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allgivenover · **07-04-2013, 06:39 PM**

Characters from an actually good Final Fantasy game will be something to look forward too! Tongue

Ashren Dotharl · **07-04-2013, 06:43 PM**

(07-04-2013, 06:39 PM)allgivenover Wrote: Characters from an actually good Final Fantasy game will be something to look forward too!

I think I must be the only person from the western market who actually liked FFXIII.

Varus · **07-04-2013, 06:46 PM**

(07-04-2013, 06:43 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote: I think I must be the only person from the western market who actually liked FFXIII.

I'll join you.

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Nel Celestine · **07-04-2013, 06:48 PM**

doubtful considering 13-2 was released and soon LR will be released here.Â The market is there and there are people that enjoyed it enough to merit continuing it.Â It's not for everyone but doesn't mean it should be hated for that.

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Allow me to use an (noticeably) older example.Â

Fans love Optimus Prime.Â He's an Icon.Â Well known in the Transformers community. Then we have Rodimus (Hot Rod) Prime who takes his place after his death in the movie.Â There was MASSIVE backlash over this.Â People screamed to the high heavens (And this was BEFORE the internet) to the point where Hasbro changed the script for the GI JOE movie where they planned to kill Duke off.Â However, while there are quite a number of people who HATE Rodimus and blame him for all of his mistakes and failings, he is also a character who grows, changes and comes to accept his role as leader.Â As such, he has some very loyal fans.

So, my point is, just because a LOT of people dislike something, does not always mean it's terrible.

Ashren Dotharl · **07-04-2013, 06:56 PM**

I actually don't even completely understand WHY people disliked it. I mean, it had everything that should have made a good game. Interesting revisions of old monsters, gunblades, cute girls, a token black guy, TRANSFORMERS, a baby chocobo, the Soul Calibur, amazing visuals, a decent story, tons of back story and information about the world right in the game.

The only thing I couldn't stand about it was Hope, god that kid annoyed me. I never played FFXIII-2 unfortunately, was too broke when it came out and never bothered to go back and get it when I had the money, though now I kind of want to play it with all this talk about FFXIII.

Also taken from the Anti-Lightning thread on the beta forums.

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just to illustrate that Lighting wasn't the first, and won't be the last cameo we see.

Varus · **07-04-2013, 07:01 PM**

(07-04-2013, 06:56 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote: it had everything that should have made a good game. Interesting revisions of old monsters, gunblades, cute girls, a token black guy, TRANSFORMERS, a baby chocobo, the Soul Calibur, amazing visuals, a decent story

Truth.

Aysun · **07-04-2013, 07:03 PM**

(07-04-2013, 06:56 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote: I actually don't even completely understand WHY people disliked it. I mean, it had everything that should have made a good game. Interesting revisions of old monsters, gunblades, cute girls, a token black guy, TRANSFORMERS, a baby chocobo, the Soul Calibur, amazing visuals, a decent story, tons of back story and information about the world right in the game.

The only thing I couldn't stand about it was Hope, god that kid annoyed me. I never played FFXIII-2 unfortunately, was too broke when it came out and never bothered to go back and get it when I had the money, though now I kind of want to play it with all this talk about FFXIII.

Also taken from the Anti-Lightning thread on the beta forums.

just to illustrate that Lighting wasn't the first, and won't be the last cameo we see.

Cameo =/= interdimensional travel

Tivahlt · **07-04-2013, 07:04 PM**

(07-04-2013, 06:56 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote: I actually don't even completely understand WHY people disliked it. I mean, it had everything that should have made a good game. Interesting revisions of old monsters, gunblades, cute girls, a token black guy, TRANSFORMERS, a baby chocobo, the Soul Calibur, amazing visuals, a decent story, tons of back story and information about the world right in the game.

The only thing I couldn't stand about it was Hope, god that kid annoyed me. I never played FFXIII-2 unfortunately, was too broke when it came out and never bothered to go back and get it when I had the money, though now I kind of want to play it with all this talk about FFXIII.

You are not alone in the FXIII love. I think most people disliked the first few hours (ERMAHGERD HALLWAYS) and quit before they got to the actual meat of the story (which I will admit, is a very bad design flaw. I'm not a full-fledged game designer yet and even I know that was a bad call on SE's part) but the graphic designs, the character development, and the amount of detail put into the world and its lore was fantastic.

Also, not alone on the Hope hate.

I actually do have XIII-2, but I still haven't played it...the fact that I took it out of the wrapping at some point is a miracle in itself.

Ashren Dotharl · **07-04-2013, 07:10 PM**

(07-04-2013, 07:03 PM)Aysun Wrote: Cameo =/= interdimensional travel

Says who? Where is it written that a cameo has to go by some preset criteria that can't involve interdimensional travel? Perhaps it doesn't suit your tastes that they chose to have the REAL Lightning cameo into the game, rather than just a Hyur with her likeness appearing, but that doesn't make it any less of a cameo. Hell, even Yoshi-P exists in the game in the form of the Wandering Minstrel.

Edit: Also, maybe Lightning just uses the Duty Finder to join Eorzea? Tongue

MrHeat · **07-04-2013, 07:14 PM**

(07-04-2013, 06:48 PM)Nel Celestine Wrote: doubtful considering 13-2 was released and soon LR will be released here.Â The market is there and there are people that enjoyed it enough to merit continuing it.Â It's not for everyone but doesn't mean it should be hated for that.

