ugly, annoying word. Grates at the ear. Lends itself towards the nasal. I'm usually a fan of alliteration and all, but "pet peeve" itself is a real teeth-grinder.

The second is that RPers have all unconsciously adopted the stylistic quirks of late Victorian realists and modernists in their writing styles, at least as far as Strunk and White condensed and repackaged them in that awful style guide, and taken them as givens. No purple prose, be concise, don't tell the other character what yours is thinking in internal monologue, so on. These aren't universal truths of writing; they're culturally and historically-situated literary tastes which have somehow managed to live beyond their purpose for the aesthetic movements which spawned them. The sooner they die, or the sooner they are recognized as tastes and not as fundamentals, the better.

It's been a while since uni. Do your refer to grammatical control or descriptive style? I thought purple prose was overly descriptive and figurative, rather than concise and literal as I thought Realism implied.

Hammersmith · **07-01-2015, 04:33 PM**

(07-01-2015, 12:31 PM)Verad Wrote: No purple prose, be concise, don't tell the other character what yours is thinking in internal monologue, so on. These aren't universal truths of writing; they're culturally and historically-situated literary tastes which have somehow managed to live beyond their purpose for the aesthetic movements which spawned them. The sooner they die, or the sooner they are recognized as tastes and not as fundamentals, the better.

There's a reason this style sticks as a default. Â Purple prose takes a lot of time to write, and inflates an RP time of say, 30 minutes, to an hour to hours depending on how many people are getting fancy with their wording.Â

Internal monologues are normally avoided because, well, RP is a group effort, a conversation in process, and you don't NORMALLY see what's going on inside someones head. Â You see their face, their body language, you hear their voice. Â You don't know that that bundle of flowers reminded our protagonist that he needs to visit his mother, she's been ill lately.

The style is default BECAUSE it's practical and concise. Â It also has it's place, and YOU ARE FREE TO VIOLATE it, but keep in mind time constraints because this kind of writing and metaphysical engagement hooks more time onto the already length RP process.

Edit: As you might tell, Extreme Length Typing Roleplay when I'm time constrained is a concern of mine. ;_;

Verad · **07-01-2015, 04:40 PM**

(07-01-2015, 04:33 PM)Hammersmith Wrote: There's a reason this style sticks as a default. Â Purple prose takes a lot of time to write, and inflates an RP time of say, 30 minutes, to an hour to hours depending on how many people are getting fancy with their wording.Â

Internal monologues are normally avoided because, well, RP is a group effort, a conversation in process, and you don't NORMALLY see what's going on inside someones head. Â You see their face, their body language, you hear their voice. Â You don't know that that bundle of flowers reminded our protagonist that he needs to visit his mother, she's been ill lately.

The style is default BECAUSE it's practical and concise. Â It also has it's place, and YOU ARE FREE TO VIOLATE it, but keep in mind time constraints because this kind of writing and metaphysical engagement hooks more time onto the already length RP process.

Writing quickly in any form takes practice. The style of the prose doesn't much matter in this regard - a novice roleplayer is going to struggle with post-length whether they're writing in strict, just-the-facts modernism or not.

As for internal monologues and being unable to see what's going on in somebody's head, well, this is alsoÂ part of the aesthetic of the literary realists and the modernists, and your justification is their justification. It is arguing that the goal is the most accurate possible representation of the real. This is not my goal. I have a different one, and it benefits more from internal monologue and narrative voice than it does from keeping my character's emotional cards close to their chest.

To suggest I am free to "violate" this practice suggests that there is something wrong in the act of deviating from it. Rather, I ignore it.

Verad · **07-01-2015, 04:44 PM**

(07-01-2015, 04:19 PM)Caspar Wrote: It's been a while since uni. Do your refer to grammatical control or descriptive style? I thought purple prose was overly descriptive and figurative, rather than concise and literal as I thought Realism implied.

Descriptive more than grammatical control. Henry James is one of the foremost literary realists, and his sentences are grammatical torture. That's more the result of him trying to avoid ever suggesting a hint of anything like a third-party narrator describing events as they occur, though.

Caspar · **07-01-2015, 04:44 PM**

(07-01-2015, 04:40 PM)Verad Wrote:
(07-01-2015, 04:33 PM)Hammersmith Wrote: There's a reason this style sticks as a default. Â Purple prose takes a lot of time to write, and inflates an RP time of say, 30 minutes, to an hour to hours depending on how many people are getting fancy with their wording.Â

Internal monologues are normally avoided because, well, RP is a group effort, a conversation in process, and you don't NORMALLY see what's going on inside someones head. Â You see their face, their body language, you hear their voice. Â You don't know that that bundle of flowers reminded our protagonist that he needs to visit his mother, she's been ill lately.

The style is default BECAUSE it's practical and concise. Â It also has it's place, and YOU ARE FREE TO VIOLATE it, but keep in mind time constraints because this kind of writing and metaphysical engagement hooks more time onto the already length RP process.

Writing quickly in any form takes practice. The style of the prose doesn't much matter in this regard - a novice roleplayer is going to struggle with post-length whether they're writing in strict, just-the-facts modernism or not.

As for internal monologues and being unable to see what's going on in somebody's head, well, this is alsoÂ part of the aesthetic of the literary realists and the modernists, and your justification is their justification. It is arguing that the goal is the most accurate possible representation of the real. This is not my goal. I have a different one, and it benefits more from internal monologue and narrative voice than it does from keeping my character's emotional cards close to their chest.