Allow me to use an (noticeably) older example.Â

Fans love Optimus Prime.Â He's an Icon.Â Well known in the Transformers community. Then we have Rodimus (Hot Rod) Prime who takes his place after his death in the movie.Â There was MASSIVE backlash over this.Â People screamed to the high heavens (And this was BEFORE the internet) to the point where Hasbro changed the script for the GI JOE movie where they planned to kill Duke off.Â However, while there are quite a number of people who HATE Rodimus and blame him for all of his mistakes and failings, he is also a character who grows, changes and comes to accept his role as leader.Â As such, he has some very loyal fans.

So, my point is, just because a LOT of people dislike something, does not always mean it's terrible.

You just became epic awesome to me. Huge transformers fan. I might be one of the few that likes Starscream more then optimus prime.

Aysun · **07-04-2013, 07:16 PM**

(07-04-2013, 07:10 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote:
(07-04-2013, 07:03 PM)Aysun Wrote: Cameo =/= interdimensional travel

Says who? Where is it written that a cameo has to go by some preset criteria that can't involve interdimensional travel? Perhaps it doesn't suit your tastes that they chose to have the REAL Lightning cameo into the game, rather than just a Hyur with her likeness appearing, but that doesn't make it any less of a cameo. Hell, even Yoshi-P exists in the game in the form of the Wandering Minstrel.

Edit: Also, maybe Lightning just uses the Duty Finder to join Eorzea?

To me it isn't. xD But different definitions exist. I'd just really much prefer they don't pull her from her universe and stick her in this one for promotion's sake. x_x

Mtoto Wamoto · **07-04-2013, 07:22 PM**

(07-04-2013, 06:28 PM)Tyonis Wrote:
(07-04-2013, 06:22 PM)Mtoto Wamoto Wrote: Well, since no one has called it... Dibs on RPing as Lightning's slutty clone.

Mtoto with pink hair and a ponytail.

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You already know! Haha

John Spiegel · **07-04-2013, 07:23 PM**

(07-04-2013, 07:10 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote:
(07-04-2013, 07:03 PM)Aysun Wrote: Cameo =/= interdimensional travel

Says who? Where is it written that a cameo has to go by some preset criteria that can't involve interdimensional travel? Perhaps it doesn't suit your tastes that they chose to have the REAL Lightning cameo into the game, rather than just a Hyur with her likeness appearing, but that doesn't make it any less of a cameo. Hell, even Yoshi-P exists in the game in the form of the Wandering Minstrel.

What Aysun's saying is that she doesn't want to see every FF character ever interdimensionally travel to this world. She's not saying that eastereggs/nods to past games and such are bad. I'm with Aysun, having it in the lore (not just a silly event) that Cloud Strife is in this world doing Cloud things is just lame.Â

LET'S BRING ALL THE STRONGEST FF CHARACTERS EVER TO THIS WORLD!Â

Yawn~Â

Bring their costumes?Â

Yeah! That's cool. Big Grin

Ashren Dotharl · **07-04-2013, 07:25 PM**

(07-04-2013, 07:16 PM)Aysun Wrote: To me it isn't. xD But different definitions exist. I'd just really much prefer they don't pull her from her universe and stick her in this one for promotion's sake. x_x

So to be clear, does that mean that the existence of Gilgamesh, Xande, and the Cloud of Darkness, who are all supposedly interdimensionally entering Eorzea as well, bother you too?

As a side note, I may be in the minority here but would anyone else rather have got Caius' outfit instead of Snow's for the male armor?

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Xenedra · **07-04-2013, 07:26 PM**

Monsters and place names have always been recycled and reused in FFs, reuse of characters is much more rare (though definitely done before, as a few people have pointed out). To me seeing monsters and places from other Final Fantasies does not indicate there was already dimensional hopping, it's just reuse like we've seen in so many predecessors. ARE there indicators of dimensional hopping in the game already? Yes, I can think of at least one in the Cavernous Maws/Atomos. They look juuust like they did in XI, but if you'll recall, it took a special snowflake character with a mystically obtained "pure white feather" to be able to hop through and save the past and/or Abyssea. As far as I recall, this prestige was limited to you and a few others only (including storyline NPCs) according to the storyline (obviously everyone actually got to do it : P). Of course, that's XI and methods of use may be different in XIV, but the point of all that was to demonstrate the limited nature of these things. I haven't seen any pure white feathers yet~

All that in mind, my personal gripe with this is that I don't want a million dimensional hopping RPers coming in claiming they're from Vana'diel, or the Firefly universe or New York, Earth. Crossovers are a cute amusement, I admit, but they always feel very non-canonical to me. Yes, just to me, it's just my opinion : P. I'll also admit that seeing characters from other Final Fantasies doesn't really bother me TERRIBLY because supposedly it all in the same universe anyway. I'm just worried this is going to be a gateway drug for over the top, unbelievable characters from ridiculousville. Honestly, if people can avoid this, my worries are pretty much moot.

I also don't mind this event/quest line and I plan to enjoy it. I just consider it more for fan-service and fun than something that ought to be considered main storyline. Like I said earlier, I hope to see costumes from other games; ones I actually enjoyed : P. I am not going to pass terrible judgement D:! on anyone who chooses to consider the event canon or dimension hop, though. I realize plenty of people have a different viewpoint than I do and none is necessarily more right than the other. Ultimately, a quality character is a quality character and even if I think one aspect of your character is strange, it doesn't mean I can't enjoy RP with you.

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