To suggest I am free to "violate" this practice suggests that there is something wrong in the act of deviating from it. Rather, I ignore it.

I guess your previous post confused me. You advocate visible internal monologue or wish to move away from it? Touchscreen typing is hard, ugh.

Verad · **07-01-2015, 04:49 PM**

(07-01-2015, 04:44 PM)Caspar Wrote: I guess your previous post confused me. You advocate visible internal monologue or wish to move away from it? Touchscreen typing is hard, ugh.

I would love visible internal monologue. I enjoy narrative asides, meditations on things that are unrelated directly but nevertheless thematically related to the action at hand, and other such markers that break the illusion that we are characters in a real world. In this regard I admit I'm a bit reactionary because the realists and modernists were a break away from this sort of thing.

On the other hand, I'd also thrill to see anybody attempting postmodern writing aesthetics in RP. Somebody attempting Burroughs' cut-up style in roleplay, however successful, would have my respect, as would anybody who figured out how to take House of LeavesÂ and turn that into a character. Either possibility or others I haven't considered would be welcome.

Important note:Â This is not to say I won't play with people who don't do these sorts of things, and I do so with some frequency. I've long-since had to reconcile myself with the fact that most people working in genre writing like fantasy RP are a bit stuck in this particular style, in part because they're more interested in content than aesthetic. That's why it's a peeve and not a dealbreaker.

Tiergan · **07-01-2015, 05:09 PM**

(07-01-2015, 04:49 PM)Verad Wrote:
(07-01-2015, 04:44 PM)Caspar Wrote: I guess your previous post confused me. You advocate visible internal monologue or wish to move away from it? Touchscreen typing is hard, ugh.

I would love visible internal monologue. I enjoy narrative asides, meditations on things that are unrelated directly but nevertheless thematically related to the action at hand, and other such markers that break the illusion that we are characters in a real world. In this regard I admit I'm a bit reactionary because the realists and modernists were a break away from this sort of thing.

On the other hand, I'd also thrill to see anybody attempting postmodern writing aesthetics in RP. Somebody attempting Burroughs' cut-up style in roleplay, however successful, would have my respect, as would anybody who figured out how to take House of LeavesÂ and turn that into a character. Either possibility or others I haven't considered would be welcome.

Important note:Â This is not to say I won't play with people who don't do these sorts of things, and I do so with some frequency. I've long-since had to reconcile myself with the fact that most people working in genre writing like fantasy RP are a bit stuck in this particular style, in part because they're more interested in content than aesthetic. That's why it's a peeve and not a dealbreaker.

I am a completely uneducated dork and I have no idea what kinds of writing styles you're thinking of when you mention specific authors or the styles of certain eras. I'm super curious on what you're talking about though just from a 'how majorly different are those styles of writing" stand point. Could you PM me examples? If it's too much of a hassle, it's okay. o/

allgivenover · **07-01-2015, 05:43 PM**

Good ones posted already, more than once.

Here's one, roleplayers who are drama "arsonists". They log on every night with a new completely dramatic situation that demands everyone's attention RIGHT NOW, over and over again. Until nothing is going on except whatever tragedy is going on with that person in that given moment. They put their character in life threatening danger over and over again to remain the "star of the show". First night it's a broken arm, next they started a fight that nearly got them killed, a third they're in trouble for stealing the Sultana's nightcap and need you to break them out, and so on and so forth.

Another, roleplayers I call "appropriaters". They never noticed how interesting a certain part of the lore could be in roleplay until they see you using it for your character. Suddenly they're incorporating the same thing into their own character, except there's is way more better than yours at it. They don't just interpret the will of elementals, elementals follow them around and chat about the weather with them, or intervene to protect them from harm, leaving something you've been roleplaying a year as an insignificant footnote.

I guess my "pet peeve" can be summed up as selfish people who role play.

Marisa · **07-01-2015, 05:52 PM**

As an Ishgardian RPer, there are a few tropes that, while there is nothing wrong with them by themselves, they've become so common as to be painfully cliche. In my opinion, anyway.Â

Basically it will go something like this: Paco Taco was born to an Ishgardian noble family where he learned to read, have infinite wealth, be an azure dragoon, and also be super edgy. After having a family member accused of heresy, while simultaneously failing on a mission of utmost import, Paco was sentenced by the Holy See to make the decision to put himself in self-exile. Normally they'd just have you hanged or push you off a cliff, but Paco was too important! Paco then joined a mercenary company which just happened to work for the Holy See, performing missions that mostly involve sitting in the Quicksand. The mercenary group had great influence over Ishgard, giving all of the benefits of being a Temple Knight but with 20x the pay and 0 of the rules. But then Vishap attacked, and the mercenary company was called upon to slay the dragon! Yet Paco Taco didn't want to move forward in the timeline yet, so he used his infinite wizard magic to freeze time until 4 weeks later when he organized an FC even to run Steps of Faith and claim that yes, it was the great Paco who had slain that dragon. As such, Paco was welcomed back into Ishgard with open arms, with no regard for his past indiscretions. And now he's both a mercenary and a temple knight!Â

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'll still play with you even if a bunch of those things apply to you. I'm not upset about it or anything. Just know that when you tell me you're an Ishgardian exile, I'm always thinking, "Man, how does anyone still live in Ishgard when 99% of the population gets exiled every day?"

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